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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481889#msg1481889 date=1329072771]
Exactly, instead what we should continue do is release press statements full of rabble rousing lies and quite stupidly make ourselves look like defenders of racism all around the world.

It's about time the owners stepped in to clean up the mess the club has made of this entire issue.
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No, I'd opt for a statement containing the same information that has been stated to you by multiple posters. You know that kind of statement which will make other people look like silly morons who don't have sufficent brain power to distinguish what is and what is not racist.
 
Yes Ross ... I'm glad that the many posters on the site, who live "all around the world," let us know how we were making ourselves look like defenders of racism. I mean, the int'l media glare was briiiiight.

Load of crap.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481889#msg1481889 date=1329072771]
Exactly, instead what we should continue do is release press statements full of rabble rousing lies and quite stupidly make ourselves look like defenders of racism all around the world.

It's about time the owners stepped in to clean up the mess the club has made of this entire issue.
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No, I'd opt for a statement containing the same information that has been stated to you by multiple posters. You know that kind of statement which will make other people look like silly morons who don't have sufficent brain power to distinguish what is and what is not racist.
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I reckon you should do our media stuff Dantes.

You could go on about how Evra deserves racist abuse and explain to the world why you're right and it's the rest of us that are completely mental fuckwits.
 
David Cameron now wants to discuss racism in football.

Well played us for making a fairly minor issue a governmental priority.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481898#msg1481898 date=1329073662]
David Cameron now wants to discuss racism in football.

Well played us for making a fairly minor issue a governmental priority.
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You're missing the beauty of it all Ross. It was our only way to help football rid themselves of racism, and we sacrificed our good name to do it. That is what martyrdom is all about.

Can they punish Kasper for his father's sins?!?
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1481891#msg1481891 date=1329073146]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481889#msg1481889 date=1329072771]
Exactly, instead what we should continue do is release press statements full of rabble rousing lies and quite stupidly make ourselves look like defenders of racism all around the world.

It's about time the owners stepped in to clean up the mess the club has made of this entire issue.
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No, I'd opt for a statement containing the same information that has been stated to you by multiple posters. You know that kind of statement which will make other people look like silly morons who don't have sufficent brain power to distinguish what is and what is not racist.
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I reckon you should do our media stuff Dantes.

You could go on about how Evra deserves racist abuse and explain to the world why you're right and it's the rest of us that are completely mental fuckwits.
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So do I. I never said the word mental fuckwit. This is that thing you do in your brain, you invent other arguments which you feel good about having and confident you can win. The actual word I used was stupid. Will you take issue with me on that word? Shall we have this argument, and the loser of it accepts they are stupid? No, we won't. Because you're afraid you've already lost.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481895#msg1481895 date=1329073518]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1481891#msg1481891 date=1329073146]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481889#msg1481889 date=1329072771]
Exactly, instead what we should continue do is release press statements full of rabble rousing lies and quite stupidly make ourselves look like defenders of racism all around the world.

It's about time the owners stepped in to clean up the mess the club has made of this entire issue.
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No, I'd opt for a statement containing the same information that has been stated to you by multiple posters. You know that kind of statement which will make other people look like silly morons who don't have sufficent brain power to distinguish what is and what is not racist.
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I reckon you should do our media stuff Dantes.

You could go on about how Evra deserves racist abuse and explain to the world why you're right and it's the rest of us that are completely mental fuckwits.
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Ross that's a little harsh. You're not completely mental.....
 
[quote author=anfieldanfield link=topic=48661.msg1481835#msg1481835 date=1329068770]
Absolute joke.

Neither Kenny or Suarez have a fucking thing to apologise for.
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LOOK!
 
Is it too much to expect an apology or disrepute charges against ferguson for his post match interview? If Dalglish is getting roundly slated why the fuck isn't ferguson. His comments were a disgrace and served only to stir the pot even more.

I won't hold my breath.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=48661.msg1481912#msg1481912 date=1329075181]
Is it too much to expect an apology or disrepute charges against ferguson for his post match interview? If Dalglish is getting roundly slated why the fuck isn't ferguson. His comments were a disgrace and served only to stir the pot even more.

I won't hold my breath.
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the only person to come out with any kind of support, in 'the media' was so far off who I'd expect it really really threw me!

Paul Merson, now who'd a thunk it?
 
Barnes blames media for Suarez row

February 11, 2012

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John Barnes insists Luis Suarez should never have been put in the position where he had to choose whether to shake Patrice Evra's hand on Saturday, and the former Liverpool winger says the media is to blame for the current fallout from Old Trafford.



