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Trent, Salah and VVD

Might be taking one for the team there, as our left side might actually be worse…
And still very few attack down that side even counting for Robbo's contact errors. With Trent ... the issue has always been that he is not preseent to make those contact errors, because usually he dont realize a man behind him Or he is bypassed and cant catch up which we all know can also be a case of cant be arsed anymore.
 
The pic of him talking to Salah has 100% nothing to do with Real or a transfer imho.

The Bellingham celebration might be something but at this point I dont care.
 
I hope this gets resolved soon - he’s losing fans by the bucketload with his balon d’or bellingham celebration delusions.

Oh and it was a deflected goal man 😆
 
I'm getting fed up with this constantly being brought up in the media. Pre-match,.post match, player interviews, manager interview, highlights show, football talk shows, podcasts, its everywhere.
Nothing has changed since they started talking about it 2-3 months ago and they still keep yapping.
 
I'm getting fed up with this constantly being brought up in the media. Pre-match,.post match, player interviews, manager interview, highlights show, football talk shows, podcasts.
Nothing has changed since they started talking about it 2-3 months ago and they still keep yapping.

Have to praise Arne for answering these questions week in and week out in the way that he does.

Richard Hughes should be the one in the spotlight.
 
Have to praise Arne for answering these questions week in and week out in the way that he does.

Richard Hughes should be the one in the spotlight.
He's even said a few times, "that's Richard". But Slot is the one in the spotlight, and Hughes never seems to get cornered or dootstepped by the media.
 
He's even said a few times, "that's Richard". But Slot is the one in the spotlight, and Hughes never seems to get cornered or dootstepped by the media.

Yeah, Slot is the one in the spotlight so he will always get those questions. Strange that FSG cant see that a contract announcement for both Salah and Virgil would give the club, players and fans a boost and contribute to the other half of the season.
 
Yeah, Slot is the one in the spotlight so he will always get those questions. Strange that FSG cant see that a contract announcement for both Salah and Virgil would give the club, players and fans a boost and contribute to the other half of the season.
I think they can see that. But they run the club as a business. It's always with an eye on that bottom line. Unlike other clubs.

Like FSG for it or loathe them for it. At least we aren't in a position of uncertain like Chelsea, Everton, Forest etc.. always living on the margins.
 
We are in a position of massive strength right now. Damn near perfect in footballing achievement, much improved on the injury front.
We barely spent anything in the transfer market in summer.
That means we will have money to spend, and we need to spend it firstly on getting as many of these guys to sign new deals as we can, and quickly, and then spend the rest on increasing our squad strength for the second half of the season. With a bit more quality in rotation we can go deep in all the competitions we're in, we just need to make sure it doesn't all go to shit in April / May as we all know it can.
And as much as we rail at them being frugal, FSG haven't been afraid to dip into the market in January in the past. It's arguable that if we'd signed Konoplyanka during the Brendan Rodgers' near-miss season that we'd have won the league that year. FSG were willing to do that deal, it was the selling club (their president in particular) that were the problem.
Decisive action in shoring up what is already a fearsome squad will decimate the teams currently hoping for some sort of mass implosion to give them half a chance of catching us. We need to press home our advantage.
 
We are in a position of massive strength right now. Damn near perfect in footballing achievement, much improved on the injury front.
We barely spent anything in the transfer market in summer.
That means we will have money to spend, and we need to spend it firstly on getting as many of these guys to sign new deals as we can, and quickly, and then spend the rest on increasing our squad strength for the second half of the season. With a bit more quality in rotation we can go deep in all the competitions we're in, we just need to make sure it doesn't all go to shit in April / May as we all know it can.
And as much as we rail at them being frugal, FSG haven't been afraid to dip into the market in January in the past. It's arguable that if we'd signed Konoplyanka during the Brendan Rodgers' near-miss season that we'd have won the league that year. FSG were willing to do that deal, it was the selling club (their president in particular) that were the problem.
Decisive action in shoring up what is already a fearsome squad will decimate the teams currently hoping for some sort of mass implosion to give them half a chance of catching us. We need to press home our advantage.
how do we get you back at the club?
 
