The sending off
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Yeah, we noticed this a while back, didn't we?
It was a Red, every day of the week, unfortunate yes, but defo a Red... We should if anything be talking about how shite our defence was, Klavan in particular and how Klopp sent a message to the rest of the team to down tools with his 'give up' approach after the red card.
Its was disgraceful, in all my years of watching Liverpool, I've never seen anything like it.
It Also highlights how piss poor we are at defending and changing our game to shut the other team out
The fact we never signed a CB, and sold our best CB in the transfer window is the biggest mistake of Klopps tenure so far
Its was disgraceful, in all my years of watching Liverpool, I've never seen anything like it.
It Also highlights how piss poor we are at defending and changing our game to shut the other team out
The fact we never signed a CB, and sold our best CB in the transfer window is the biggest mistake of Klopps tenure so far
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It was a little harsh, but a red can be justified.
Those saying it was "clear red", "every day of the week", "obvious red card", etc are talking out of their hoop though.
If a yellow was given, City would not be in uproar about it and the media would not be endlessly debating whether it should have been a straight red.
Sadio didn't do anything wrong. The ref is card happy, but also couldn't be said to have made a definite error. The keeper was within his rights to come out the way he did.
We were unlucky that the worst possible eventuality transpired, but I don't think anyone was at fault here. It happens.
Those saying it was "clear red", "every day of the week", "obvious red card", etc are talking out of their hoop though.
If a yellow was given, City would not be in uproar about it and the media would not be endlessly debating whether it should have been a straight red.
Sadio didn't do anything wrong. The ref is card happy, but also couldn't be said to have made a definite error. The keeper was within his rights to come out the way he did.
We were unlucky that the worst possible eventuality transpired, but I don't think anyone was at fault here. It happens.
Except fly-kicking a guy in the face.
Yeah, this is probably spot on mate. Still think it was a very harsh red card but can understand it from the refs live match viewpoint.
Would have been interesting to see if he would still have given a red with some help from video technology.
Judging by Clattenburgs comments, he would have given a yellow.
Ive seen this debated far and wide and it does seem very split. So I guess there is no right or wrong in this situation.
As many people as think it was a straight red think it should be a yellow. So im certainly not so arrogant as to claim im right and you all are mad.
It does seem weird to me thats its even under debate given what transpired but I guess the same could be said the other way too.
The ref called it. Lets all move on.
As many people as think it was a straight red think it should be a yellow. So im certainly not so arrogant as to claim im right and you all are mad.
It does seem weird to me thats its even under debate given what transpired but I guess the same could be said the other way too.
The ref called it. Lets all move on.
Nice try. Doc Mac won't be fooled this easily though. You're still gonna get a beating.
You are much less of a Liverpool supporter. I'm standing outside your house.
Yeah yeah, he forgets I know him, he'll waft in in his frilly white blouse quoting Chaucer and speaking verily, then try and stab me with a feathered quill.
Theres only one man I fear on this earth and his name is Skullflower.
Yeah, I can relate. I've also got dogs.
*Waves*
Be miraculous if it did
I think it's time to put away this whole idea that goalkeepers are special and somehow need protecting. Most of that are massive brutes anyway.
So Mane tried to win a fifty ball with his foot up. It was instinctive. He is after all an outfield player. If the main consideration for the dismissal is that the high foot endangered another player's wellbeing, then should we not consider a goalkeeper's fist near a player's head a sending off offence?
The body part capable of causing harm to another player should be the least of considerations.
So Mane tried to win a fifty ball with his foot up. It was instinctive. He is after all an outfield player. If the main consideration for the dismissal is that the high foot endangered another player's wellbeing, then should we not consider a goalkeeper's fist near a player's head a sending off offence?
The body part capable of causing harm to another player should be the least of considerations.
A foot has little need to be at head height
A keepers hand is perfectly entitled to be raised when going for a ball at head height
I'm done now
That's not the point though.
He wasn't sent off because his foot was at the wrong height.
He was sent off for recklessly endangering the wellbeing of another player through his play.
As many have pointed out, had Ederson been another outfield player contesting the ball in midfield, Mane would have received a yellow at best.
He wasn't sent off because his foot was at the wrong height.
He was sent off for recklessly endangering the wellbeing of another player through his play.
As many have pointed out, had Ederson been another outfield player contesting the ball in midfield, Mane would have received a yellow at best.
Near their head? His studs full on landed on the keepers face.
I would think if a player headed the ball and the keeper punched them square in the face missing the ball we should expect a sending off.
I really dont think the height of the foot has anything to do with it. He smashed the keepers face and missed the ball. If it had been the keepers knee I would still expect him to have been sent off.
If he hadnt made contact with the keeper I would be apoplectic about the sending off.
Though it's not the same, he's comparing it to the Ospina/Pedro clash (where Pedro 'fouled' Ospina):
Okay, so you think it's fine for the players to make contact with another's head as Long as it isn't the studs.
The simple solution is to ban the foot above a certain height then if the objective behind the rule is to protect players? But we don't.
It's a split second decision you're asking players to make in an increasingly fast game. If Mane waited to see if Ederson was going to kick it or head it, he would have lost the opportunity of a 50/50 chance. And if say Mane had jumped late resulting in a clash of heads, would it be any less worthy of a sending off?
The simple solution is to ban the foot above a certain height then if the objective behind the rule is to protect players? But we don't.
It's a split second decision you're asking players to make in an increasingly fast game. If Mane waited to see if Ederson was going to kick it or head it, he would have lost the opportunity of a 50/50 chance. And if say Mane had jumped late resulting in a clash of heads, would it be any less worthy of a sending off?
How is it confusing? If the player with the high foot doesnt win the ball and wipes out the opponent its a red. Its fairly simple. A foul is a foul.
Are you talking to me? Because I didnt say anything of the sort.
I really need to stop replying. I genuinely have no clue why people dont think its a red, but I respect that opinions vary.
If I was the ref I would have sent him off. I would also send off any keeper who punches an opponent in the head. Or any player who goes studs up and misses the ball and wipes out a player. Its fairly cut and dried in my head.
But my head is a weird place. Ill admit that.
It's also where the head happens to be. John Terry's bizarre habit of trying to head a ball that's already on the ground would hardly have made it easy for feet to avoid him. The City keeper is about six foot 2; Mane is about five foot six or seven. Even if Mane attempted a ballet stretch his foot shouldn't be higher than the keeper's chest unless the keeper is lowering his head. But this discussion is now in need of being put out of our misery.
It just doesn't make sense that you could do the same action but your dismissal depends on whether your opponent decided to lead with his head or foot.
So Ederson decided to kick it, and Mane caught his foot, oh that's alright then. Caught him in the head? Unlucky, Mane.
It breeds uncertainty.
I caught your reply. I do agree that we should accept that a high foot invites the red card these days though, so that's all from me.
If only it was that simple mate ... Remember Xabi in the '10 world cup? wiped out by a Nigel De Jong boot to the chest - yellow.
Each ref will decide as he sees fit imo.
Also remember momo sissoko in portugal ? Fucked him good that did.
I honestly don't but I'm aging quickly nowadays
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