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The not confirmed, it's really only a rumour transfer thread ;Summer 2012
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I don't want to get into the detail of the argument over Alonso again, but that's a VERY slanted version of a sad business from which nobody - including the player - emerged with much credit IMO.
I expect Saint was referring to the fact that Alonso is a Basque and they're not generally known for their fondness for Real.
I expect Saint was referring to the fact that Alonso is a Basque and they're not generally known for their fondness for Real.
And ps. Never go back.
I think if the ins and outs looked like this for the remainder of the window then it would be classified as a successful summer.
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Carroll
Ins:
I know you cant really think that going into a season fighting for 4 trophies and top 4 with just Suarez and Borini to play up front is a good idea.
But still lol.
Dont be so fucking daft.
I get that you think Carroll isnt a fit, but you cant possibly think NOT getting an alternative in is a good idea.
An injury to Suarez and our season is over before its begun.
United:Hernandez, Rooney, Berbatov, Wellbeck, RVP?
Arsenal😛odolski, Giroud, Chamakh, Walcott, Bendtner, Arshavin
Chelsea:Torres, Sturridge........oooh thats a bit worrying too isnt it?
Citeh😀zeko, Tevez, Aguero, Balotelli, Adebayor
Us:Suarez, Borini
I'd love Alonso back. Can't see him going to another Premiership team. However, money talks.
As for Walcott, for 15M I'd rather we stick with Sterling. Raheem will only get better with greater exposure and game time. We still need another striker who can do the business. How about a young german sensation?
As for Walcott, for 15M I'd rather we stick with Sterling. Raheem will only get better with greater exposure and game time. We still need another striker who can do the business. How about a young german sensation?
He scored 9 and assited 11, thats one of the best in the league for a winger, people have a natural aversion to him on here, i can't understand why. Probably because he isn't stylish enough or something like that, but as a wing forward in our formation, he'd be deadly.
just you wait, theres still a chance for a spectacular return in january when he'll get 3 assists every game
Exactly. The most important thing here is that he's proven to score goals and assist goals, and if Scott Sinclair is anything to go by, Rodgers would be able to work great with him.
I disagree and this has nothing to do with him being English. I'm not gonna say that we don't need a quick and direct player on the right, 'cause we need all the help we can get. But IMO we need another creative technical player on the right. A left footed Suarez clone if you will. Now I might be repeating myself but I'm not budging. We already have a quick and direct player in Sterling, so I don't see the point in paying £10 or so million for Walcott, even though Sterling isn't quite ready to start games. Then there's Downing, he isn't going anywhere it seems.
Walcott for ten mill would-be a great deal.
It would be a great deal, if Jovetic, Belhanda, Tello or Boudabouz is signed before that.
Sinclair is not a world beater but he does seem to be able to get past people from a standing start. Whenever I've watched Walcott it always seems to me that he struggles for ideas when he finds himself in tight spaces and yearns for space to run into. Similarly Downing would almost certainly be more effective in a team that counter-attacks rather than plays possession football.
Depending on how we end up playing we may find Walcott doesn't contribute all we'd hoped. You look at Barcelona and players like Pedro and Sanchez have been incredibly effective for them at times by giving them pace out wide and more options at running in behind.
The key is game intelligence (hi Rafa), top class movement and players who can unlock defences (Gerrard and hopefully Allen). At Barca the system has been perfected around those three things. At Arsenal that kind of system is also well entrenched. At Liverpool... well, not so much.
As I've said for about five or six years now, it's great bringing in players who in the right system could be very effective but we've struggled trying to perfect systems for god knows how long now. It's always been the one or two attackers who could make something out of nothing that have kept our heads above water all these years (Gerrard, Owen, Torres and now Suarez). We need one or two more of them. They don't have to be world class necessarily... but we need more players like that.
Depending on how we end up playing we may find Walcott doesn't contribute all we'd hoped. You look at Barcelona and players like Pedro and Sanchez have been incredibly effective for them at times by giving them pace out wide and more options at running in behind.