We are in a position of strength but also need to show some ambition to build on the foundations that we have set.
We can't have a new summer transfer window without getting better and adding quality.
 
I think they can see that. But they run the club as a business. It's always with an eye on that bottom line. Unlike other clubs.

Like FSG for it or loathe them for it. At least we aren't in a position of uncertain like Chelsea, Everton, Forest etc.. always living on the margins.
I agree with that, but I think we're now at the point where we just need to give more in the negotiations than we had planned and get it done.
I think there comes a point where Hughes has to say that he's done all he can to get it done within the budget they gave him, but it's madness to hold back a few £m for the sake of some kind of moral victory.
It's also worth pointing out at this stage that the changes to the NIC rules in the last Budget will have blown a hole of about £5m in our annual operating budget, and that's money we have to find from somewhere.
 
Honestly, the people at the club will be saying this already. In truth we're lucky that Edwards is back. I should say that I don't think he is the messiah he's often made out to be, but he's bloody good. But most importantly, FSG listen to him.
yea but none of those people post on SCM, we’d have a direct line to the white house

good to hear you think it’s in safe hands though
 
I agree with that, but I think we're now at the point where we just need to give more in the negotiations than we had planned and get it done.
I think there comes a point where Hughes has to say that he's done all he can to get it done within the budget they gave him, but it's madness to hold back a few £m for the sake of some kind of moral victory.
It's also worth pointing out at this stage that the changes to the NIC rules in the last Budget will have blown a hole of about £5m in our annual operating budget, and that's money we have to find from somewhere.

Yeah i agree with that, I think the basic wage per week will be inflexible. But, we should be able to give some more on a signing on bonus to sweeten the deal.
 
Length of the deals could be a sticking point.
I think for these two, we need to just bite the bullet and get it done.

I wasn't in favour of Henderson getting a long term deal as there will be a drop off at some time. But Salah especially, will always have a sell on to Saudi get out.
 
If Mo is sticking out for 5 years he will be in for a rude awakening. 2 or even 3 would be the max.

I think Virgil’s is near enough done. There’s zero talk about his, especially compared to Trent and Mo. I think he’s got 3 years.
 
Just to repeat some of the stuff I've said about FSG before, for the record.
The partnership itself is very diverse in terms of membership. We tend to hear about Henry, Werner, and Gordon - they are the guys with the major stakes in the ownership (although I think Mike Gordon may have stepped back a little). As I understand it, LeBron is a fairly minor player but he obviously has major profile. Beyond them are 40-50 people with small stakes, likely less than 1% each, and the odd co-investor like Red Bird or Dynasty. But those small stakeholders are serious people, either financially (billionaires) or politically (at least one former senator, surprisingly a Democrat), and in some cases their wealth and influence extends via family interests as well. So although you could out-vote them, they're not the sort of people you want to piss off. And they all basically like baseball and NASCAR. So long as the Red Sox are looked after, they don't really care about LFC (for good or ill).
The main stakeholders, who genuinely do have a sporting interest in LFC, not just financial, try to manage it under the radar. So long as LFC isn't a drain on central resources, the minority FSG stakeholders don't really care, and if they get the odd Champions League final to attend then it keeps them amused while they wait for another World Series. When I was there, Mike Gordon was the guy who was hands on and did all the day to day stuff. He's a good bloke, and was always polite and respectful when dealing with the staff over here (although he did pooh pooh the original ticket pricing proposal for the expanded stadium because the number of price points was a prime number - we had to add an extra category).
In the time I was there I would have regular interaction with the finance team in Florida, but rarely with anyone above them. The only real time we had serious interaction with the shareholder group was over the Main Stand expansion - even then it was just issuing a memo and liaising with the people at the Red Sox who dealt with them directly. There were two reasons why that interaction needed their approval - firstly that Fenway was proposing to fund it from central funds (they had capacity to borrow the money at less than a quarter of the cost we were quoted for a private placement bond) and secondly that they had done a refurb of Fenway Park a few years before that didn't go well (financially) so the wider ownership group needed convincing (John, Tom and Mike were all on board).
And that's essentially why we have to do everything else on a self-funded basis, and as long as we do nobody really cares. It's why we try to manage to cash-flow neutral each year - there's no begging bowl to top us up, there's no surplus that the shareholders might want to get their hands on.
Annie Road and the Training Ground were, combined, bigger projects than the Main Stand but we self-funded (via constraining our transfer spend) as the returns for them won't have been as compelling as the Main Stand was, ad we might have been turned down by the shareholders if we'd asked them for funding. And I've said before that we should thank Jurgen for both of those things - he agreed to manage on a comparative shoe-string so we could afford them, and they are as much a part of his legacy as the squad he left for Slot and the shiny things in the museum.
I should also add that, whilst they haven't put significant sums of money into the club (nothing since the Main Stand, as far as I can tell and before that it was just topping us up after the takeover) FSG are scrupulous about not taking anything out (even down to ensuring any hotel bills or meals that we may have paid on behalf of the shareholders were recharged to them). I think that latter point was based on some tax advice they'd had which was probably a bit OTT to be honest. But other than some partial repayments of the Main Stand loan, they've not taken anything out.
 
