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I am sure plenty of posters here will want to tell him to get to fuck

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Phil Thompson has made a passionate plea to Liverpool's owners to sell amidst reports that failure to qualify for the Champions League could cost the club up to £25 million.

In an exclusive interview with Click Liverpool, the Kop hero gave his damning verdict on the turmoil that has plagued Anfield since the takeover by George Gillett and Tom Hicks in February 2007.

The Reds currently find themselves £237 million in debt and could miss out on between £20-£25M in revenue should they fail to qualify for Europe's premier club competition next season, which follows news that they could also be forced to repay continental grants.

If the planned new stadium in Stanley Park is not built, the club face the prospect of having to cough up the £8.2 million they secured from the European Regional Development Fund in conjunction with Liverpool City Council to make improvements to the site that would allow work to begin.

But a series of financial setbacks have left the project indefinitely on hold with Christian Purslow, the club's managing director, currently seeking an investment of at least £100 million to reduce the debt owed to the Royal Bank of Scotland following a refinancing agreement.

The Americans have come under heavy fire from Liverpool supporters and those flames have been fanned further after ex-player and lifelong fan Thompson, 56, called for the pair to leave following a series of broken promises made upon their arrival three years ago.

He said: "We wanted our new stadium well before Arsenal, but they've now got a 60,000-seater stadium that they’re filling every week and are taking in vast amounts of money every week compared to what we are.

"The club, the stadium and what's happening on the field just seems to be secondary in the Americans’ minds. They're all about money and getting the debt down which shouldn't have been there in the first place.

"When they came in I was one of those who thought that they were saying the right things but they didn't keep to their word of having a spade in the ground after 60 days and not heaping debt on the football club.

"They've been offered decent money [to sell]. If they can't see the future and if they're not going to invest in the team, whether it's Rafa Benitez or somebody else, they're not magicians and you can't work [like that] at the top of the Premiership."

A disappointing campaign has seen pressure mount on manager Benitez after Liverpool have failed to build on last season's finish as Premier League runners up.

Thompson, the club's assistant manager between 1999 and 2004, feels that the Kop boss has been forced to balance the books after failing to be backed fully in the transfer market by the Anfield chiefs.

"I can remember myself and Gérard Houllier being given a budget in the summer of £12 million," he revealed.

"That’s not a lot of money but we did it, we got by. We bought some decent players, and some bad ones as well, but I think Rafa's not had any money to spend last summer and no money to spend in January.

"We're a team who finished second last year and that was a chance to consolidate our position.

"People say that we’ve spent £40 million but we’ve also recouped that £40 million so [effectively] Rafa's spent nothing and that's wrong. There should have been money in the kitty for the manager to spend.

“The only thing we as fans can see that they're paying off the debt while we as a football club and a team suffer, and that is wrong. it should be all about the football team.

"They have to have a serious look at what they have been doing and if they haven't got the commitment to invest in the team as Rafa and the supporters see fit, they've got completely different views."

Kirkby-born Thompson, who captained Liverpool to European Cup glory in 1981, called on senior players to speak out against the current regime after Fernando Torres hinted that he would consider a future away from Anfield if the club did not sign reinforcements this summer.

He added: "Fernando Torres said he didn't want to be fighting for fourth place every year and he is absolutely bang on. He's a player, a foreign player, who has come to the club. They have to listen to him.

“He and Stevie Gerrard should be saying 'if you're not going to invest, why would we want to remain here?' They need to give them some ultimatums."

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/128505-exclusive-kop-legend-speaks-out-as-liverpool-fc-face-fresh-financial-threat.html
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39490.msg1076257#msg1076257 date=1269513019]
I always liked thommo 🙂
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me too but his comments don't fit the agenda that it's all Rafa's fault so i'm waiting for the same posters who told me to fuck off or called me a fucking retard to get stuck into our european cup winning captain for making similar points
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39490.msg1076261#msg1076261 date=1269513408]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39490.msg1076257#msg1076257 date=1269513019]
I always liked thommo 🙂
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me too but his comments don't fit the agenda that it's all Rafa's fault so i'm waiting for the same posters who told me to fuck off or called me a fucking retard to get stuck into our european cup winning captain for making similar points


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why do you even care what someone calls you on an internet forum?
 
Thommo is entitled to his opinion and broadly I don't think that many would disagree with many of his points.

