The dyke

[Mors]

I was listening to Talksport this morning on the way in and they had the new chairman of the FA on and was quizzing him on his grand speech that he made yesterday, and they let him off quite lightly with the questions I think.

The main one they asked was 'what can you actually do to the premier league and clubs to make them do what you want or enforce it'. His answer was that he has 'big sticks' but he doesn't want to tell people 'what big sticks he has' as it'll give his game away.

So he wants us to win the world cup in 10yrs time. Is that realistic?

The main problem is that there is so many things wrong with the game over here, how we develop the kids, how we allow foreign owners to employ foreign coaches to buy a team full of foreign players, that our national game is knackered. I don't think he has a chance in hell of changing it. For a start, he's making a 'committee' to investigate it, with mainly the people that has got us and kept us in this mess. The old boys. I think he needs to get independent people in.

Look at how the national cricket team is doing now (I don't really follow cricket) but they had independent people in, upset all the county clubs, but we now have loads of good english talent and the national team is blossoming.

Another convenient factor with these targets is that he'll probably be dead by the time he can be judged on them.


What can we do apart from rip it up and start again? I don't think little changes are going to fix it, it's too knackered.


There's a big park by me that had about 6 football pitches on it, and they ripped them about 6 months ago and started digging these strange shaped holes in the ground that none of the locals knew what they were. It transpired that they ruined the kids football digging the footings for stages for a ONE WEEKEND concert featuring fucking jessi J and one direction etc the other weekend. So the kids can't train there or play saturday and sunday games because of one weekend of fucking poxy pop music. God knows if they'll ever get their pitches back.

 

[keniget]

Well to get near winning the World Cup in ten years the current crop of 10-20 year olds need to be shit hot and has enough changed for that to be the case?

I think the FA are far more interested in preserving the status quo then actually achieving anything - look at who they appointed as U21 manager. Jobs for the boys across the board. It wouldn't be so bad if 'the boys' were talented and forward thinking, but they're not.

 

[Mors]

Well to get near winning the World Cup in ten years the current crop of 10-20 year olds need to be shit hot and has enough changed for that to be the case?

I think the FA are far more interested in preserving the status quo then actually achieving anything - look at who they appointed as U21 manager. Jobs for the boys across the board. It wouldn't be so bad if 'the boys' were talented and forward thinking, but they're not.

Exactly. If the current crop of under 21's got loads of game time for the next 10yrs and were first choice for the clubs, I still don't think they'd have a chance. Not playing hodgson football, and a lot aren't good enough. There's a few in there, but they wont develop due to all the foreign players.

 

[Rosco]

Deja vu ..... Didnt Crozier aim for a win by 2006 when he took over in 2000?

Since then you've had five or six managers, probably the same number of FA bosses and you're nowhere nearer to a trophy.

I know the theory of the clubs academy system is to expose the players to the best coaching at an early stage , but is it having any results ?

They need to think from the ground up, moaning about foreigners in the Premiership won't get them anywhere

 

[Mors]

They need to spend some of these fucking billions they get from the TV deals, on kids football and coaches and resources for them. But they're not, it's going straight into the clubs and they're doing with it as they fit.

 

[Mystic]

Did anyone else think this was a thread about Javier Hernandez?

 

[Woland]

They all go on about it getting worse over the last 20 years when they didn't even qualify for the world cup in 1994. The idea that johnny foreigner is fucking this up is appealing because it seems plausible and also has that 'took our jerbs' element of jingoism that people seem to like. But it's wrong. Because we weren't exactly a fucking powerhouse 20 years ago either, we were actually worse.

Face it, England is full of kids playing computer games drinking blue pop and eating turkey twizzlers. It goes dark at half past two between October and March and everyone is sat in jacking up scag and whacking off. Hardly the same as hundreds of millions of Brazilians playing keepy ups on the beach for fourteen hours every day.

It's fuck all to do with good players not getting a chance. Look at the current side. Look at all the CL winners who've played for England in the last few years. Gerrard, Ferdinand, Carrick, Lampard, Terry, Scholes, Neville... there's probably a few more. What I'm saying is they might be a bunch of cunts but they aren't shit. All of them critical in sides that became the best in Europe. It's the shit players that don't come through, the good ones do.

England are doing well to be a quarter final side. Top 8. I mean we're a smaller country than France and Italy and Germany. We play billions of other sports and do well in them. We have a shit climate. Someone has to win it and currently Spain are well better than us. Do the math. And shut up Greg Dyke you fucking bellend.