Just to repeat some of the stuff I've said about FSG before, for the record.
The partnership itself is very diverse in terms of membership. We tend to hear about Henry, Werner, and Gordon - they are the guys with the major stakes in the ownership (although I think Mike Gordon may have stepped back a little). As I understand it, LeBron is a fairly minor player but he obviously has major profile. Beyond them are 40-50 people with small stakes, likely less than 1% each, and the odd co-investor like Red Bird or Dynasty. But those small stakeholders are serious people, either financially (billionaires) or politically (at least one former senator, surprisingly a Democrat), and in some cases their wealth and influence extends via family interests as well. So although you could out-vote them, they're not the sort of people you want to piss off. And they all basically like baseball and NASCAR. So long as the Red Sox are looked after, they don't really care about LFC (for good or ill).
The main stakeholders, who genuinely do have a sporting interest in LFC, not just financial, try to manage it under the radar. So long as LFC isn't a drain on central resources, the minority FSG stakeholders don't really care, and if they get the odd Champions League final to attend then it keeps them amused while they wait for another World Series. When I was there, Mike Gordon was the guy who was hands on and did all the day to day stuff. He's a good bloke, and was always polite and respectful when dealing with the staff over here (although he did pooh pooh the original ticket pricing proposal for the expanded stadium because the number of price points was a prime number - we had to add an extra category).
In the time I was there I would have regular interaction with the finance team in Florida, but rarely with anyone above them. The only real time we had serious interaction with the shareholder group was over the Main Stand expansion - even then it was just issuing a memo and liaising with the people at the Red Sox who dealt with them directly. There were two reasons why that interaction needed their approval - firstly that Fenway was proposing to fund it from central funds (they had capacity to borrow the money at less than a quarter of the cost we were quoted for a private placement bond) and secondly that they had done a refurb of Fenway Park a few years before that didn't go well (financially) so the wider ownership group needed convincing (John, Tom and Mike were all on board).
And that's essentially why we have to do everything else on a self-funded basis, and as long as we do nobody really cares. It's why we try to manage to cash-flow neutral each year - there's no begging bowl to top us up, there's no surplus that the shareholders might want to get their hands on.
Annie Road and the Training Ground were, combined, bigger projects than the Main Stand but we self-funded (via constraining our transfer spend) as the returns for them won't have been as compelling as the Main Stand was, ad we might have been turned down by the shareholders if we'd asked them for funding. And I've said before that we should thank Jurgen for both of those things - he agreed to manage on a comparative shoe-string so we could afford them, and they are as much a part of his legacy as the squad he left for Slot and the shiny things in the museum.
I should also add that, whilst they haven't put significant sums of money into the club (nothing since the Main Stand, as far as I can tell and before that it was just topping us up after the takeover) FSG are scrupulous about not taking anything out (even down to ensuring any hotel bills or meals that we may have paid on behalf of the shareholders were recharged to them). I think that latter point was based on some tax advice they'd had which was probably a bit OTT to be honest. But other than some partial repayments of the Main Stand loan, they've not taken anything out.
But they have allowed assets to run down their contracts and leave for free and they have done it more than a few times. That is ultimately down to them
 