What you have to realise Rebel is that criticising Benitez is not the same as defending the owners. They can both share the blame you know.

Everyone would have liked to have had a new stadium and everyone would have wanted more money invested in the side, but that doesn't mean that many of the criticisms of Benitez are not valid.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39490.msg1076261#msg1076261 date=1269513408]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39490.msg1076257#msg1076257 date=1269513019]
I always liked thommo 🙂
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me too but his comments don't fit the agenda that it's all Rafa's fault so i'm waiting for the same posters who told me to fuck off or called me a fucking retard to get stuck into our european cup winning captain for making similar points


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Thommo is a red through and through but that doesn't make him right about everything. Let's face it, he's not the brightest spark. Besides, I really don't think anarchy is what this club needs right now.

And your (well-deserved) reputation for being a hapless moron is one you've cultivated over many years. It's not simply based on your increasingly ridiculous stance where Rafa is concerned.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39490.msg1076267#msg1076267 date=1269514025]
And your (well-deserved) reputation for being a hapless moron is one you've cultivated over many years. It's not simply based on your increasingly ridiculous stance where Rafa is concerned.
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To be fair, I really thought Rebel was coming away from that.. until recent posts.
 
It's Benitez's fault we're where we are in the league
It's the owners fault Benitez is still here
It's the fans fault the owners decided to keep Benitez
It's Benitez's ability to flatter to deceive that enamoured fans to complain about his potential sacking and backed him against the owners
It's the owners fault for backing down and giving a new contract to the man who flattered to deceive
Is my opinion
Everyone is to blame

But mostly rafa
Or something else obvious
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076265#msg1076265 date=1269514018]
Thommo is entitled to his opinion and broadly I don't think that many would disagree with many of his points.

What you have to realise Rebel is that criticising Benitez is not the same as defending the owners. They can both share the blame you know.

Everyone would have liked to have had a new stadium and everyone would have wanted more money invested in the side, but that doesn't mean that many of the criticisms of Benitez are not valid.
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I think thats fair enough Richey.

Reading a lot of the posts on here recently though, you'd find it difficult to not to get the distinct impression that many blame Rafa for EVERYTHING.
 
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076265#msg1076265 date=1269514018]
Thommo is entitled to his opinion and broadly I don't think that many would disagree with many of his points.

What you have to realise Rebel is that criticising Benitez is not the same as defending the owners. They can both share the blame you know.

Everyone would have liked to have had a new stadium and everyone would have wanted more money invested in the side, but that doesn't mean that many of the criticisms of Benitez are not valid.
[/quote]

I think thats fair enough Richey.

Reading a lot of the posts on here recently though, you'd find it difficult to not to get the distinct impression that many blame Rafa for EVERYTHING.
[/quote]

But by the same token there are some who are keen to present the case that Benitez is to blame for nothing and that everything is the fault of the owners, and it seems that Benitez himself is keen to cultivate this kind of view.

If someone who has clearly made mistakes refuses to acknowledge them it makes it a lot easier to blame them.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39490.msg1076253#msg1076253 date=1269512864]

"They've been offered decent money [to sell]. If they can't see the future and if they're not going to invest in the team, whether it's Rafa Benitez or somebody else, they're not magicians and you can't work [like that] at the top of the Premiership."

.......

Thompson, the club's assistant manager between 1999 and 2004, feels that the Kop boss has been forced to balance the books after failing to be backed fully in the transfer market by the Anfield chiefs.
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"That’s not a lot of money but we did it, we got by. We bought some decent players, and some bad ones as well, but I think Rafa's not had any money to spend last summer and no money to spend in January.

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"People say that we’ve spent £40 million but we’ve also recouped that £40 million so [effectively] Rafa's spent nothing and that's wrong. There should have been money in the kitty for the manager to spend.

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“The only thing we as fans can see that they're paying off the debt while we as a football club and a team suffer, and that is wrong. it should be all about the football team.

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Kirkby-born Thompson, who captained Liverpool to European Cup glory in 1981, called on senior players to speak out against the current regime after Fernando Torres hinted that he would consider a future away from Anfield if the club did not sign reinforcements this summer.

He added: "Fernando Torres said he didn't want to be fighting for fourth place every year and he is absolutely bang on. He's a player, a foreign player, who has come to the club. They have to listen to him. “He and Stevie Gerrard should be saying 'if you're not going to invest, why would we want to remain here?' They need to give them some ultimatums."