John Barnes speaks to ESPN


• Premier League review
• Fergie: Suarez is "a disgrace"
• Dalglish defends Suarez


Suarez sparked controversy ahead of Liverpool's 2-1 defeat at Manchester United, appearing to refuse the hand of Evra - the man who accused him of racial abuse earlier this season. As a result, United boss Sir Alex Ferguson labelled Suarez a "disgrace to Liverpool Football Club".

However, Barnes believes it would have been fake for Suarez to have shaken Evra's hand, and he is convinced that the media is chief culprit for inciting bad blood between the two clubs. In Barnes' eyes, United and Liverpool would have moved past the situation long ago had the media not persisted in keeping it in the public eye.

"I can tell you they won't be making a big issue over either of the Suarez or John Terry situations in other countries," Barnes told ESPN. "The reputation of English football around the world is not going to be damaged at all.

"I don't care if somebody shakes my hand or not. It's not a big deal, it's insincere, it doesn't mean much, they're shaking hands for show. I don't believe they should be put in that situation.

"We're getting carried away with a bunch of incidents here that, in the bigger picture, don't mean much. Football clubs have to react to it because of what we do in the media. The reality is if Suarez scores 50 goals and United win the league, it's not really important.

"We're making a mountain out of a molehill. We are not the custodians of moral value in the world, we think we are but we're not. There's worse things happening in the world, worse things happening in the country, everything should not be laid at footballers' doors."

Barnes is convinced the handshake ritual should have been scrapped at Old Trafford, but he also believes Evra was as much to blame over the next 90 minutes as Suarez. The United man celebrated directly in the face of Suarez at the full-time whistle, and Barnes insists neither club has come out of the day with any credit.

"I assumed when it was decided that there was going to be the ritual handshake that everybody had agreed that they would shake hands," Barnes said. "When I saw what happened, it made me wonder if Suarez had changed his mind at the last minute.

"I can't imagine that this wasn't discussed by Liverpool. If Luis Suarez said, 'I'm not shaking his hand', which he has every right to if he doesn't want to, then Liverpool should have made all attempts not to have this situation whereby they have to come into confrontation with each other.

"It's a big shock, and obviously it got compounded by Patrice Evra at the end and Sir Alex Ferguson at the end. So it's not a good day from a PR perspective for either club."

Kevin Keegan, also formerly of Liverpool, felt Ferguson was wrong to comment so strongly on Suarez at the full-time whistle. Ferguson stated his belief that the striker should never play for the Reds again, something Keegan argued.

"It's a very strong statement and it's unusual to comment on another club's player," Keegan said. "To come out and say a player shouldn't play for another club is wrong.

"Instead of calming this down they've allowed it to escalate. These are the two biggest clubs in English football. Both clubs have handled it badly.

"Today was a chance to put it all behind them. It was a chance to say to the player, 'Shake his hand and get on with it'. But Evra after the game, why would he want to do that? You've won the game; sometimes as a manager you just don't understand players."
 
Let's have this argument Rosco. You say I'm defending racism. I think this is because of your stupidity which limits your definition of racism to being about skin colour. Rather than me rabble on about this, let's just see what the UN has to say....

International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

PART I
Article 1


1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Oh look it's not just about colour after all is it. It's more complicated. So now, you have a piss weak argument/evidence in support of Evra being insulted about his skin colour. I have an iron clad argument/evidence for Suarez being racially discriminated against based upon his nationality and ethnic origin. So before you accuse me of defending racism, how about you try to win this argument first yeah. And if you don't/can't, then we'll both agree you are stupid.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481898#msg1481898 date=1329073662]
David Cameron now wants to discuss racism in football.

Well played Evra/Ferguson/media for making a fairly minor issue a governmental priority.
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Fixed
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48661.msg1481917#msg1481917 date=1329075619]
OMG! And Barnes is black aswell! Don't tell Ross.
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Tell that pillock Piara Powar though, just so we can all see his head explode.
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1481918#msg1481918 date=1329075859]
Let's have this argument Rosco. You say I'm defending racism. I think this is because of your stupidity which limits your definition of racism to being about skin colour. Rather than me rabble on about this, let's just see what the UN has to say....

International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

PART I
Article 1


1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Oh look it's not just about colour after all is it. It's more complicated. So now, you have a piss weak argument/evidence in support of Evra being insulted about his skin colour. I have an iron clad argument/evidence for Suarez being racially discriminated against based upon his nationality and ethnic origin. So before you accuse me of defending racism, how about you try to win this argument first yeah. And if you don't/can't, then we'll both agree you are stupid.
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It's a pity you didn't read my post properly. All that time wasted.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48661.msg1481924#msg1481924 date=1329076120]
Barnes just tore the presenters & a couple of journos apart on talksport before.
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Not for the first time. The rest of the media will quietly ignore it though.

