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Few decent sources for info on Twitter are saying there'll be fuck all business done by us in January.

rodgers hinted at that before.

it's a disgrace cos someone should have seen that we were spending the money like cunts in the summer. i certainly did.
 
If you're a fifteen year old LFC fan in your bedroom tippy tapping on twitter I'd say tweeting we'll probably not do much in the window is a sensible risk aversive prediction to make, but it has no real power. We'll get someone if he's available and we can afford him. Good players were hard to get in the summer. They're harder to get now. We'll try.
 
If you're a fifteen year old LFC fan in your bedroom tippy tapping on twitter I'd say tweeting we'll probably not do much in the window is a sensible risk aversive prediction to make, but it has no real power. We'll get someone if he's available and we can afford him. Good players were hard to get in the summer. They're harder to get now. We'll try.

rodgers is fairly candid about these things normally. he seemed to be hinting that we'd blown our load in the summer.
 
I think we could go for a good signing if it was really felt that it WAS a good signing. And that leads us back to the incoherence of the committee...
 
I'm sticking with him on the strength of a truly amazing season last year and that for all the balls-ups this year, if he can produce a side that was up there with the best in Europe once then he can do it again.

He strikes me as someone who does learn from his mistakes and although it's very tempting to change the manager in the hope that some genius will take us back to the top, I just don't think that will happen and instead we go back into that Spurs-style spiral of a new manager every other year with new players in and out of the revolving door.

He now has to be ruthless and pragmatic. We need a new keeper and striker and he has to stop picking players who are way out of form or just not good enough.
 
I think Rodgers has a big ego, all managers do, but unlike other good managers he is not able to control it when it comes to making key decisions or being tactful when talking to the press.

Take what he said about Borini for instance or Pepe Reina in the good bye letter. It just puts liverpool in a tough spot when negotiating their exit with other clubs.

He needs to learn a lot, a lot of what has already been said on team selection, transfer policy etc is correct but unless we have a chance of getting someone like Ancelotti, he is the best man to do the job of steering us in the right direction. We cant afford another X year plan, we need to have some faith and work on the plan we already have.

These are exiting times in terms of youth players coming through, it will probably take just one inspired signing to turn things around....it makes little sense to throw the toys out of the pram...
 
I reckon Martinez would have done much better with the budget Rodgers has had.

I felt that Rodgers was fortunate to have preceded Martinez at Swansea, in that his reputation was enhanced by being the beneficiary of the passing system the latter put in place.

As to the attacking play of that Swansea side he had in their first season in the Premier League, they bore a remarkable resemblance to the insipid dull play of Rodger's first half season with us, when Suarez was out for much of the second, and now this third season. Lots of passing, no real penetration.
 
The transfer committee nonsense needs to be resolved, either Rodgers calls the shots or he doesnt. Given his track record I could understand the board not wanting to give him control but if hes not getting the final say on the transfers, and the Remy/Balotelli debacle suggests hes not, then its bullshit for the committee to hide in the shadows and let the manager take it in the neck for their fuck ups. I think somebody at a very senior level needs to make it clear how the transfers are being decided, whats the point in hiring and firing managers if the same suits are behind the scenes wasting $100m a summer on shite and then washing their hands of it.

I'll give Rodgers til the end of the season to show hes learning from this experience but its got to get better than this, even if we do remove him who could we realistically get it? Ive a feeling the wallets will be tightened with the impending ground expansion to be paid for and reduced match day revenues as a result, what top manager will fancy coming here and trying to dig us out of this position
 
Its frustrating but from what we KNOW, he tried to sign Mykhtharian, Costa, Willian, Sanchez and a couple of others and they all refused to come for one reason and another.
What we know right now is that his or the clubs second choice players look like exactly that.

In his first season he wanted Sturridge and for whatever reason the club failed to back him bit then went and got him in January and things started to turn round.
I hope this January is similar. Theres a lot of quality bosmans who would massively improve us.
Mr Rodgers is hanging on by his finger nails but hes certainly got my patience as his treatment of Gerrard and Lovren has shown me has the bravery to adapt and can see he sides inadequacies.
Hope he sorte it soon.
 
I think a bigger problem is what's going on with the players.

There was a point last night when Markovic was trying to make something happy down the right, but was surrounded by about 3 Basel players.

All the Liverpool players just stood still like statues, waiting for the ball to be passed to, but not offering to run in to or create space.

Markovic had no where to go - his only option was to give the ball away or try to dribble past 3 defenders.

Now.... there's no way Rodgers is running training sessions and organising tactics to kill movement and encourage players to be static - that makes no sense.

That begs the question why? Why are the players not working harder to create and get into space?

They surely can't have fallen out with his methods after last season?

For me it's almost as if half the team decided that last season proved that they're already superstars and that they don't need to put the effort in any more as things will just happen.

Rodgers is making mistakes, but the players sure as he'll Rent helping.
 
Ryan is really upset that Dreamy ended up being right about Basel, but for all of the wrong reasons.
 
The transfer committee nonsense needs to be resolved, either Rodgers calls the shots or he doesnt.


Why? So it's easier for the fans to have someone to blame and we don't have to pretend to understand that modern football clubs are more complicated than one guy at the top calling all the shots?
 
Why? So it's easier for the fans to have someone to blame and we don't have to pretend to understand that modern football clubs are more complicated than one guy at the top calling all the shots?

If thats the case then name the members of the committee, make them accountable and stop hanging the manager for everybody elses decision
 
I'm not really worried who he signs in January.

I'm worried about how and where our defence was lined up for Basel's goal.

I swear they were all standing in the penalty box.
 
