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The Suarez replacement

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dmishra said:
I think people here are focusing too much on replacing Suarez the goalscorer. He's much more than that - a real meat and potatoes player if you will. The attack is built around him because he plays so many roles - back-to-goal, facing the goal, pulling defenders out on the wing. It's his work rate, skill, movement and desire to win (rather than just his goals) that makes him so special and so difficult to replace.

We already have someone who can be as good a goalscorer (if not better) in Sturridge. I can't imagine why then we'd want no. 9's like Lukaku and Bony and Martinez to replace him. We need a versatile attacking player who'd take up a large chunk of the work rate volume in the attacking third. Reus, Markovic and Sanchez seem to be much more players of that ilk.
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I'm not quite sure about the idea of a "meat and potatoes player" (though Rooney immediately springs to mind) but otherwise I agree.

I don't understand the thinking behind bringing in players that would either force Sturridge out wide or the team as a whole into playing with a more traditional strike partnership.

Suarez was / is a force of nature on the field and as amazing as his goal scoring record was we need someone who can bring that urgency and creative spark as much as the goals.
 
Let's face it, if we don't get Sanchez, then we'll have to have something pretty amazing up our sleeves to stop us feeling like we've been shafted.
 
mark1975 said:
Let's face it, if we don't get Sanchez, then we'll have to have something pretty amazing up our sleeves to stop us feeling like we've been shafted.
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Definitely.

That said, I want us to have something pretty amazing up our sleeves even if we do sign Sanchez. I think Sanchez is a really good player and will be pleased to get him but I want us to sign the player that will become our next superstar. Unlike Buddha I don't think Sanchez will be that for us.
 
keniget said:
Definitely.

That said, I want us to have something pretty amazing up our sleeves even if we do sign Sanchez. I think Sanchez is a really good player and will be pleased to get him but I want us to sign the player that will become our next superstar. Unlike Buddha I don't think Sanchez will be that for us.
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We definitely need something along the lines of Sanchez +1, we need another top brass attacker/striker I reckon, two if we don't get Sanchez..
 
He must be injured. Didn;t start and they;ve out on two attacking subs since without an appearance.
 
Cerberus said:
Why? He can hold up the ball. Can beat a player and obviously knows where the goal is.
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Because we've suffered badly over the years, from Uncle Roy's time onwards, through this kind of tinkering around with players' positions. Buy him to play him in his position, or buy someone else who's a natural striker. Anything else is a fool's errand.
 
Judge Jules said:
Because we've suffered badly over the years, from Uncle Roy's time onwards, through this kind of tinkering around with players' positions. Buy him to play him in his position, or buy someone else who plays there naturally. Anything else is a fool's errand.
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Can't agree..

Notable:
Theirry Henry
Messi
Schweinsteger
Yaya Toure (played primarily at DM most of his career)

This season alone:
Lahm

In our very own team:
Gerrard
Sterling

Even Suarez played as a LWF a lot of the time at Ajax.
 
Cerberus said:
Can't agree..

Notable:
Theirry Henry
Messi
Schweinsteger
Yaya Toure (played primarily at DM most of his career)

This season alone:
Lahm

In our very own team:
Gerrard
Sterling

Even Suarez played as a LWF a lot of the time at Ajax.
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We'll have to agree to differ. Taking your list in order:

Henry was poor out wide in Italy;
Messi's always played across the front line (as did Suarez in Holland - when he played LW that was his starting position only);
Schweinsteiger moved infield as he's got older, though he's made a great success of it;
Yaya's always been an all-rounder (including playing at CB in a CL final);
Lahm's been moved back to fullback by Germany;
Stevie's not been a total success in that deeper role IMO (far less so than Schweinsteiger for example);
Sterling still describes RW as his position, though he's young enough to go on to play either role to a high level.

It's true that changing a player's position can be a very successful response to an unexpected need, but deliberately buying a player who's already successful in one role with the intention of switching him to another role isn't a policy I'd ever be happy with. Roy Evans did it a lot, and too many decent players' careers ground to a halt as a result. GH did it to an extent as well, with largely the same results.
 
Judge Jules said:
We'll have to agree to differ. Taking your list in order:

Henry was poor out wide in Italy;
Messi's always played across the front line (as did Suarez in Holland - when he played LW that was his starting position only);
Schweinsteiger moved infield as he's got older, though he's made a great success of it;
Yaya's always been an all-rounder (including playing at CB in a CL final);
Lahm's been moved back to fullback by Germany;
Stevie's not been a total success in that deeper role IMO (far less so than Schweinsteiger for example);
Sterling still describes RW as his position, though he's young enough to go on to play either role to a high level.

