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Trent, Salah and VVD

It's a few years back, but when I was at the club we were negotiating a new deal for a first-team centre half who was on the wrong side of 30. The starting point was a LOWER salary than he was on at the time. Long term, we didn't want to be paying him top wages at 33-34, and we had to structure the deal the way we did in part because the FA frowned upon deals where the salary decreased over the life of the contract (which practically speaking is what you would want to do with a player approaching retirement whose levels will decline and who is likely to miss more games through injury). Practically speaking, we couldn't start with a year of parity with his existing deal and then tailing off.
The player ended up moving on as he wouldn't sign the new deal. Honest opinion, we didn't miss him.
But that was then, and this is now. And this is possibly still the best centre half in world football, and that other guy wasn't. And wage inflation is still accelerating more quickly than it was then.
If these rumours are true, we should absolutely put that deal on the table for the great man and get him signed up. It sends out the right message to other players in the squad to see their leader signing up. And then I look at Pepe, and Modric, who are still doing the business at 41 and 39 respectively, and I hope to God that Virgil can do the same.
Pay the man, he's 100% worth it. As with his transfer fee, this will look like a bargain in a year or two.
If it's true, of course. And this is TeamTalk so it's probably bollocks.
I'm trying to guess who this is... Skrtel?
 
Beamrider is a fixed shooter written for the Intellivision by David Rolfe and published by Activision in 1983. The game was ported to the Atari 2600(with a slightly reduced feature set), Atari 5200, Atari 8-bit computers, ColecoVision, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, and MSX.
And it's somehow escaped it's confines !
 
Trent saying he wants to be the first right back to win the big prize and be known as the best full back to ever play the game is worrying.

A lot more chance of that at Madrid than Liverpool.
 
Trent says a lot of shit, often contradictory. One minute it’s about winning trophies, then it’s not, but more about himself. One minute it’s his dream to captain the club, then the next he’s technically already done that.

The quicker he fucks off with that inflated ego of his, the better. A footnote in Madrid’s success is all he’ll mount to.
 
Beamrider is a fixed shooter written for the Intellivision by David Rolfe and published by Activision in 1983. The game was ported to the Atari 2600(with a slightly reduced feature set), Atari 5200, Atari 8-bit computers, ColecoVision, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, and MSX.
Beamrider AI making typographical errors. Thats some sophisticated Turing Test shit. Definitely non-human.
 
I think Trent knows he's in the driving seat and every time he makes an ambiguous comment the fee goes up. He's not soft.
 
In the commentary post the Leipzig match on Irish TV. two Irish ex pro's both said they reckon Trent is off while both Virgil and Mo will stay.
No claims of insider knowledge, just a sense of seeing it happen before with other fellow pro's.
 
In the commentary post the Leipzig match on Irish TV. two Irish ex pro's both said they reckon Trent is off while both Virgil and Mo will stay.
No claims of insider knowledge, just a sense of seeing it happen before with other fellow pro's.
I think that’ll happen. Neither Virgil nor Mo will be getting offers from a team expecting to go deep into the European cup and if they want trophies they’ll stay here.
 
I can easily see both Virg and Mo going to a dominant European team like PSG or Bayern, I think we have done great to hold onto them this long but wonder if there is a certain amount arrogance we have built up that may lead to losing 1 or all 3?
Virg can easily go to a top European team and play for another 2-3 yrs at the very top.
 
I can easily see both Virg and Mo going to a dominant European team like PSG or Bayern, I think we have done great to hold onto them this long but wonder if there is a certain amount arrogance we have built up that may lead to losing 1 or all 3?
Virg can easily go to a top European team and play for another 2-3 yrs at the very top.
The arse has dropped out of French footy and PSG are failing UEFA financial rules as it is.

Bayern have the Kane curse.
 
The arse has dropped out of French footy and PSG are failing UEFA financial rules as it is.

Bayern have the Kane curse.
PSG will just get another big fine at worst, they aren’t getting thrown out Europe especially with their chairman involved.
They will be both in later rounds of CL.
The notion we are the only team whom will pay 220k a week more for either players is maybe the reason we are on the “virg” of losing our spine for nothing.
 
PSG will just get another big fine at worst, they aren’t getting thrown out Europe especially with their chairman involved.
They will be both in later rounds of CL.
The notion we are the only team whom will pay 220k a week more for either players is maybe the reason we are on the “virg” of losing our spine for nothing.
Would you risk it? Last big contract of your career and you end up wallowing in French football which is so crap the French can’t even watch it. I doubt Nike or whoever sponsor their boots would be happy at it either nor any other sponsors.

I think there are sides that can offer them £220k/week but nobody will give them what we can offer. Premier League and champions league footy. A captaincy and real chance of winning trophies that actually matter.
 
Thinking about it now, he’s definitely leaving. All that money he’s missing out on every week by not agreeing to a higher newer contract. No way that’s happening if he wasn’t going.

and again. That’s fine. But going to one of the richest clubs in the world without a fee for us so we can reinvest? Wankery thing to do.

Should have been dealt with in season 2022-2023 by the Klopp era people
 
I haven't watched the interview - can't be bothered - but I do wonder whether his new found commitment to the RB role was influenced by what went on with England during the summer.

TAA wants that personal glory and perhaps he had a think and went, well, if I can't make this whole midfield shit work, maybe I need to do it from RB.

I don't mind him talking big as long as he delivers on the pitch. Still hoping he stays.
 
Just asking as you know more about this than any of us dickheads, but do FSG entertain signing on bonuses?
In summary, not opposed IN PRINCIPLE to a one-off, up-front payment, but it's difficult to structure that and the club won't generally do a standard-form signing-on fee.
The thing about a signing-on fee is that it has to be paid in every year of the contract and remains due even if the player leaves the club. So if the player want's a £2m signing on fee, then you have to payment them £2m a year for five years (or whatever the contract length is), even if they turn out to be shite and you bin them off after one year.
So we've always preferred to try to structure a bonus that can easily be earned at the end of the first year (and typically will remain due even if the player leaves after 12 months, so it's basically guaranteed from his perspective).
There's a crazy tension with the FA in that they insist that signing on fees are paid in each year of the contract, and they won't entertain a one-off, up-front payment at the start of a contract. So in the case of the easily earned, year-one bonus, you still can't pay it until after the end of the season. They don't like players getting a big lump sum up-front, but they don't mind if it's paid every year. Which makes zero sense, but also tends to deter clubs from agreeing them.
There was one deal we did where the player didn't join us immediately and we arranged for his existing club to pay him a one-off bonus which we funded by an extra transfer fee (the bonus essentially enhanced his wages in that season to what they would have been if he'd joined us immediately). In that case the other club was overseas so they had more flexibility.
I think we did agree to signing-on fees on a couple of Bosman's - the signing-on fee substituted for the transfer fee and also enabled us to keep the core, weekly wage more in line with the rest of the squad. Madrid have apparently done this to the extreme with Mbappe.
That's for players. For staff / coaches, where there's total flexibility, I don't believe they'd have an issue doing it.
 
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