Trent, Salah and VVD

Fundamentally, Trent will have looked at the deal Madrid did for Mbappe, where they basically recycled the transfer fee they would have paid into huge signing-on fees he wouldn't have got. He'll have thought that he'd like some of that. He might even have hoped he'd get it from Liverpool, but that wasn't going to happen so off he goes.
He won't be the last. This is going to be a trend, and the odd one who ends up on the scrap heap because he does his ACL before he signs a pre-contract isn't going to change that. Frankly I'm amazed it's taken this long. Ballack made a good living out of it.
So what are we going to do? Sit on the moral high ground and accuse Madrid of being cunts and insist that we wouldn't do that sort of thing?
James Milner. Joel Matip. Markus Babbel. To name but three. Not on the same level as Trent, but we still shafted their old clubs (although who cares about shafting City and Bayen) and all of them will have been on inflated wages as a result. Free transfers end up costing the same, and they're harder to back out of when they go wrong as it's hard to shift guys on inflated wages (Joe Cole, for example).
And we've shafted lower league teams and newly relegated-ones by taking their best players on reduced fees, or we've exploited release clauses, and patted ourselves on the back for "seizing an opportunity". We only managed to sign Mo because Roma had to trigger a profit to avoid FFP penalties.
Sorry lads, capitalism rules football. Not saying it's right (it isn't) but that's the way it is. Full disclosure, I can't really blame Trent for having his head turned, but it's especially sad when it's a local kid who was a fan.
You need to be ruthless to win at transfers - sign players going out of contract, exploit release fees, prey on vulnerable clubs, pull out the stops to sell those on our own books who are running their deals down. More churn is the way to go.
I don't like it any more than you do.

I don't think anyone's blaming Real Madrid. Nobody has any expectations of REAL MADRID, of all clubs. The issue is whether it's decent of Trent to have followed the money to the exclusion of every finer consideration.
 
Well, we all know Frimpong’s clause now and his wages would dwarf what Trent was asking.

Curveball granted, but Djed Spence looks like he’s on a steeper trajectory than a year or so ago.
 
I don't think anyone is pissed at Real Madrid in all honesty. If we had gotten a fee for Trent I wouldn't really care whatsoever if he wants to leave. Its just that we as a club, and self sufficient as well, will miss out on 100 mill £.
That would have been very handy when rebuilding this team.
 
I think he's very much softened the blow by becoming a bit of a luxury player.

We will absolutely miss his delivery, but even that hasn't been as good this year.

What's the sales pitch by slot though. Stay for my rebuild? Play the same position you thought you outgrew, that features far far less than it used to under my predecessor?

I can't think of a single valid football reason why he should stay. It's just loyalty/sentiment. And again, if what we are agrieved about is money, that's not love.

Football-wise, he really suits Madrid more. The passes we derisively call Hollywood balls will turn into an unstoppable weapon once Mbappe and Vini Jr. are on the receiving end - they will play to each other’s strengths. And arguably Madrid is also better equipped than us to cover Trent’s weaknesses, both in terms of having a good collection of versatile, defensively-oriented players (Valverde, Tchouameni, Camavinga etc) and playing in a league where most opponents will not have a go at them in quite the same way Premier League teams do.

So yeah, sentiment aside it’s an easy and right decision for him.
 
Football-wise, he really suits Madrid more. The passes we derisively call Hollywood balls will turn into an unstoppable weapon once Mbappe and Vini Jr. are on the receiving end - they will play to each other’s strength. And arguably Madrid is also better equipped than us to cover Trent’s weaknesses, both in terms of having a good collection of versatile, defensively-oriented players (Valverde, Tchouameni, Camavinga etc) and playing in a league where most opponents will not have a go at them in quite the same way Premier League teams do.

So yeah, sentiment aside it’s an easy and right decision for him.

Leaving for free shouldn't be an easy decision for him.
 
Not sure why people label him a luxury player when he has created the 6th most big chances in the league and 9th most key passes. From right back. With all his defensive frailties he's still a major part of our build up and ability to counter attack. That will have to be replaced.
because he is a defender that does not defend!
 
I find this to be a funny logical puzzle.

Some seem to be concerned that we can't in the aggregate improve our right side which has been our glaring defensive weakness for years.

The reason why would be that you don't believe we will make the necessary investment and buy players of the required level to rebuild the team.

But you want Trent to stay, because he will win stuff with us?

Or no, you're fine with him leaving but he should have made sure to look out for someone else's best interests on the way out?
 
I’m sure he’ll leave a big donation for charity or something like that. It’s not the player’s responsibility to ensure their club get a fee.

His brother will get that big donation. No, but you can't say that Trent has handled this well. But I'd say it shows your character going out like this from the club that has given you everything from the age of 6.

