Get off it, Oncy. The "zero difference about intent" bit is garbage pure and simple. Whether you agree with the rule or not, that's what it says.
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Get off it, Oncy. The "zero difference about intent" bit is garbage pure and simple. Whether you agree with the rule or not, that's what it says.
He endangered the safety of a player by kicking him in the head. That supercedes the rule you quoted.
It's a fairly simple red.
It's a fairly simple red.
No, it doesn't and it isn't. Fact. You might think it should, but that's another question altogether.
So every time a ball is in the air a player has the right to try and fly kick it even though another player could be around?
Instead trying to head in corners you have three players outside the box, taking off, leaping up in the air Bruce Lee style trying to kick the ball. If a defender's head in the way, then so be it.
Instead trying to head in corners you have three players outside the box, taking off, leaping up in the air Bruce Lee style trying to kick the ball. If a defender's head in the way, then so be it.
Speak for yourself.
So every time a ball is in the air a player has the right to try and fly kick it even though another player could be around?
Instead trying to head in corners you have three players outside the box, taking off, leaping up in the air Bruce Lee style trying to kick the ball. If a defender's head in the way, then so be it.
Seriously... what the fuck
JJ we arent going to agree. I think its laughable that anyone tries to suggest that it isnt a red or that was poor refereeing. You disagree. Im cool with it. And I dont care to discuss it further, or to argue with you. Opinions vary. Im ok with yours.
I think Pep's take on this is pretty fair - even though he's probably doing so because his team won 5-0 & Moss gave him the other key moment (no foul call on Fernandinho's push on Gini).
It wasn't a red and anyone who claims it was isn't a real Liverpool fan. And I'll fight ye. Outside your house so your wife/ girlfriend/ mammy/ da/ siblings/ dogs can see you get a fucking kicking from a REAL Liverpool fan.
Sorry, you've made your mind up. Oncy or Fabio can fucking have it though. Fucking big style.
Agree with the doc. To many pussies showing up in the wrong corner..... again.
Yup. But that arguments been dismissed because people don't agree with it
It's almost like the rules of the game are filled with as many inconsistencies as major religions
Well if you don't think having your foot up five and a half feet in the air whilst your studs are showing isn't dangerous then I don't know what is. That said, if Mane had been half a second quicker the keeper is cleaning him out. No malice or intent and eyes on the ball etc.. but any dangerous play should be a red this season. There'll be all kinds of refereeing inconsistencies of course but Moss is a card happy gobshite so it was inevitable. No chance it'll be rescinded.
Not just because "They don't agree with it", Fabs. Reading the whole of the rule, not just one bit of it, makes the point clear.
That's a tenable view and I actually have some sympathy with it, but it isn't what Rule 12 says.
I've read the whole rule. And it falls under the serious foul play section, or at least a referees interpretation of it.
Did mane use excessive force to win the ball? Yes, because he could have headed it instead, and he wouldnt have made the same contact
They should just have a rule that states that players should not raise their feet above their shoulders. At least that much is clearcut.
Going by this rule even if Mane had got to the ball first he would have been deem to "endanger" the keeper. Except that the ref would not have shown any card if there was no actual contact, despite the exact same act.
If you believe Mane's tackle was reckless, the way the rule is worded doesn't leave you the option of saying it was "excessive force" as well. To call it that under the terms of the rule you'd have to say he did it on purpose, and he clearly didn't.
SENDING-OFF OFFENCES
A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
- denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
- denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
- serious foul play
- spitting at an opponent or any other person
- violent conduct
- using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
- receiving a second caution in the same match
SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
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Perhaps they should include "and/or" instead of just or.
A majority of serious foul play cards wouldn't stand because they can be 2 of 3 things
It was reckless and dangerous
Yeah i think the same - had he pulled out of the challenge we'd have criticised him. He made a mistake whilst putting in the effort we needed him to. If he gets to that ball first he scores, and we're back in the game.
I wonder whether some of the rush to blame the ref is so people don't have to criticise our best player. But nobody really is criticing Mane.
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