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Bang on Thommo!
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39490.msg1076261#msg1076261 date=1269513408]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39490.msg1076257#msg1076257 date=1269513019]
I always liked thommo 🙂
[/quote]

me too but his comments don't fit the agenda that it's all Rafa's fault so i'm waiting for the same posters who told me to fuck off or called me a fucking retard to get stuck into our european cup winning captain for making similar points


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why do you even care what someone calls you on an internet forum?
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I dont really care but I like to point out the hypocrisy.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076281#msg1076281 date=1269516804]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39490.msg1076277#msg1076277 date=1269516252]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076265#msg1076265 date=1269514018]
Thommo is entitled to his opinion and broadly I don't think that many would disagree with many of his points.

What you have to realise Rebel is that criticising Benitez is not the same as defending the owners. They can both share the blame you know.

Everyone would have liked to have had a new stadium and everyone would have wanted more money invested in the side, but that doesn't mean that many of the criticisms of Benitez are not valid.
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I think thats fair enough Richey.

Reading a lot of the posts on here recently though, you'd find it difficult to not to get the distinct impression that many blame Rafa for EVERYTHING.
[/quote]

But by the same token there are some who are keen to present the case that Benitez is to blame for nothing and that everything is the fault of the owners, and it seems that Benitez himself is keen to cultivate this kind of view.

If someone who has clearly made mistakes refuses to acknowledge them it makes it a lot easier to blame them.
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Like who mate? i honestly can't think of a single poster who thinks that Rafa is blameless.

I would agree that he's certainly used this excuse in the past (in public), which maybe he shouldn't have done so often. But i can't think of too may occasions that thats been the case this season.
 
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076281#msg1076281 date=1269516804]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39490.msg1076277#msg1076277 date=1269516252]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076265#msg1076265 date=1269514018]
Thommo is entitled to his opinion and broadly I don't think that many would disagree with many of his points.

What you have to realise Rebel is that criticising Benitez is not the same as defending the owners. They can both share the blame you know.

Everyone would have liked to have had a new stadium and everyone would have wanted more money invested in the side, but that doesn't mean that many of the criticisms of Benitez are not valid.
[/quote]

I think thats fair enough Richey.

Reading a lot of the posts on here recently though, you'd find it difficult to not to get the distinct impression that many blame Rafa for EVERYTHING.
[/quote]

But by the same token there are some who are keen to present the case that Benitez is to blame for nothing and that everything is the fault of the owners, and it seems that Benitez himself is keen to cultivate this kind of view.

If someone who has clearly made mistakes refuses to acknowledge them it makes it a lot easier to blame them.
[/quote]


Like who mate? i honestly can't think of a single poster who thinks that Rafa is blameless.

I would agree that he's certainly used this excuse in the past (in public), which maybe he shouldn't have done so often. But i can't think of too may occasions that thats been the case this season.



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Rebel more or less does. He always comes back with a defence for Benitez no matter what you throw his way. We mentioned the £40m wasted in the other thread, and the response was regards him getting £15m back on Keane and not being able to spend it.

Wood, trees.
 
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076281#msg1076281 date=1269516804]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39490.msg1076277#msg1076277 date=1269516252]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=39490.msg1076265#msg1076265 date=1269514018]
Thommo is entitled to his opinion and broadly I don't think that many would disagree with many of his points.

What you have to realise Rebel is that criticising Benitez is not the same as defending the owners. They can both share the blame you know.

Everyone would have liked to have had a new stadium and everyone would have wanted more money invested in the side, but that doesn't mean that many of the criticisms of Benitez are not valid.
[/quote]

I think thats fair enough Richey.

Reading a lot of the posts on here recently though, you'd find it difficult to not to get the distinct impression that many blame Rafa for EVERYTHING.
[/quote]

But by the same token there are some who are keen to present the case that Benitez is to blame for nothing and that everything is the fault of the owners, and it seems that Benitez himself is keen to cultivate this kind of view.

If someone who has clearly made mistakes refuses to acknowledge them it makes it a lot easier to blame them.
[/quote]


Like who mate? i honestly can't think of a single poster who thinks that Rafa is blameless?