It's true that changing a player's position can be a very successful response to an unexpected need, but deliberately buying a player who's already successful in one role with the intention of switching him to another role isn't a policy I'd ever be happy with. Roy Evans did it a lot, and too many decent players' careers ground to a halt as a result. GH did it to an extent as well, with largely the same results.
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Firmino is currently an AM at Hoffenheim. From what I have seen of him he looks like he could play across the front line. We currently have a shortage of available world class attackers willing to sign for us (or so it would seem). All I'm saying is maybe we should think outside the box. Sign someone up and coming who has similar attributes to Suarez and might end up just being a goal machine. In the hands of a good tactical manager it could prove fruitful (and ultimately financially beneficial).
 
Cerberus said:
Firmino is currently an AM at Hoffenheim. From what I have seen of him he looks like he could play across the front line. We currently have a shortage of available world class attackers willing to sign for us (or so it would seem). All I'm saying is maybe we should think outside the box. Sign someone up and coming who has similar attributes to Suarez and might end up just being a goal machine. In the hands of a good tactical manager it could prove fruitful (and ultimately financially beneficial).
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He has been linked with us a few weeks ago.
 
Judge Jules said:
We'll have to agree to differ. Taking your list in order:

Henry was poor out wide in Italy;
Messi's always played across the front line (as did Suarez in Holland - when he played LW that was his starting position only);
Schweinsteiger moved infield as he's got older, though he's made a great success of it;
Yaya's always been an all-rounder (including playing at CB in a CL final);
Lahm's been moved back to fullback by Germany;
Stevie's not been a total success in that deeper role IMO (far less so than Schweinsteiger for example);
Sterling still describes RW as his position, though he's young enough to go on to play either role to a high level.

It's true that changing a player's position can be a very successful response to an unexpected need, but deliberately buying a player who's already successful in one role with the intention of switching him to another role isn't a policy I'd ever be happy with. Roy Evans did it a lot, and too many decent players' careers ground to a halt as a result. GH did it to an extent as well, with largely the same results.
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I think Sanchez looks like he has the attributes though to do what Cerb is saying, a wide forward who's a good finisher and has that small centre of strength that Suarez has. At worst he could play wide/off Sturridge, at best we could unearth another real quality forward.

You're right about Evans though, look at the state McAteer ended up in.
 
Judge Jules said:
We'll have to agree to differ. Taking your list in order:

Henry was poor out wide in Italy;
Messi's always played across the front line (as did Suarez in Holland - when he played LW that was his starting position only);
Schweinsteiger moved infield as he's got older, though he's made a great success of it;
Yaya's always been an all-rounder (including playing at CB in a CL final);
Lahm's been moved back to fullback by Germany;
Stevie's not been a total success in that deeper role IMO (far less so than Schweinsteiger for example);
Sterling still describes RW as his position, though he's young enough to go on to play either role to a high level.

It's true that changing a player's position can be a very successful response to an unexpected need, but deliberately buying a player who's already successful in one role with the intention of switching him to another role isn't a policy I'd ever be happy with. Roy Evans did it a lot, and too many decent players' careers ground to a halt as a result. GH did it to an extent as well, with largely the same results.
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I agree that it's not a good policy generally speaking but still worth a look at on a case by case basis.

The problem with GH, for example, was that he was more rigid in his approach, there wasn't an overarching plan to what he was doing rather short-term tinkering and the players he bought weren't that good so moving them about was always going to yield limited results.

These days a lot of teams play in quite a fluid way if you know what I mean and players aren't as tied down to one particular role as perhaps they used to be in the past and are more used to being shunted about the pitch.
 
Cerberus said:
Why? He can hold up the ball. Can beat a player and obviously knows where the goal is.
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i think he is CAM and he should play in that position. You can not sign a player for positon X and then play him in Y. It is a different matter when situation demands and you put him in that position for 1 game, just to have an tactical advantage and give him a very specific role. And by chance if he performs something extra ordinary there, you can take chance to play him there. And if he fails, people will be all over him that he is a failure. eg. Sahin

I think i specially said 'no' for CF position, it is just my opinion that he wont be able to perform as a solo striker. May be as a SS if needed but he is a proper midfielder.
 
redhorizon2 said:
This I agree with but what would he cost, he is 30? According to wiki his salary is €5.5m (which if true we could easily up). Where ever he moves next he would want a 4 year contract.
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Yea 30.5 I'm not sure he can replicate it for 40+ games a season but he always seems to turn up when he's needed most. Probably not a good move but a nice thought.
 
AS reporting that Monaco has set James Rodriguez price at 80m euro (roughly 63m).

Spunk the Suarez cash on the next global superstar?
 
RodrigueZ doesn't solve our problems though. He seems more a
Attacking midfield player not your dynamic 25 a goal season man. Good player no doubt but not what we need.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned or quoted, but I really liked the article at the weekend that referenced selling Ian Rush - our then superstar - and replacing him with Barnes, Beardsley, and Aldridge.

Another summer like that would work.
 
It's looking right now that we're 'replacing' Suarez with a host of talented yoof. We really cannot afford to not get this right ... I really hope we have a player 'similar' to Suarez on our 'target list' ... Otherwise, that cunt will be even more hated than he already is.
 
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