The key is game intelligence (hi Rafa), top class movement and players who can unlock defences (Gerrard and hopefully Allen). At Barca the system has been perfected around those three things. At Arsenal that kind of system is also well entrenched. At Liverpool... well, not so much.
As I've said for about five or six years now, it's great bringing in players who in the right system could be very effective but we've struggled trying to perfect systems for god knows how long now. It's always been the one or two attackers who could make something out of nothing that have kept our heads above water all these years (Gerrard, Owen, Torres and now Suarez). We need one or two more of them. They don't have to be world class necessarily... but we need more players like that.
Exactly.
And looks like Sahin is leaning towards Arsenal.
So Llorente won't be renewing his contract with Athletic Bilbao.
Look, this isn't really the point I was making. We've struggled for pace against sides in the past, yes we need more creative players but we also lack pace and using a 17 year old kid as an example of us having that quality already is naive. He's young, still learning and lacks the strength to get beyond the defender sometimes. He's going to be eased into the side and plays on the left mostly anyway. He would be ideal. I take Keni's point re him lacking the 'brains' sometimes and struggling in tight situations, we don't want one facet to our play, we want some variation and that probably goes full circle to the Carroll argument, but anyway. He'd be a useful addition. Of course we need some craft, but that doesn't have to be the same arguement here, that can be rectified in another role, as seems the case anyway with our current interest in players like Sahin.
The problem, as it often has been, is that the players we have aren't good enough and therefore the pool of players that are deemed as improvements and useful additions is bigger than it should be. This cycle of spending large sums of money for incremental improvements has really limited us in the past (Rafa was particularly guilty of this and ultimately it was a strategy that contributed to him losing his job).
"Would Walcott improve us?" is the wrong question to be asking. I said it last summer in the Downing threads and I'll say it again now. If we have 15M to spend the question we should be asking is "Who is the best player we can get for 15M?".
If you guys think the answer is Walcott, fair enough. Whilst I agree that Walcott has his qualities and would be highly likely to improve us, I don't think he is the best player we can get for 15M.
"Would Walcott improve us?" is the wrong question to be asking. I said it last summer in the Downing threads and I'll say it again now. If we have 15M to spend the question we should be asking is "Who is the best player we can get for 15M?".
If you guys think the answer is Walcott, fair enough. Whilst I agree that Walcott has his qualities and would be highly likely to improve us, I don't think he is the best player we can get for 15M.
Excellent debate here between Keni & Mark ...
I don't believe Walcott is the best we can get @ 15. We could get Sahin etc at 15 I think. Who would you want at that price?
I don't believe Walcott is the best we can get @ 15. We could get Sahin etc at 15 I think. Who would you want at that price?
I think we shoud be looking for the best forward player we can get. Not the best player.
I understand Sahin is a CM?
So we dont need him. We need another forward. Preferably one who can play across the line.
I dont know who is the best value for 15m im not much of a scout, but Walcott would be a good option, as would Sturridge or Adam Johnson.
I understand Sahin is a CM?
So we dont need him. We need another forward. Preferably one who can play across the line.
I dont know who is the best value for 15m im not much of a scout, but Walcott would be a good option, as would Sturridge or Adam Johnson.
I'd try and get Muniain - he can play that 'wing' position in the 4-3-3. I think Sahin could too, and we NEED something to cover Gerrard for 20-30 games this year.
Those would be the two ... Sturridge is good, but he can only really play in the middle of the 3 I feel b/c he's selfish and wasteful with the ball. I don't want Adam Johnson for 15 mill - City should sell for much less, but he's better than Downing.
Those would be the two ... Sturridge is good, but he can only really play in the middle of the 3 I feel b/c he's selfish and wasteful with the ball. I don't want Adam Johnson for 15 mill - City should sell for much less, but he's better than Downing.
Sturridge played wide right all last year.
Yeah, but he hated it. It's basically why he wants to leave Chavski.
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