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Trent, Salah and VVD

There was one deal we did where the player didn't join us immediately and we arranged for his existing club to pay him a one-off bonus which we funded by an extra transfer fee (the bonus essentially enhanced his wages in that season to what they would have been if he'd joined us immediately). In that case the other club was overseas so they had more flexibility.

I find the fact that the player in question is likely Naby Keita upsetting.
 
I've seen this from all ends up. It's disgusting what the liverpool academy do with kids from when they're six. They might as well be chimney sweeps

Get up at 5. Train for a bit. Do some maths, have a little match. Go do some English for a bit. Train again till five so you're fucked. Then get dropped when you're sixteen with zero life skills

Sorry kid, get a job.

It's horrible. What are they going to do next?

It's about a 0.1 % chance of making it, and then commentators start talking about diamonds in the rough

I hope Trent takes Liverpool for every bean he can, because for every one of him, they've destroyed a thousand
 
I've seen this from all ends up. It's disgusting what the liverpool academy do with kids from when they're six. They might as well be chimney sweeps

Get up at 5. Train for a bit. Do some maths, have a little match. Go do some English for a bit. Train again till five so you're fucked. Then get dropped when you're sixteen with zero life skills

Sorry kid, get a job.

It's horrible. What are they going to do next?

It's about a 0.1 % chance of making it, and then commentators start talking about diamonds in the rough

I hope Trent takes Liverpool for every bean he can, because for every one of him, they've destroyed a thousand
Yep. I remember a colleague coming back from the Academy one day and complaining that the kids were running wild out there. And I told her they needed to be allowed to because most of them would end up on the scrap heap in their late teens having had no childhood to speak of. Dream factory my arse. Too much pressure too young.
 
You can say that about every kid trying to make it professionally though. In every sport.
Chasing the dream is part of the dream.
Most don’t make it.
 
Sorry but ... have none of you seen what the lives of most children around the world are like? From Africa to South America, from rural China to Russia to the Indian sub-continent.
That young footballer lifestyle would be absolute heaven for 80% of the world's children. 1st world issue.

If you want to apportion blame then at least include the parents because it's mainly their responsibility to find a path through life for their children.

I'm not claiming the club system is faultless but that is the risk every sportsman, artist, musician etc etc takes.
 
There used to be county football. There were ten kids leagues in Liverpool. I played for marine with mcateer. We all went to school and knew we'd probably end up in a normal life with normal jobs. Some make it and some don't. This academy bullshit, not just liverpool is utter bullshit.
 
Sorry but ... have none of you seen what the lives of most children around the world are like? From Africa to South America, from rural China to Russia to the Indian sub-continent.
That young footballer lifestyle would be absolute heaven for 80% of the world's children. 1st world issue.

If you want to apportion blame then at least include the parents because it's mainly their responsibility to find a path through life for their children.

I'm not claiming the club system is faultless but that is the risk every sportsman, artist, musician etc etc takes.
Agreed the responsibility lies with the parents first and foremost. It's their job to encourage the kids but also make them understand that the chances of making it are small and education should be the main priority.
 
Sorry but ... have none of you seen what the lives of most children around the world are like? From Africa to South America, from rural China to Russia to the Indian sub-continent.
That young footballer lifestyle would be absolute heaven for 80% of the world's children. 1st world issue.

The same would be true if they were enrolled in an academy or not.

This argument in general is not one you should use. It's useful to think about how easy we have it in terms of our standard of living, when you're nursing your own grievances. It can be useful to recognize whatever is annoying you and then count your lucky stars.

It's not an excuse to allow any and all sorts of injustice or wrong up until the point of living in a mud hut. I did that for a summer by the way. It didn't give me any sense of what it was like either. Not really. I also get fucking angry at stupid little things still.

This isn't a stupid little thing. There are ways to fix this relatively easily.
 
Agreed the responsibility lies with the parents first and foremost. It's their job to encourage the kid but also make them understand that the chances of making are small and education should be the main priority.

By that same logic there's no point wanting anything better out of public education in general. Oh, your school is fucking shit and isn't teaching kids necessary skills? Fucking parents again, casting off their personal responsibility.
 