GH was on Five Live this morning and the presenter on that was trying to get him to have a pop at LFC. GH just said "we should be talking about the football", and the players and clubs should sort the rest between themselves.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481898#msg1481898 date=1329073662]
David Cameron now wants to discuss racism in football.

Well played Evra/Ferguson/media for making a fairly minor issue a governmental priority.
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Fixed
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It's as simple as Ryan stated here:

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=48657.msg1481461#msg1481461
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And people wonder why the rest of the world thinks we have a victim complex.

Yes, straight out the handbook.

boris-hand.jpg
 
@ Ross. Nah, it's not. You're welcome to believe that shite but I'm not sucking it in. End of the day, this whole sorry episode was blown up Evra and Ferguson in the first place after the match in question over something that very likely didn't happen and was manipulated to fuck by Ferguson, his media cronies and disingenuous bellends like Piara Power. We haven't handled the situation well here but if you think this is all of our doing then I think you're wrong. I'm not getting into this whole argument again though.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481930#msg1481930 date=1329076589]
@ Ross. Nah, it's not. You're welcome to believe that shite but I'm not sucking it in. End of the day, this whole sorry episode was blown up Evra and Ferguson in the first place after the match in question over something that very likely didn't happen and was manipulated to fuck by Ferguson, his media cronies and disingenuous bellends like Piara Power. We haven't handled the situation well here but if you think this is all of our doing then I think you're wrong. I'm not getting into this whole argument again though.
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This.

However, the fact that their PR engine has shown are entire club up as hapless mongs is pretty fucking embarrassing.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481930#msg1481930 date=1329076589]
@ Ross. Nah, it's not. You're welcome to believe that shite but I'm not sucking it in. End of the day, this whole sorry episode was blown up Evra and Ferguson in the first place after the match in question over something that very likely didn't happen and was manipulated to fuck by Ferguson, his media cronies and disingenuous bellends like Piara Power. We haven't handled the situation well here but if you think this is all of our doing then I think you're wrong. I'm not getting into this whole argument again though.
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I don't believe that conspiracy bollocks.

I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off. But that still doesn't make Suarez innocent. The ingredients needed for the rule breach are there regardless of Evra's lie. Suarez is his own worst enemy.

And it was us briefing the media with false stories all the way in the lead up to the hearing, we were completely disingenuous all the way along. We released a pack of lies in our statement when the verdict was announced which further inflamed the situation. We handled the entire thing incorrectly. If we had handled it better it wouldn't be still an issue now.
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1481918#msg1481918 date=1329075859]
Let's have this argument Rosco. You say I'm defending racism. I think this is because of your stupidity which limits your definition of racism to being about skin colour. Rather than me rabble on about this, let's just see what the UN has to say....

International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

PART I
Article 1


1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Oh look it's not just about colour after all is it. It's more complicated. So now, you have a piss weak argument/evidence in support of Evra being insulted about his skin colour. I have an iron clad argument/evidence for Suarez being racially discriminated against based upon his nationality and ethnic origin. So before you accuse me of defending racism, how about you try to win this argument first yeah. And if you don't/can't, then we'll both agree you are stupid.
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It's a pity you didn't read my post properly. All that time wasted.
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hahaha please save your pity, it takes about the same time to read your posts as it does to type some words in google and copy some definitions. my motivation for wanting to see evra racially abused were explained in that other thread if this is what you want to argue about. Again I never said the word mental there either. If I had done, it would have been in reference to myself cos I basically like do mental things when I want revenge on a person (upper cuts, crushed underfoot, bloodthirsty fans, see?). Also I would not admit those thoughts in a media statement, that would be stupid now wouldn't it. If I was doing the media relations as you had joked, then I would bring about these other affects in secret and for my own pleasure.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]

I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off.
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And there you have it. The whole episode should not have come into plai in the first place.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off. But that still doesn't make Suarez innocent. The ingredients needed for the rule breach are there regardless of Evra's lie. Suarez is his own worst enemy.
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Wrt the bold part - really? Why do you think this? (I'm asking as I don't really think this).

I don't think Suarez is innocent either. But he's been destroyed over, at worst, a mistake and I don't see how we could have gotten ourselves out of it.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off. But that still doesn't make Suarez innocent. The ingredients needed for the rule breach are there regardless of Evra's lie. Suarez is his own worst enemy.
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Wrt the bold part - really? Why do you think this? (I'm asking as I don't really think this).

I don't think Suarez is innocent either. But he's been destroyed over, at worst, a mistake and I don't see how we could have gotten ourselves out of it.
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hahaha my God in heaven, could it be that Rosco has at last gotten around to looking at the report? I'm more interested in his explanation of what these ingredients were...
 
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