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Trent, Salah and VVD

Just to repeat some of the stuff I've said about FSG before, for the record.
The partnership itself is very diverse in terms of membership. We tend to hear about Henry, Werner, and Gordon - they are the guys with the major stakes in the ownership (although I think Mike Gordon may have stepped back a little). As I understand it, LeBron is a fairly minor player but he obviously has major profile. Beyond them are 40-50 people with small stakes, likely less than 1% each, and the odd co-investor like Red Bird or Dynasty. But those small stakeholders are serious people, either financially (billionaires) or politically (at least one former senator, surprisingly a Democrat), and in some cases their wealth and influence extends via family interests as well. So although you could out-vote them, they're not the sort of people you want to piss off. And they all basically like baseball and NASCAR. So long as the Red Sox are looked after, they don't really care about LFC (for good or ill).
The main stakeholders, who genuinely do have a sporting interest in LFC, not just financial, try to manage it under the radar. So long as LFC isn't a drain on central resources, the minority FSG stakeholders don't really care, and if they get the odd Champions League final to attend then it keeps them amused while they wait for another World Series. When I was there, Mike Gordon was the guy who was hands on and did all the day to day stuff. He's a good bloke, and was always polite and respectful when dealing with the staff over here (although he did pooh pooh the original ticket pricing proposal for the expanded stadium because the number of price points was a prime number - we had to add an extra category).
In the time I was there I would have regular interaction with the finance team in Florida, but rarely with anyone above them. The only real time we had serious interaction with the shareholder group was over the Main Stand expansion - even then it was just issuing a memo and liaising with the people at the Red Sox who dealt with them directly. There were two reasons why that interaction needed their approval - firstly that Fenway was proposing to fund it from central funds (they had capacity to borrow the money at less than a quarter of the cost we were quoted for a private placement bond) and secondly that they had done a refurb of Fenway Park a few years before that didn't go well (financially) so the wider ownership group needed convincing (John, Tom and Mike were all on board).
And that's essentially why we have to do everything else on a self-funded basis, and as long as we do nobody really cares. It's why we try to manage to cash-flow neutral each year - there's no begging bowl to top us up, there's no surplus that the shareholders might want to get their hands on.
Annie Road and the Training Ground were, combined, bigger projects than the Main Stand but we self-funded (via constraining our transfer spend) as the returns for them won't have been as compelling as the Main Stand was, ad we might have been turned down by the shareholders if we'd asked them for funding. And I've said before that we should thank Jurgen for both of those things - he agreed to manage on a comparative shoe-string so we could afford them, and they are as much a part of his legacy as the squad he left for Slot and the shiny things in the museum.
I should also add that, whilst they haven't put significant sums of money into the club (nothing since the Main Stand, as far as I can tell and before that it was just topping us up after the takeover) FSG are scrupulous about not taking anything out (even down to ensuring any hotel bills or meals that we may have paid on behalf of the shareholders were recharged to them). I think that latter point was based on some tax advice they'd had which was probably a bit OTT to be honest. But other than some partial repayments of the Main Stand loan, they've not taken anything out.

Thank you @Beamrider.

I have complained about the way we do things in terms of transfers but that was just me letting off steam. On the whole, I am very grateful to FSG. When reports first started coming that they were looking to sell, I was a bit worried. I don't want our club to be owned by nation state. In terms of owners who let the club spend what it earns, they are as good as any out there.

Compared to the previous ownership, our club looks a different level on and off the pitch. I know fans of other clubs who look at us with jealousy. Under FSG, I was able to experience competing for the league under three different managers. If the PL had some semblance of equity, we would have dominated it under FSG.
 
Militao was their last expensive defender. €50 million which was over 4 years ago.

But back to your statement about losing him. There’s mitigating factors why his contract wasn’t sorted around a year ago. That was the unknown of the change in management.

We also don’t know what he wants. He could be asking for a million quid a week. The captaincy. First crack at all pregnant players wives. The club could do some sums and go no thanks. We can do better than agreeing to his demands.

It could also be he has absolutely no intention on staying and always wanted to leave on a free. Real could’ve tapped him up a few years ago to get him on a free. Part of their plan.

We couldn’t force him to sign for someone else.
Why the f@$% are you talking sense..? You know bloody well that has no place when discussing this topic, or FSG in general. Hyperbolic rubbish or sod off, please.
 