 

[gkmacca]

It's good they've got someone who is actually trying to do something constructive. That makes a change. But it all sounds pretty incoherent to me. Take the references to the increase in foreign players and the diminishing number of English players in the Premier league. That would appear more relevant if England had been a great team prior to this trend. But they were mediocre then and they're mediocre now. Lots of the other points seem similarly confused. They certainly need to improve youth football, but if you look at the England junior teams over the years, the major reason why they've been so much poorer than most other European nations is because the FA have largely relied on incompetent non-entities to manage and coach the teams. They can talk about quality all they like but unless you've got coaching staff who can get the most out of the team you're wasting your time. Look at the England under 21s - a perfectly decent squad that was managed by Stuart Pearce. The FA is always talking about long-term improvements whilst they repeatedly bollox up the short term by appointing neanderthal managers and coaches.

 

[keniget]

Wasn't there a stat knocking about a couple years ago comparing the number of UEFA licensed coaches at the varying levels in England as opposed to other countries like Spain. The difference was huge.

 

[Woland]

Wasn't there a stat knocking about a couple years ago comparing the number of UEFA licensed coaches at the varying levels in England as opposed to other countries like Spain. The difference was huge.

I saw it again the other day. But Italy has got less than us. Correlation doesn't mean causation.

I reckon Spain being poor as fuck and having loads of people doing jack shit has more to do with it. You see players interviewed in the lower leagues and the majority are scousers or geordies... why? Because Liverpool and Newcastle are full of unemployed thick people who didn't get addicted to computer games. The poorer an area the more likely they'll have a good footy side.

 

[gkmacca]

Look at the national teams from Sweden and Denmark and to some extent Norway - usually punching well above their weight. Well-organised, well managed, hard to beat, with few stars and mediocre leagues. If England performed with that degree of professionalism they'd do far better than they currently do. The only time the FA showed any sense was when they gave Ron Greenwood his head, and Greenwood brought back B internationals for experimenting, tried to enlist the likes of Clough and Taylor, Dave Sexton, Bobby Robson etc to manage the junior levels and generally set about integrating all the coaching levels. That actually gave England a rare period of stability, with Robson taking over already experienced as part of the set-up and a reasonably good playing style already established. Since then the FA has gone back to fecking up its appointments whilst leaving Brooking to moan about the grass roots. Incoherent.

 

[keniget]

I saw it again the other day. But Italy has got less than us. Correlation doesn't mean causation.

I reckon Spain being poor as fuck and having loads of people doing jack shit has more to do with it. You see players interviewed in the lower leagues and the majority are scousers or geordies... why? Because Liverpool and Newcastle are full of unemployed thick people who didn't get addicted to computer games. The poorer an area the more likely they'll have a good footy side.

True. So essentially we're shit at football because we don't have enough poor people. Shit nanny state. We need to send Jamie Oliver around estates to confiscate their big screen TVs.

 

[peekay]

I saw it again the other day. But Italy has got less than us. Correlation doesn't mean causation.

I reckon Spain being poor as fuck and having loads of people doing jack shit has more to do with it. You see players interviewed in the lower leagues and the majority are scousers or geordies... why? Because Liverpool and Newcastle are full of unemployed thick people who didn't get addicted to computer games. The poorer an area the more likely they'll have a good footy side.

You sure about Italy having less coaches than England.

Three years ago an official report concluded that coaching is the "golden thread" leading to international success, but new Uefa data shows that there are only 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's B, A and Pro badges, its top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588.
Between them those four nations have provided eight of the 12 finalists at all the World Cups and European Championships since 1998. England, meanwhile, have not appeared in a tournament final in 44 years.

There are 2.25 million players in England and only one Uefa-qualified coach for every 812 people playing the game. Spain, the World Cup favourites, have 408,134 players, giving a ratio of 1:17. In Italy, the world champions, the ratio is 1:48, in France it is 1:96, Germany 1:150 and even Greece, the Euro 2004 winners, have only 180,000 registered players for their 1,100 coaches, a ratio of 1:135.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/01/football-coach-shortage-england

I am not disagreeing with the rest of the post starting from correlation not implying causation.

 

[Fox]

Cricket and rugby clubs live to feed the national side. Footy clubs never will and they don't care about England.

England should have done so much better in the 90s when we had some excellent players. Shame