But they have allowed assets to run down their contracts and leave for free and they have done it more than a few times. That is ultimately down to them
Maybe we don't want to take the risks with those players no matter how good they are now. Who is to say that Trent is someone we want to keep anyway ? - is there no school of thought where the stats team at LFC have looked at our defensive problems and see that most of the shit comes down Trent's side ? how many games would we have not drawn or lost if a better RB was in place ? does his goal involvements over the years nullify the goals conceded .... ? - probably not. Then you look at the new contract offer - so he wants more - but in football where is it acceptable to have your RB as the highest earner - but then you all say he is generational because of his passing range - maybe but then we don't play a Klopp system where we are reliant on the abilities of our RB/LB to create chances - which is shit anyway coz midfielders are better positioned to do that. I can see this from the point of view from our club and FSG.

At the same time I don't like the fact that RM have come in and done this - it just feels wrong coz they are a European cunt rival team - taking away what many think is one of our best players and it also sets a precedent for future stars in our time who will be happy to run down their contracts while being tapped up by Madrid. I don't like that at all.
 
Maybe we don't want to take the risks with those players no matter how good they are now. Who is to say that Trent is someone we want to keep anyway ? - is there no school of thought where the stats team at LFC have looked at our defensive problems and see that most of the shit comes down Trent's side ? how many games would we have not drawn or lost if a better RB was in place ? does his goal involvements over the years nullify the goals conceded .... ? - probably not. Then you look at the new contract offer - so he wants more - but in football where is it acceptable to have your RB as the highest earner - but then you all say he is generational because of his passing range - maybe but then we don't play a Klopp system where we are reliant on the abilities of our RB/LB to create chances - which is shit anyway coz midfielders are better positioned to do that. I can see this from the point of view from our club and FSG.

At the same time I don't like the fact that RM have come in and done this - it just feels wrong coz they are a European cunt rival team - taking away what many think is one of our best players and it also sets a precedent for future stars in our time who will be happy to run down their contracts while being tapped up by Madrid. I don't like that at all.
I am not a billionaire and own a football club, but I would never let a player run down his contract unless I was forced to. Trent as much you don't like him is a £100m player, and he could leave for free. 24M before their contract ends, you negotiate and if they don't re-sign you sell. Other clubs do it, we seem unable to. The only other club which is worse than us is Man U.
FSG could easily direct the FDs to make contracts high priority
 
I am not a billionaire and own a football club, but I would never let a player run down his contract unless I was forced to. Trent as much you don't like him is a £100m player, and he could leave for free. 24M before their contract ends, you negotiate and if they don't re-sign you sell. Other clubs do it, we seem unable to. The only other club which is worse than us is Man U.
FSG could easily direct the FDs to make contracts high priority
You do know he’s not a £100 million player. We would be foaming at the mouth if we were spending that much on a right back. Who would spend that money on him? Nobody.
 
We may not spend that much but Real do.
Militao was their last expensive defender. €50 million which was over 4 years ago.

But back to your statement about losing him. There’s mitigating factors why his contract wasn’t sorted around a year ago. That was the unknown of the change in management.

We also don’t know what he wants. He could be asking for a million quid a week. The captaincy. First crack at all pregnant players wives. The club could do some sums and go no thanks. We can do better than agreeing to his demands.

It could also be he has absolutely no intention on staying and always wanted to leave on a free. Real could’ve tapped him up a few years ago to get him on a free. Part of their plan.

We couldn’t force him to sign for someone else.
 
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