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Trent, Salah and VVD

No I said that he left as a hero.
He gave it his all and almost dragged us to the title himself.
Yes, he caused trouble and wanted to leave before but did walk around on the pitch and look disinterested like Trent who obviously wants to leave?
Defo not right way to leave in my view, left as a disgrace after a great season. Basically he started his final season with a long suspension, and if he had stayed would have been same again next season but a longer one (2014-15). That was a large reason why he was sold. Even if Trent left now, can’t level the same sort of exit with Trent.
 
Defo not right way to leave in my view, left as a disgrace after a great season. Basically he started his final season with a long suspension, and if he had stayed would have been same again next season but a longer one (2014-15). That was a large reason why he was sold. Even if Trent left now, can’t level the same sort of exit with Trent.
Would you say the same if we beat Chelsea and Palace and won the league that season?
 
Would you say the same if we beat Chelsea and Palace and won the league that season?
Yes, and he played in both so not like he was suspended as per usual and unable to impact the games.
So just for perspective, if he had stayed next season, he would have missed over likely 30 league games in 4 seasons with just suspension for being twat. I haven’t been this offended since Wed’s result 🙂
 
Yes, and he played in both so not like he was suspended as per usual and unable to impact the games.
So just for perspective, if he had stayed next season, he would have missed over likely 30 league games in 4 seasons with just suspension for being twat. I haven’t been this offended since Wed’s result 🙂
Eh, he scored against Palace?
 
No I said that he left as a hero.
He gave it his all and almost dragged us to the title himself.
Yes, he caused trouble and wanted to leave before but did he walk around on the pitch and look disinterested like Trent who obviously wants to leave?

No, and he didn't really "cause trouble" over the Arsenal business if it comes to that. Admittedly he angled for a move but, once it was made clear that he was going nowhere at that time, he knuckled back down again and produced the same quality as previously.
 
He's our second best player this season according to fotmob ratings, and been player of the match twice, same as Gakpo, Diaz which is more than everyone except Salah.
More than fair. I've no doubt he's played better than I remember this year.
 
I think I'll have to be a late joiner to the TAA critics club. I've always been a big fan and willing to forgive his weaknesses due to all the other things he brings to the team. But the great games and little moments of quality are decreasing in frequency and if we're all being honest - which most are - he's had a stinker of a season.

It's not a question of talent so you have to question why his form has been so poor (or up/down if we're being kind). I watch his performances and wonder whether Real have at any point questioned their interest.
 
That lean in on a player who goes past him is so lazy. Just try to keep with your man Trent.

He got fleeced so many times today
 
He can't defend 1 on 1s, a bit like how I can't climb mount everest or fly to the moon. What are we doing here? We all knew what was coming before kick off, hoping for anything else is an utter waste of time.
 
He did but still drew, did nothing against Chelsea. You could say, early PL games that season when we drew against Swansea cost us the league when he was suspended😉
In fact, I think he tried to do too much against Chelsea and forgot he had 10 teammates. Chelsea just doubled him and completely nullified him.
 
He was ridiculous tonight. At one point, the ball was loose down our left hand side, with Savinho sprinting for it, and Van Dijk strolled over in bathrobe, slippers and a cigar in his mouth and still beat him to it.

I love his face in those moments… it’s like one of pure incredulous annoyance that he’s had to set the paper down while reading his favourite column and get up of his lounger to answer some Jehovah’s Witnesses knocking on the front door.
 
That was probably the best captains performance I’ve seen from Virgil. He looked confident and in control throughout.

Right from the off he was on our players. Look at Ali’s punch from their first corner. He was sold catch them. Second time Ali caught it.

Later on he was instructing Trent rather than screaming or giving him death stares. Pretty much doing it to everyone.

We never let it turn to chaos or become emotional.

I think he’s signed this past week. I also believe he gave the team, including himself, a right bollocking after Villa.
 
Is there a possibility we've promised better deals at the end of the season based on success? Something like "this is our best offer at the current time, but wait it out and win the league and CL this year and we'll agree to your terms".

I know it's fanciful, but is there any chance of something like that at play @Beamrider?
 
Is there a possibility we've promised better deals at the end of the season based on success? Something like "this is our best offer at the current time, but wait it out and win the league and CL this year and we'll agree to your terms".

I know it's fanciful, but is there any chance of something like that at play @Beamrider?
We're not going to base the next 3 years worth of 2 top players' salaries based on whether we win a trophy this season or not, particularly at a time where we've secured CL for next season already, which is where the big money is. Whether we win something this season will have nothing to do with contract terms.
 
I think I'll have to be a late joiner to the TAA critics club. I've always been a big fan and willing to forgive his weaknesses due to all the other things he brings to the team. But the great games and little moments of quality are decreasing in frequency and if we're all being honest - which most are - he's had a stinker of a season.

It's not a question of talent so you have to question why his form has been so poor (or up/down if we're being kind). I watch his performances and wonder whether Real have at any point questioned their interest.