I think a bigger problem is what's going on with the players.

There was a point last night when Markovic was trying to make something happy down the right, but was surrounded by about 3 Basel players.

All the Liverpool players just stood still like statues, waiting for the ball to be passed to, but not offering to run in to or create space.

Markovic had no where to go - his only option was to give the ball away or try to dribble past 3 defenders.

Now.... there's no way Rodgers is running training sessions and organising tactics to kill movement and encourage players to be static - that makes no sense.

That begs the question why? Why are the players not working harder to create and get into space?

They surely can't have fallen out with his methods after last season?

For me it's almost as if half the team decided that last season proved that they're already superstars and that they don't need to put the effort in any more as things will just happen.

Rodgers is making mistakes, but the players sure as he'll Rent helping.


I suspect that we are thinking about the same incident with Markovic... he had Gerrard on his right and should've played te ball to him but chose not to. Wrong decision.
 
If thats the case then name the members of the committee, make them accountable and stop hanging the manager for everybody elses decision

He's the public figurehead and it's not like he's without influence so it shouldn't really be an issue.
 
Yeh, the players look low on confidence, half arsed and not the same players they were last season. Maybe now that they cant hide beneath the brilliance of Suarez, the limelight is stunting them. I imagine its much easier to work hard and express yourself when you've got Suarez leading by example and taking all the attention, however I worry it might be something more sinister than that. Maybe they've fallen out with the manager, maybe him sticking by Balotelli has pissed them off, who knows, but something is very wrong in the players minds, and the managers.
 
He's relatively young and spouts endless jargon and geekspeak, so I thought that was supposed to be progress. Anyway, he has until the end of the season to show that last season wasn't a fluke. Then he has to prove that last season's and this season's defensive shambles can be eradicated. Here and now, however, I can't see what any discussion will produce of a constructive nature.

It's not about discussion .. it's called venting and is a stress-release mechanism.
 
I agree with Stevie M and mentioned our dreadful lack of movement all night. Polar opposite to Basel running everywheere
 
it seem like we cant handle that other teams press us. And we seem totaly unable to press the other teams. it actually seem like our players never puts or are put under press at training and seem totally unprepared for that scenario to happen in a game. I Wonder what the fuck we do during training? No move, no press, no tackling. Only rolling the ball between us?
 
We can't know for certain with most of our signings whether it was Rodgers or the transfer Committee who made the decisions. Apart from Joe Allen and Fabio Borini that is, who were surely both Rodgers signings and to think that we wasted 26 million on them two ineffectual clowns is a joke.
 
There are so many things wrong at present that its hard to pinpoint where we start putting it right.
I think the biggest issue at present is that not ONE player is playing at the top of their game.
Thats such a wierd thing and I guess it must come down to confidence.
This time last year Suarez, Sturridge, Raheem, Henderson, Gerrard, Coutinho, Skrtel and Flanagan were ALL putting in top performances week in week out and this season its hard to think of more than one good game a player has had.
Henderson for example looks completely shot to pieces. It wouldnt hurt to 'Rest' some of these players.
I liked what I saw from Markovic last night, I thought he looked brimming with confidence.

Id also like to see 4-4-2 diamond come back because we dont have a Costa we need help up there.


Maybe something like
Jones
Moreno
Skrtel
Lovren
Johnson

Lucas
Can
Lallana
Markovic

Sterling
Lambert

For United.

Doesnt fill me with much hope but Allen, Gerrard and Henderson are providing nothing at either end right now.
 
Allen, Henderson, Gerrard, Lucas. They are all midteam midfielders. Play them all at the same time and they become even worse. It stupid beyond imagination to play them at the same time. No pace, no movement, no vision, no pace. Fucking hell.
 
The gambler in me would take a punt on a Kenny/Rodgers partnership until the end of the season.


That's what it should have been in the first place. Too late now I fear. It would be quite revealing if he left - Pascoe would go with him, so would his gang of analysis geeks, and then who'd be left? Mike Marsh? Mike 'Yes boss' Marsh. That shows how painfully insecure he was when he arrived - he would not countenance anyone with any experience, any natural authority, any real coaching nous, to be around him. FSG should never have accepted that. You only grant that kind of power to a bona fide top manager, and it's significant that bona fide top managers aren't afraid to surround themselves with people good enough to hold the fort (at the very least) when they leave. If he goes now the entire infrastructure will have to be changed. It's that kind of hubris that angered me at the time and it still angers me now. A young manager who ought to have been grateful for the chance at a top club acted like he was a multi-title winning boss of all bosses.
 
That's what it should have been in the first place. Too late now I fear. It would be quite revealing if he left - Pascoe would go with him, so would his gang of analysis geeks, and then who'd be left? Mike Marsh? Mike 'Yes boss' Marsh. That shows how painfully insecure he was when he arrived - he would not countenance anyone with any experience, any natural authority, any real coaching nous, to be around him. FSG should never have accepted that. You only grant that kind of power to a bona fide top manager, and it's significant that bona fide top managers aren't afraid to surround themselves with people good enough to hold the fort (at the very least) when they leave. If he goes now the entire infrastructure will have to be changed. It's that kind of hubris that angered me at the time and it still angers me now. A young manager who ought to have been grateful for the chance at a top club acted like he was a multi-title winning boss of all bosses.


He's a fake it till you make it man. Act like a top manager and you'll be a top manager etc.
 
You know why Mellor and Sinama played such a significant role in the 2004/05 season?
BECAUSE RAFA MADE SURE WE HAD STRIKERS ON THE BENCH EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE FUCKING RESERVES!!!
 
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