Just to repeat some of the stuff I've said about FSG before, for the record.
The partnership itself is very diverse in terms of membership. We tend to hear about Henry, Werner, and Gordon - they are the guys with the major stakes in the ownership (although I think Mike Gordon may have stepped back a little). As I understand it, LeBron is a fairly minor player but he obviously has major profile. Beyond them are 40-50 people with small stakes, likely less than 1% each, and the odd co-investor like Red Bird or Dynasty. But those small stakeholders are serious people, either financially (billionaires) or politically (at least one former senator, surprisingly a Democrat), and in some cases their wealth and influence extends via family interests as well. So although you could out-vote them, they're not the sort of people you want to piss off. And they all basically like baseball and NASCAR. So long as the Red Sox are looked after, they don't really care about LFC (for good or ill).
The main stakeholders, who genuinely do have a sporting interest in LFC, not just financial, try to manage it under the radar. So long as LFC isn't a drain on central resources, the minority FSG stakeholders don't really care, and if they get the odd Champions League final to attend then it keeps them amused while they wait for another World Series. When I was there, Mike Gordon was the guy who was hands on and did all the day to day stuff. He's a good bloke, and was always polite and respectful when dealing with the staff over here (although he did pooh pooh the original ticket pricing proposal for the expanded stadium because the number of price points was a prime number - we had to add an extra category).
In the time I was there I would have regular interaction with the finance team in Florida, but rarely with anyone above them. The only real time we had serious interaction with the shareholder group was over the Main Stand expansion - even then it was just issuing a memo and liaising with the people at the Red Sox who dealt with them directly. There were two reasons why that interaction needed their approval - firstly that Fenway was proposing to fund it from central funds (they had capacity to borrow the money at less than a quarter of the cost we were quoted for a private placement bond) and secondly that they had done a refurb of Fenway Park a few years before that didn't go well (financially) so the wider ownership group needed convincing (John, Tom and Mike were all on board).
And that's essentially why we have to do everything else on a self-funded basis, and as long as we do nobody really cares. It's why we try to manage to cash-flow neutral each year - there's no begging bowl to top us up, there's no surplus that the shareholders might want to get their hands on.
Annie Road and the Training Ground were, combined, bigger projects than the Main Stand but we self-funded (via constraining our transfer spend) as the returns for them won't have been as compelling as the Main Stand was, ad we might have been turned down by the shareholders if we'd asked them for funding. And I've said before that we should thank Jurgen for both of those things - he agreed to manage on a comparative shoe-string so we could afford them, and they are as much a part of his legacy as the squad he left for Slot and the shiny things in the museum.
I should also add that, whilst they haven't put significant sums of money into the club (nothing since the Main Stand, as far as I can tell and before that it was just topping us up after the takeover) FSG are scrupulous about not taking anything out (even down to ensuring any hotel bills or meals that we may have paid on behalf of the shareholders were recharged to them). I think that latter point was based on some tax advice they'd had which was probably a bit OTT to be honest. But other than some partial repayments of the Main Stand loan, they've not taken anything out.
I fucking love your insights. Could read them all day. I know it gets said all the time but thank you for sharing so much interesting detail.
 
Compared to most club owners in the League, FSG are one of the better ones out there, lack of current investment not withstanding.

Hopefully, having got the new management upskilled, and flush with CL money, and having NOT spent $ in the last windows, we will see some investment in the squad
 
But they have allowed assets to run down their contracts and leave for free and they have done it more than a few times. That is ultimately down to them

And what has doing that done to the overall value of their asset - the club.

That’s what is important to them, not what happens to or with individual players.
 
Honestly this whole thing is getting so boring.
We're top of the league and flying atm and I still have to hear and read about fucking contracts.
Even worse from those TV commentators in and out of the studio. It's all that Kelly goes on about... Never mind listening to commentary or after match interviews 🤬
"A brilliant goal from Salah! But he still hasn't signed a new contract and can sign with another club from January "
"Superb defending from Virgil! But he hasn't signed a new contract and can sign with another club from January "
"Incredible 60m cross field pass from Trent... but he hadn't signed a new contract and can sign with another club from January "
 
Yes, the constant repetition of the same question delivered in increasingly bizarre ways is wearing.

On top of that we have the 'every word dissected' by each player for nuance. It has also morphed into reading the runes concerning hand gestures.

If I was a 'sports reporter' and my handlers were instructing me to ask the same question over and over I might be telling them to feck off by now.
 
So there's really only one way to interpret Trents' "all talk" celebration the other night, right? As a deliberate reference to Bellingham's identical gesture a couple of years ago? There's no way it's a coincidence.

I'm really struggling to see how that doesn't make him a complete fucking bellend.
 
Agree with Carra, it's getting kinda tiresome. At this point the entire world knows he has long decided to go to Real and is on some sort of damage control now.

The "I don't discuss my contract in public", the finger to the lips, no one is buying it. Don't insult our intelligence.

Now win us the league and the CL and sod off.
 
Yeah, he's gone.

If the club can get £30m plus in January and sign the fullback we want then we should just get it done and move on. The club will probably want to wait until the summer, though.
Nah, he won't be able force our hands. We shouldn't give him that back door out of the club as some pseudo reluctant boyhood fan who never wanted to leave. He can't have it both ways. Ultimately when he leaves on a free it's all on him and no one else. Hopefully we will get some insights into what went on with the negotiations to let his contract run down to this state. With what has transpired so far, it's becoming clearer by the day who didn't want the new contract to happen.
 
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So, here's the decision. Which would you pick?

A. Take a fee of approx Euro 10-20M for TAA now, SELL and lose him for the season now
B. Keep a hold of a player who has signed on the sly for another club - and all the dressing room shite that involves, till end of the season
 
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