By that same logic there's no point wanting anything better out of public education in general. Oh, your school is fucking shit and isn't teaching kids necessary skills? Fucking parents again, casting off their personal responsibility.
If the infrastructure isn't adequate then that's another issue.
 
They do in the UK. The outcomes are advertised as ok actually relative to national averages, but I'm just responding to the faulty logic of both criticisms. It's hard to actually read through the PR to get to any hard facts about what they're doing, and I can't be arsed. It's more than just metric based outcomes though.

I did come across this fun line:

"Throughout this partnership, Rainhill High School has been instrumental in nurturing the talents of eight first-team players for Liverpool FC, including luminaries like Raheem Sterling"
 
I think I've told this story before but a mate of mine was helping out a premier league club (might have been Middlesbrough) and they had a kid who'd just been given a lucrative new deal and was going off the rails, bad attitude and just wasn't arsed. When they hauled him in for a chat, his rationale was that it was too much like hard work and he thought he'd just jack it in and go and work at the local factory with his mates where he would "earn the same money". Some of these kids are so divorced from reality it's un-true, and it's no wonder it's so hard for them to cope when clubs let them go.
The PFA should be insisting clubs set up and fully fund proper pathways for the kids that don't make it so they don't go off the rails. It seems the only ones doing stuff that can help are the likes of Robbie Fowler through his Academy where they're trying to get the kids into coaching / physio and other stuff that's still in the game but doesn't involve playing.
 
I see Salah and VVD as potentially being very noticeable losses from the next year's squad. If they were not to sign some sort of an extension. But I like the fact they are kept like this without their contracts being renewed. I think that's a great fuckin' idea. And I would not renew their contracts in January. I think it surely keeps Salah going and engaged in a good way. And that is very worthwhile. He could be said something very simple like: "At this point it is very best for everyone that your contract runs out and we see where things are at the end of the season."

Market is a great incentive structure. As well as an information and self-correction system. It's probably priceless and impeccable in those regards. If you undermine the market you create all sorts of problems. And market is also sometimes referred to as the competition of the fittest so that Slot should be warned not to over-exude some of those commodities in the short term. He should tailor that stuff to the end-of-this-season timeframe. IMO.

(lol?)

ps Liverpool Football Club is also an institution. As its captaincy is supposed to be.
pps Or . So . It's . Often . Said . And . Assumed .
 
The same would be true if they were enrolled in an academy or not.

This argument in general is not one you should use. It's useful to think about how easy we have it in terms of our standard of living, when you're nursing your own grievances. It can be useful to recognize whatever is annoying you and then count your lucky stars.

It's not an excuse to allow any and all sorts of injustice or wrong up until the point of living in a mud hut. I did that for a summer by the way. It didn't give me any sense of what it was like either. Not really. I also get fucking angry at stupid little things still.

This isn't a stupid little thing. There are ways to fix this relatively easily.
Read back my comments I didn't excuse it. But the onus is still on the parents.

There are a million things wrong with this world but this - this is a first world problem. It matters to those children but in the greater scheme of things it's an irrelevance.

Of course it can be fixed but that's like telling MNC's not to use palm oil or the USA to stop using health impacting additives in their food (which is why 50% of American produced crap is banned in Europe). Easy fixes but will they? No because it affects their bottom line. Ditto football clubs.

Parents however have the primary responsibility for their own children, but also stars in their eyes and visions of a golden financial future. So they'll throw their children under the bus in the hope they are one of the very few to forge a career
 
Read back my comments I didn't excuse it. But the onus is still on the parents.

There are a million things wrong with this world but this - this is a first world problem. It matters to those children but in the greater scheme of things it's an irrelevance.

Of course it can be fixed but that's like telling MNC's not to use palm oil or the USA to stop using health impacting additives in their food (which is why 50% of American produced crap is banned in Europe). Easy fixes but will they? No because it affects their bottom line. Ditto football clubs.

Parents however have the primary responsibility for their own children, but also stars in their eyes and visions of a golden financial future. So they'll throw their children under the bus in the hope they are one of the very few to forge a career

It's not an irrelevance to the discussion of what is "owed" by academy players.

This whole forum is an irrelevance.
 
I wrote a book about this bullshit and it was going to get published by Faber, until it didn't

It's true. Kids get fucked in this mess. Also, smart phones have made it very difficult to write anything. Attention is not something I have anymore
 
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