He really is shit at defending. All Trent had to do was make sure he blocked off the angle for Doku to sprint down the line, because we always had players ready should Doku cut in, but he couldn't do it. Obviously someone like Doku will get the better of most defenders one on one. But we just needed him to cut the angle, as any competent defender would do, but he doesn't seem to have the brain to do it.

And yet, his pass to Salah for our second goal was typical high quality and vision. Something I really don't think a lot of side backs have, at least on a consistent basis... I worry about what kind of player we can find to replace him. Bradley ain't it.
 
He really is shit at defending. All Trent had to do was make sure he blocked off the angle for Doku to sprint down the line, because we always had players ready should Doku cut in, but he couldn't do it. Obviously someone like Doku will get the better of most defenders one on one. But we just needed him to cut the angle, as any competent defender would do, but he doesn't seem to have the brain to do it.

And yet, his pass to Salah for our second goal was typical high quality and vision. Something I really don't think a lot of side backs have, at least on a consistent basis... I worry about what kind of player we can find to replace him. Bradley ain't it.

I’snt that the thing - he’s a unicorn, there isn’t a right back that can do what he does in terms of passing and playmaking.

I reckon we missed him at Everton - here he out here - we have 5 main ways of progressing the ball out of defence -

1. Keeper knocks it long - can be devastating on a quick break but high percentage we lose possession.
2. Ibou goes on a Matipesque run - he doesn’t do it very often and it’s as likely to leave a unpluggable gaping hole in defence as smash through the opposition.
3. Ball into Gravy to turn and break through opposition press - Everton completely cut this off.
4. Virgil’s long diagonals - slightly less chance of lost posession and better build up rather than direct through ball option
5. Then there’s Trent - short, long, need of the boot, outside of the boot, left foot, right foot and all from a deep position where he has time - yes they’re Hollywood balls, but even when he’s shit there 1 or 2 defence splitting passes a game in him.

Now, I like Bradley, he’s a better defender than Trent, he’ll chuck himself into a challenge to let his opposition know he’s about and he gets up and down in support - he’s like a young RB version Robbo… but he’s not got the things in his locker Trent has.

Trent is a shit defender, it’s his body positioning / it’s all over the place - but Doku has always had him on toast when the play (and Trent’s not the only one).

So, yeah, he’s such an important outlet for us and we’ll miss him if/when he’s gone.

Not to say we can’t replace some of what he does by getting a good RB in and maybe a more expansive creative LB to offset a more traditional RB.

But… I’m still hoping he stays and decides that winning more trophies with us and working with Slot to actually develop his RB skills is preferable to getting dumped in a season with Real and ending up playing for Chelsea or something equally horrible.
 
I’snt that the thing - he’s a unicorn, there isn’t a right back that can do what he does in terms of passing and playmaking.

I reckon we missed him at Everton - here he out here - we have 5 main ways of progressing the ball out of defence -

1. Keeper knocks it long - can be devastating on a quick break but high percentage we lose possession.
2. Ibou goes on a Matipesque run - he doesn’t do it very often and it’s as likely to leave a unpluggable gaping hole in defence as smash through the opposition.
3. Ball into Gravy to turn and break through opposition press - Everton completely cut this off.
4. Virgil’s long diagonals - slightly less chance of lost posession and better build up rather than direct through ball option
5. Then there’s Trent - short, long, need of the boot, outside of the boot, left foot, right foot and all from a deep position where he has time - yes they’re Hollywood balls, but even when he’s shit there 1 or 2 defence splitting passes a game in him.

Now, I like Bradley, he’s a better defender than Trent, he’ll chuck himself into a challenge to let his opposition know he’s about and he gets up and down in support - he’s like a young RB version Robbo… but he’s not got the things in his locker Trent has.

Trent is a shit defender, it’s his body positioning / it’s all over the place - but Doku has always had him on toast when the play (and Trent’s not the only one).

So, yeah, he’s such an important outlet for us and we’ll miss him if/when he’s gone.

Not to say we can’t replace some of what he does by getting a good RB in and maybe a more expansive creative LB to offset a more traditional RB.

But… I’m still hoping he stays and decides that winning more trophies with us and working with Slot to actually develop his RB skills is preferable to getting dumped in a season with Real and ending up playing for Chelsea or something equally horrible.
I really can't see him succeeding at Madrid. They're not the complete dominant force they once were, and he'll have supporters on his back after just couple of embarrassing defensive errors. Really think he's being advised badly, or his bromance with Bellingham is just that strong.
 
I really can't see him succeeding at Madrid. They're not the complete dominant force they once were, and he'll have supporters on his back after just couple of embarrassing defensive errors. Really think he's being advised badly, or his bromance with Bellingham is just that strong.

Maybe, if Alonso comes in, reverts to 3 at the back with wingbacks and decides he could use Trent in that sort of role.

Or maybe Spain’s league is shit outside of the top 3 of 4 and he won’t get exposed as much.

But yeah… think it’s a bad move - but then I thought McManaman’s move was silly… and that didn’t end badly.
 
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