Yeah, thats a great story from the Spanish media. They cant negotiate before after the 1st of Jan, so easy to spot a BS story.
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Yeah, thats a great story from the Spanish media. They cant negotiate before after the 1st of Jan, so easy to spot a BS story.
You've been pretty confident that they'll all sign since the start of the season and so far no progress. You still confident?
They flew him out to Benidorm to tap him up.
Agents talk to clubs all year round. If that's where he's headed the deal will already be agreed.
I feel like we should be preparing for the future. Play Bradders more.
Talking and negotiating a contract are two different things though.
I love what he's done for us, he's been great, but if he does run his contract down I want him to do his ACL when we're 3-0 up in the CL final, Madrid have a clause where they don't have to take him, ends up without a club, out for 18 months, never gets his pace back and ends up on Everton's bench for all eternity. Not that I'm bitter or anything.
They're not. Uefa don't hack lawyers hard drives. They don't have access to agents email or WhatsApp. It could all be done ready for signature now.
I posted my thoughts a couple of pages back. Salah and Virgil are pretty safe imho. Both want to stay and have been vocal about staying and the club wants the same.
The fact that Trent haven't said anything, although he said that it wouldnt be played out in the media, results in these stories from the Spanish media. Which we know are pretty bad sources.
But seeing that we are in December soon makes me more fearful about him and that he'll end up leaving.
As said previously if we come to January and he says he is leaving then I'd demote him to the reserves and play Bradley as the first choice RB.
So, my guess now is that 2/3 are staying.
Demoting him to the reserves is a bit harsh.
But we should be giving Bradley more opportunities
He won’t move in January. He’s already thinking about all the Euro he will be getting paid instead of us getting a fee.
Am I the only one who is completely unmoved by this? Trent has won everything with Liverpool and if he wants to move on I wish him luck. I don't necessarily see it as incompetence from the club "allowing" him to run down his contract either. If Trent doesn't want to sign a reasonable offer then he doesn't want to sign.
It would be a sign of incompetence if the club was lowballing or somehow forgot to make an offer, but that feels unlikely.
It would be a sign of incompetence if the club was lowballing or somehow forgot to make an offer, but that feels unlikely.
Exactly, wouldn't surprise me if his people are asking for the same wage he'd get at Real when he goes for free and we won't be able to match it.
I wrote a while back that I think that Trent's plan is to come back to LFC after his 4 year stint.
You mean he will want to come back and we tell him to fuck off the Judus cunt?
We could match it if we considered a lump of it a signing on fee, a fee that we will have to pay for someone else anyway. But we won't.
Pretty much, like we did with Macca
If a player like TAA - a ~100M asset - refuses to entertain contract negotiations at the 2 year / 18 month mark, the club should probably look to sell to ensure a fee is received.
It does feel a little on the incompetent side, yeah, that we've basically gone "oh, well, we've had other stuff to worry about and we have tried..".
I don't agree that it could be done already, but talking about what they could potentially offer is another thing.
His head might be turned and Real are always using their players to that work as well and Jude has been in full mode.
We'll know soon enough now anyway, but stories from the local media in Madrid aren't spot on, as usual, is my guess.
They can't sign anything that is legally binding until 1 January, but that doesn't mean they can't negotiate via intermediaries and get it all agreed in principle. @Woland is absolutely correct in his posts above.
It's a breach of football regulations for there to be direct contact between a club and a player before 1 January, but that's not to say it won't have happened. Proving it is the difficult part. We got in hot water over Virgil because we flew him to Blackpool airport to meet Klopp and then they were spotted together at the Pleasure Beach. I imagine Madrid, who are experts in tapping up, won't have been so careless as to pose for photos with Trent outside the Prado.
But I also don't believe they'll have been reckless enough to sign binding legal agreements ahead of time, which means we have until the New Year to turn his head back. And as I said above, we need to start by reminding him how it felt to win stuff with us.
It's a breach of football regulations for there to be direct contact between a club and a player before 1 January, but that's not to say it won't have happened. Proving it is the difficult part. We got in hot water over Virgil because we flew him to Blackpool airport to meet Klopp and then they were spotted together at the Pleasure Beach. I imagine Madrid, who are experts in tapping up, won't have been so careless as to pose for photos with Trent outside the Prado.
But I also don't believe they'll have been reckless enough to sign binding legal agreements ahead of time, which means we have until the New Year to turn his head back. And as I said above, we need to start by reminding him how it felt to win stuff with us.