The club is obviously to blame for letting the contract run down like this, no doubt.
 
How many players are above Trent that we would be annoyed at losing before him?

Allison
Konate
Virg
Macca
Gravenberch
Salah

I think I'll only be pissed if we have a shit summer and don't capitalize on our strong position. I'm pretty sure every Liverpool fan has at some point got so pissed with Trent that they would think we could find either a better player or one more suited to what we need in our team. Personally I think Salah has struggled a lot from a lack of overlap from the fullback
 
I find this to be a funny logical puzzle.

Some seem to be concerned that we can't in the aggregate improve our right side which has been our glaring defensive weakness for years.

The reason why would be that you don't believe we will make the necessary investment and buy players of the required level to rebuild the team.

But you want Trent to stay, because he will win stuff with us?

Or no, you're fine with him leaving but he should have made sure to look out for someone else's best interests on the way out?

It equally puzzling that some don't see that we have a major job on our hands to replace the creative outlet we've had from right back. Look at Arsenal and their focus on being strong defensively. Its turned them into a stale non creative force that struggle to create chances.

If we can find the right players and if Slot can adjust our tactics so the creative output is replaced then all will be good. But we have a major job on our hands. For the record I think we can do it.

And yes, Trent leaving for a fee would have made this all much better. Like signing an extension with a release clause.
Thats more on the club though, not the player.
 
We could have got 100m for Trent last summer. That would have helped a significant rebuild to our team, a team he has only given an 'ok' contribution to this season. That is my only gripe. I didn't want him to extend, because he doesn't want to be a RB and isn't good enough to be a midfielder in a PL title challenging team.
 
How many players are above Trent that we would be annoyed at losing before him?

Allison
Konate
Virg
Macca
Gravenberch
Salah

I think I'll only be pissed if we have a shit summer and don't capitalize on our strong position. I'm pretty sure every Liverpool fan has at some point got so pissed with Trent that they would think we could find either a better player or one more suited to what we need in our team. Personally I think Salah has struggled a lot from a lack of overlap from the fullback

To be fair, Salah has hardly “struggled for form” this season…
 
We could have got 100m for Trent last summer. That would have helped a significant rebuild to our team, a team he has only given an 'ok' contribution to this season. That is my only gripe. I didn't want him to extend, because he doesn't want to be a RB and isn't good enough to be a midfielder in a PL title challenging team.

Don’t think we could get 100M in all honesty - Madrid would never have paid this kind of money for him (I doubt they would go above 50M - they have plenty of quality RBs to choose from) and Trent would not want to go to another team that might have offered more.

What does irritate me is the Jude-Trent “bromance” - because it was supposed to be the other way around, with Jude coming here to play with Trent. In the end I’m more than OK with having Szobo and Gravenberch for the same money, but it still grates me a little.
 
We could have got 100m for Trent last summer. That would have helped a significant rebuild to our team, a team he has only given an 'ok' contribution to this season. That is my only gripe. I didn't want him to extend, because he doesn't want to be a RB and isn't good enough to be a midfielder in a PL title challenging team.

Doubt it as Real had most of their funds tied up in the Mbappe deal last summer. There will in no doubt be a lot of stories that surface from both sides now regarding the last 12 months.

Will be funny if he has been promised to play in midfield in Madrid, and Valverde will continue to play at RB.
 
Don’t think we could get 100M in all honesty - Madrid would never have paid this kind of money for him (I doubt they would go above 50M - they have plenty of RBs to choose from) and Trent would not want to go to another team that might have offered more.

They were also balls deep in the Mbappe transfer.
 
No doubt Madrid would have low-balled at every point. The idea was always to get him on a free.

I suspect Trent and his team instructed some bids for PR purposes. Makes both Real/Trent look better if there was some dialogue Liverpool rejected.
 
Doubt it as Real had most of their funds tied up in the Mbappe deal last summer. There will in no doubt be a lot of stories that surface from both sides now regarding the last 12 months.

Will be funny if he has been promised to play in midfield in Madrid, and Valverde will continue to play at RB.
Given how well Valverde is doing at RB, would anyone reconsider my idea about Szoboszlai as a Trent replacement? Especially if we buy a shit-hot #10 in the summer.
 
I don't think anyone's blaming Real Madrid. Nobody has any expectations of REAL MADRID, of all clubs. The issue is whether it's decent of Trent to have followed the money to the exclusion of every finer consideration.
Like I said, especially sad when it's a local lad and a fan, but I don't blame him. I don't think it's reasonable to expect any player to stay at the club forever (or at least until we don't want him any more) just because he was born locally. And I suspect the deal with Madrid was that they weren't going to pay a market rate fee for him AND top wages. They may have told him he came on a free / negligible fee or not at all.
 
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