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I'm honestly just tired of it. He was quoted as saying that this season is like having to start from scratch on the BBC site. Start from scratch how? And why? I'd understand I'd he'd have just had the kinda exodus that Southampton have just had. But come on. Suarez going was nailed on, he's been here for enough time to already have a few of his signings in and he's just been given a fortune to spend. So if it's like starting from scratch, who's fault is that?
Interesting how it's himself and not the owners saying that he's the right man for the job.
Interesting how it's himself and not the owners saying that he's the right man for the job.
He has a touch of the Avram Grants
Amazing how only 6 months ago he was everything but the fall guy many are making him out to be. From hero to zero in 6 months.
Six Crazy Months.
Six Crazy Months.
I take every bit of "inside info" from Collymore with a tub full of salt, ever since his "sources" said Man City's attempt to sign Kaka from Milan had been successful.
Can we please dispose of the absolute myth that 2005 was "lucky"? No doubt there were instances of luck along the way, but there are for any successful team, and you simply don't beat such a string of good teams on luck alone.
I wouldn't disagree with that, but the thing that really got me is describing 2009 as lucky. What the hell is *that* about??
If we were lucky, Torres and Gerrard would have stayed fit for the entire season.
Yeah, I agree. The twat bit is obvioulsy also very true.
He is? A couple of others has said this aswell.
Rodgers will be gone then. If they sack him they should sack the committee aswell.
Not sure its the right decision re Rodgers. Tough one.
It's like an alcoholic in denial.
I wouldn't give him £120 to spend nevermind £120m. His signings have been abysmal.
I'm not sure it's a defensive coach we need, as such.
There's fuck all a defensive coach or new defenders will do if we play a system that pretty much commits everyone bar the 2 CB's & the GK to attack.
When it works and we're clinical it's great fun. When it doesn't and we're wasteful it's dreadful.
Rodgers doesn't appear to be seeking balance, it's all about the attack for him and if we make the systemic changes necessary to tighten up at the back, we'll lose some of that attacking verve.
There's fuck all a defensive coach or new defenders will do if we play a system that pretty much commits everyone bar the 2 CB's & the GK to attack.
When it works and we're clinical it's great fun. When it doesn't and we're wasteful it's dreadful.
Rodgers doesn't appear to be seeking balance, it's all about the attack for him and if we make the systemic changes necessary to tighten up at the back, we'll lose some of that attacking verve.
I actually don't think many of the signings he made at the start of the season are that bad - they're just young(ish) bar Lamblert & Lallana (who's been good), so there's reason to think they'll offer much more in the future.
It's precisely because there are other things wrong with the set-up, not least that committee, that I don't think it *would* be the right decision at this stage (with one possible exception - see below). If the structure is wrong, no manager will make it work, and we'd have gone through all that disruption for nothing. Either the committee should go or its members should be replaced. Ayre probably also needs to go - I wouldn't mind him staying if he did so purely on the commercial side, but with Hogan now doing that job there presumably wouldn't be room for Ayre as well.
Last but not least, IMO the time has come for a defensive coach. I'm fed up with watching good players - and they *are* good individually - struggle to form a proper defensive unit. If Rodgers can work with the new coach, I'd keep him at least for now. If not, though, that would be an issue on which I would now be willing to let him go.
I think that ultimately, when we went with Rodgers 3 seasons ago, we knew we were getting a manager with a vision and potential but no experience,
And with him he's learning and maturing on the go, and that means seasons like this one but I think that eventually, if we ride these things out with him, we could have an amazing set-up with a very good manager who'll pick the right players and tactics and also buy well in the market.
I'm not saying it will happen quickly, this season is over obviously and it's a shame that Rodgers made so many mistakes along it's way, but it's been shown that he's well capable of understanding he was wrong and switching things up, even if it takes him a while, he has shown he can drop anyone, and he has shown he can change the formation when need be.
What I'm saying essentially is that we should stick with him as we'll reap the fruits eventually. and regardless of that, there is no one out there better than him
And with him he's learning and maturing on the go, and that means seasons like this one but I think that eventually, if we ride these things out with him, we could have an amazing set-up with a very good manager who'll pick the right players and tactics and also buy well in the market.
I'm not saying it will happen quickly, this season is over obviously and it's a shame that Rodgers made so many mistakes along it's way, but it's been shown that he's well capable of understanding he was wrong and switching things up, even if it takes him a while, he has shown he can drop anyone, and he has shown he can change the formation when need be.
What I'm saying essentially is that we should stick with him as we'll reap the fruits eventually. and regardless of that, there is no one out there better than him
I'm looking at the three seasons he's been here. He hasn't bought well.
True. he has got rid of the spine of the team and replaced them With average. The engine room lack Power and muscles and the youngsters has not got any winners to play together With. It is all in all very bad purchases over Three years.
Mignolet's a good keeper IMO but it's now apparent he isn't suited to our style. However, he's one of the players for whom I wouldn't mind betting it's the committee rather than Rodgers which should be answerable.
Think you'd be right there.
The committee have made some awful fuck ups too IMO, so it's not just Rodgers. But I think we need to move more in that direction rather than just go back to letting the manager decide. I don't really know WHY managers seem to make such poor decisions in the market. It always seemed to me that if you knew football then you should be competent to choose good players, but apparently it's just not the case. They just seem to be different enough skills that the same person is rarely good at both, so I think we'd be better having a proper sporting director with a sound track record making those decisions.
There seems to be a bit of talk that De Boer has been lined up to take over, then. Anyone heard anything about this?
Much more emphasis needs to be placed on how the football side of the club is run. There's next to no experience there from Ayre downwards. We've got a transfer committee to identify players but who the hell knows if they all value the same attributes? There needs to be strong direction from that side of things and there isn't, partly because as a club we want to believe in the cult of the manager. We look back at iconic figures such as Paisley et al, but forget the fact that they had the support of Peter Robinson. There's nothing there above the manager - FSG, who seem to still be trying to figure out how football works, given they propose and jettison management structures on whims, Ian Ayre, who seems to think being MD of Liverpool is like wearing a Blue Peter badge. We allow players to in effect become bigger than the club and we allow managers to come in and completely rip up what has come before.
It's nonsense. Until FSG figure out what the hell they're doing, it's not going to matter who is in charge. We'll be stuck with a succession of bright young managers who flog half the squad, sign a load of dross and by the time they leave pretty much mandate the next person to have to do the same.
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