I would agree that he's certainly used this excuse in the past (in public), which maybe he shouldn't have done so often. But i can't think of too may occasions that thats been the case this season.



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Maybe not totally blameless but there are certainly a number who seem to disregard his failings and focus purely upon those of the owners (even going as far as presenting their theories as fact in order to press these points home). Rebel is obviously one of those and there are a few others who I shall not name, mostly because I can't recall exactly who has said what and would not like to label people unfairly.

He hasn't come out and admitted any mistake on his part though has he? Maybe you don't think he should but IMO people are more willing to accept someone who can hold their hands up and say they have done something wrong because that suggests that person is at least honest. If its gralringly obvious that someone has fucked up but they refuse to acknowledge it then you are just faced with someone who not only fucks up but is also dishonest about it!!
 
Haha what a shite thread.
Oh tommo says Rafa's blameless! Must be fucking so then musnt it.
The point is TOMMO that EVEN though he had to sell 60m worth of players to buy his top targets, his top targets were an attacking right back (Johnson) an Italian midfielder who has been injured all season and a striker who played in the same position as the best player in our team (keane).
Yeah that's the owners fault. His list of shit signings is fucking endless and only a blind, blinkered fucking cunt would have the balls to stick up for him regarding transfers.
If he sold 60m worth of players and did what we all wanted him to (strengthen our creative options Villa, Silva, Young, Joaquin, Simao etc) and we didn't win the league then he may have a case, he doesn't it's a shit argument perpetuated by fucking simpletons.
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=39490.msg1076278#msg1076278 date=1269516357]
I blame Rebel
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I blame the CIA.
 
To be fair to Tommo, ignore Rebel and his fuckwittery, and look at what he's trying to do here.

Is he looking at a fair and balanced view regarding the trials and tribulations of our current season in an even handed manner? No.

What he's doing is focussing some attention back on the ownership issue rather than the gang fuck that is our performance on the pitch this season - and I'm glad he is too.

Perfect world - owners fuck off, Rafa takes a position somewhere else that will be better for his mental state, new owners come in and provide sustainable financial backin got new manager.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=39490.msg1076301#msg1076301 date=1269519252]
To be fair to Tommo, ignore Rebel and his fuckwittery, and look at what he's trying to do here.

Is he looking at a fair and balanced view regarding the trials and tribulations of our current season in an even handed manner? No.

What he's doing is focussing some attention back on the ownership issue rather than the gang fuck that is our performance on the pitch this season - and I'm glad he is too.

Perfect world - owners fuck off, Rafa takes a position somewhere else that will be better for his mental state, new owners come in and provide sustainable financial backin got new manager.
[/quote]I wouldn't be against that. I think the point for me is that regardless of who was running the club and how much money was available, I would still want Rafa to go as I have utterly no faith in him spending 100m wisely.
And I'm really dissappointed that Pacheco, Dalle Valle, Eccleston etc havnt been given a chance this year.
Yes ideally new owners the whole shebang but the minimum expectation has to be that the leader of a team that has fallen apart falls on his sword.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39490.msg1076297#msg1076297 date=1269518425]
Haha what a shite thread.
Oh tommo says Rafa's blameless! Must be fucking so then musnt it.
The point is TOMMO that EVEN though he had to sell 60m worth of players to buy his top targets, his top targets were an attacking right back (Johnson) an Italian midfielder who has been injured all season and a striker who played in the same position as the best player in our team (keane).
Yeah that's the owners fault. His list of shit signings is fucking endless and only a blind, blinkered fucking cunt would have the balls to stick up for him regarding transfers.
If he sold 60m worth of players and did what we all wanted him to (strengthen our creative options Villa, Silva, Young, Joaquin, Simao etc) and we didn't win the league then he may have a case, he doesn't it's a shit argument perpetuated by fucking simpletons.
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I thought you were made up when we signed Keane, Aquilani and Johnson?
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39490.msg1076307#msg1076307 date=1269520107]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39490.msg1076297#msg1076297 date=1269518425]
Haha what a shite thread.
Oh tommo says Rafa's blameless! Must be fucking so then musnt it.
The point is TOMMO that EVEN though he had to sell 60m worth of players to buy his top targets, his top targets were an attacking right back (Johnson) an Italian midfielder who has been injured all season and a striker who played in the same position as the best player in our team (keane).
Yeah that's the owners fault. His list of shit signings is fucking endless and only a blind, blinkered fucking cunt would have the balls to stick up for him regarding transfers.
If he sold 60m worth of players and did what we all wanted him to (strengthen our creative options Villa, Silva, Young, Joaquin, Simao etc) and we didn't win the league then he may have a case, he doesn't it's a shit argument perpetuated by fucking simpletons.
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I thought you were made up when we signed Keane, Aquilani and Johnson?
[/quote]I was. Still am with two of them. But I never once thought there wouldn't be an offensive signing last summer, or that Keane would be mentally raped by Rafa.
I'm not in any way saying they aren't good players, and I was (at the time) happy we signed all of them. But if I had signed them and only them and had the season we just have, I'd fully expect the sack for being fucking useless, signing the wrong players, and failing to get the best out of any of them once I did.
Difference being I would have played Keane and Aquilani and maybe things would be different.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39490.msg1076306#msg1076306 date=1269519796]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=39490.msg1076301#msg1076301 date=1269519252]
To be fair to Tommo, ignore Rebel and his fuckwittery, and look at what he's trying to do here.