We had leverage when Tayto was playing better than him when he was out injured last season. Could have just said well we don't need you so sign or play second fiddle for 18 months. I guess that would have been much easier to do if Klopp didn't give a fuck as he was off anyway. Ah well.
I am pretty sure Virgil's signing was announced, under the Christmas tree, between Christmas and New Year ... i.e. before the window opened. Obviously done with the blessing of Southampton.
The timing of Klopp's announcement has really fucked us here (and it was part of the rationale for extending his deal previously - it gives greater certainty to the players to know who their coach is going to be). Don't get me wrong, I don't blame Klopp, he was clearly burnt out, almost broken, and I actually respect him for seeing the season out.
You can totally understand any in-demand player waiting to see how the new guy fares before committing, which is what they've done, but in the meantime their agents will have had approaches from other clubs and they've gained power in the negotiations.
We can bitch all we like, but what we should be doing is controlling it better at our end and scouting around Europe for players at other clubs in the same position to balance it out in our purchases.
You can totally understand any in-demand player waiting to see how the new guy fares before committing, which is what they've done, but in the meantime their agents will have had approaches from other clubs and they've gained power in the negotiations.
We can bitch all we like, but what we should be doing is controlling it better at our end and scouting around Europe for players at other clubs in the same position to balance it out in our purchases.
Regardless, Real Madrid wouldn't risk leaking a story to the local press that they are actively negotiating with Trent as it would be basically admitting to breaking the FIFA rules about approaching a player without our permission.
Even if its hard to prove they aren't stupid and wouldn't risk it at this stage.
That was the second time around. The first attempt to sign him was the previous summer. That's when they went on the Big Dipper. It was Edwards's first transfer window and he didn't fully understand the protocols - there's an unwritten rule that you ring your opposite number as a courtesy and let them know you're after a player before you do anything. If they kick off then you make sure you do things properly (no contact with the player until you've agreed a fee or obtained permission from his club). If they don't kick off you can ignore the strict rules because they've basically told you they won't dob you in. My guess is that that call didn't happen.
I wouldn’t sell Trent in January unless we could secure a top-class replacement immediately. People can argue that’s short-termism, but with a potential title on the line, everything else has to take a back seat.
There are plenty of plausible narratives that City win this title—or even the next three or four. The point is, there must be an exceptionally good reason to risk losing such a key player. If we had won more titles over the years, if there were stronger indications that winning the league would become easier in the future, or if we were on track as a side looking qualify for the Champions League, I might take a different view and prioritise the longer term.
But as things stand, we need to stay focused, avoid distractions, and keep doing what’s clearly working. We know Trent can be part of a title-winning team. Slot has earned enough initial trust to suggest he could win the title with these players, and Edwards and the recruitment team have shown they can overperform in the transfer market when needed.
If it’s a choice between sticking or twisting, there needs to be an exceptionally good plan in place to justify the risk. The title will come down to fine margins, and having Trent on the pitch—even for just four more months—could be the difference between me seeing the city of Liverpool celebrating a title for the first time in my life and not.
Whatever wild contract we have thrown at Trent can also go to the RB fund. No other RB is going be on anything close to what we're offering Trent at this stage, which also has to be taken into account when thinking about funding any replacement.
There are plenty of plausible narratives that City win this title—or even the next three or four. The point is, there must be an exceptionally good reason to risk losing such a key player. If we had won more titles over the years, if there were stronger indications that winning the league would become easier in the future, or if we were on track as a side looking qualify for the Champions League, I might take a different view and prioritise the longer term.
But as things stand, we need to stay focused, avoid distractions, and keep doing what’s clearly working. We know Trent can be part of a title-winning team. Slot has earned enough initial trust to suggest he could win the title with these players, and Edwards and the recruitment team have shown they can overperform in the transfer market when needed.
If it’s a choice between sticking or twisting, there needs to be an exceptionally good plan in place to justify the risk. The title will come down to fine margins, and having Trent on the pitch—even for just four more months—could be the difference between me seeing the city of Liverpool celebrating a title for the first time in my life and not.
Whatever wild contract we have thrown at Trent can also go to the RB fund. No other RB is going be on anything close to what we're offering Trent at this stage, which also has to be taken into account when thinking about funding any replacement.
Agreed re the leak. Which is what makes me think this story isn't totally accurate, is not club-sourced, or else the journo has used shorthand when trying to say Madrid are speaking to his agent.