Is he looking at a fair and balanced view regarding the trials and tribulations of our current season in an even handed manner? No.

What he's doing is focussing some attention back on the ownership issue rather than the gang fuck that is our performance on the pitch this season - and I'm glad he is too.

Perfect world - owners fuck off, Rafa takes a position somewhere else that will be better for his mental state, new owners come in and provide sustainable financial backin got new manager.
[/quote]I wouldn't be against that. I think the point for me is that regardless of who was running the club and how much money was available, I would still want Rafa to go as I have utterly no faith in him spending 100m wisely.
And I'm really dissappointed that Pacheco, Dalle Valle, Eccleston etc havnt been given a chance this year.
Yes ideally new owners the whole shebang but the minimum expectation has to be that the leader of a team that has fallen apart falls on his sword.
[/quote]

Are you for real? Are you seriously disappointed that Rafa hasn't thrown in untried, untested, inexperienced professional kids?
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=39490.msg1076301#msg1076301 date=1269519252]
To be fair to Tommo, ignore Rebel and his fuckwittery, and look at what he's trying to do here.

Is he looking at a fair and balanced view regarding the trials and tribulations of our current season in an even handed manner? No.

What he's doing is focussing some attention back on the ownership issue rather than the gang fuck that is our performance on the pitch this season - and I'm glad he is too.

Perfect world - owners fuck off, Rafa takes a position somewhere else that will be better for his mental state, new owners come in and provide sustainable financial backin got new manager.
[/quote]I wouldn't be against that. I think the point for me is that regardless of who was running the club and how much money was available, I would still want Rafa to go as I have utterly no faith in him spending 100m wisely.
And I'm really dissappointed that Pacheco, Dalle Valle, Eccleston etc havnt been given a chance this year.
Yes ideally new owners the whole shebang but the minimum expectation has to be that the leader of a team that has fallen apart falls on his sword.
[/quote]

Are you for real? Are you seriously disappointed that Rafa hasn't thrown in untried, untested, inexperienced professional kids?

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Show some perspective. The team on the pitch each week isn't performing. Posters like yourself who back Rafa would probably say that's down to the players, so what do we do to rectify that? A player like Pacheco comes in, puts in a brilliant cameo and then is nowhere to be seen again. How is that 'good' management? He should be encouraging youngsters with appearances, then when they make the most of that appearance, the manager should build on that by giving them further opportunities, he hasn't.

No one is saying we're in a position to throw in rookies week in week out, but when the team is under-performing, and especially when short on numbers anyway, players on the fringe of things, and in our case that means youngsters like Pacheco, should be getting more chances.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39490.msg1076391#msg1076391 date=1269529248]
He plays that young hapless cunt Insua week in week out.


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Only cos we've got no fucker else.
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39490.msg1076391#msg1076391 date=1269529248]
He plays that young hapless cunt Insua week in week out.


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Only cos we've got no fucker else.
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Because of his shit transfer policy.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39490.msg1076396#msg1076396 date=1269529414]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39490.msg1076391#msg1076391 date=1269529248]
He plays that young hapless cunt Insua week in week out.


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Only cos we've got no fucker else.
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Because of his shit transfer policy.
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Exactly.


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