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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481936#msg1481936 date=1329077140]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off.
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And there you have it. The whole episode should not have come into plai in the first place.
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He had already been on TV at that stage, so we'd still have gone through it.
But re: Ryan's statement earlier - you've ignored everything the club and Suarez did wrong again.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off.
[/quote]
And there you have it. The whole episode should not have come into plai in the first place.
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He had already been on TV at that stage, so we'd still have gone through it.
But re: Ryan's statement earlier - you've ignored everything the club and Suarez did wrong again.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48661.msg1481937#msg1481937 date=1329078561]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off. But that still doesn't make Suarez innocent. The ingredients needed for the rule breach are there regardless of Evra's lie. Suarez is his own worst enemy.
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Wrt the bold part - really? Why do you think this? (I'm asking as I don't really think this).
I don't think Suarez is innocent either. But he's been destroyed over, at worst, a mistake and I don't see how we could have gotten ourselves out of it.
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Paragraph 128 of the report.
It's because Evra's a jumped up prick.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off. But that still doesn't make Suarez innocent. The ingredients needed for the rule breach are there regardless of Evra's lie. Suarez is his own worst enemy.
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Wrt the bold part - really? Why do you think this? (I'm asking as I don't really think this).
I don't think Suarez is innocent either. But he's been destroyed over, at worst, a mistake and I don't see how we could have gotten ourselves out of it.
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Paragraph 128 of the report.
It's because Evra's a jumped up prick.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48661.msg1481967#msg1481967 date=1329082080]
I'm amazed Galloway didn't salute his indefatigability.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Indefatigability :-*
I'm amazed Galloway didn't salute his indefatigability.
[/quote]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Indefatigability :-*
If FSG forced Kenny and Luis to make an apology to that shower of shite then they're at the wrong club.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48661.msg1481970#msg1481970 date=1329082759]
If FSG forced Kenny and Luis to make an apology to that shower of shite then they're at the wrong club.
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They didn't apologise to the shower of shite though. They apologised to LFC and the supporters.
If FSG forced Kenny and Luis to make an apology to that shower of shite then they're at the wrong club.
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They didn't apologise to the shower of shite though. They apologised to LFC and the supporters.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481960#msg1481960 date=1329081702]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481936#msg1481936 date=1329077140]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off.
[/quote]
And there you have it. The whole episode should not have come into plai in the first place.
[/quote]
He had already been on TV at that stage, so we'd still have gone through it.
But re: Ryan's statement earlier - you've ignored everything the club and Suarez did wrong again.
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No I haven't. I've said we've handled things very badly. As for Suarez, your definition of wrong is if different to mine. You've said you believe Evra lied as I do. This whole sorry and embarrassing episode should never have happened in the first place. The lines of what is right and wrong were blurred by Liverpools disdain at having to deal with this in the first place. That led them to make some wrong decisions but equally should they have gone down the subservient sit down and do as your told route the FA, media and some of our fans would have liked us to take given the allegation was likely a crock of shit in the first place? An allegation by a man whose own football association described as "a man of low character and a liar" . The whole thing has been a complete clusterfuck by Liverpool from day one but they were also put into a position they should not of been by a pair of lying and manipulative cunts. It was food and drink for the media who manipulated it and served it back up again to the rest of the pigs ready to feed at their duplicitous trough. Cue the FA to garnish it with their usual and convenient double standards applied by a few of their finest witch hunters.
And then the absolutely ridiculous reaction of the handshake, or lack of it. For fucks sake, so fucking what ? A handshake that the FA afforded the honorable John Terry the grace of not having to go through. What a complete crock of horseshit. Lies, manipulation and double standards throughout and, on Liverpools part, an amateurish PR response. To be honest, I'm bored to fuck of it. Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481936#msg1481936 date=1329077140]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481934#msg1481934 date=1329076960]
I do think Evra lied to Fergie about what was said and that's what kicked the saga off.
[/quote]
And there you have it. The whole episode should not have come into plai in the first place.
[/quote]
He had already been on TV at that stage, so we'd still have gone through it.
But re: Ryan's statement earlier - you've ignored everything the club and Suarez did wrong again.
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No I haven't. I've said we've handled things very badly. As for Suarez, your definition of wrong is if different to mine. You've said you believe Evra lied as I do. This whole sorry and embarrassing episode should never have happened in the first place. The lines of what is right and wrong were blurred by Liverpools disdain at having to deal with this in the first place. That led them to make some wrong decisions but equally should they have gone down the subservient sit down and do as your told route the FA, media and some of our fans would have liked us to take given the allegation was likely a crock of shit in the first place? An allegation by a man whose own football association described as "a man of low character and a liar" . The whole thing has been a complete clusterfuck by Liverpool from day one but they were also put into a position they should not of been by a pair of lying and manipulative cunts. It was food and drink for the media who manipulated it and served it back up again to the rest of the pigs ready to feed at their duplicitous trough. Cue the FA to garnish it with their usual and convenient double standards applied by a few of their finest witch hunters.
And then the absolutely ridiculous reaction of the handshake, or lack of it. For fucks sake, so fucking what ? A handshake that the FA afforded the honorable John Terry the grace of not having to go through. What a complete crock of horseshit. Lies, manipulation and double standards throughout and, on Liverpools part, an amateurish PR response. To be honest, I'm bored to fuck of it. Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=48661.msg1481976#msg1481976 date=1329083510]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48661.msg1481970#msg1481970 date=1329082759]
If FSG forced Kenny and Luis to make an apology to that shower of shite then they're at the wrong club.
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They didn't apologise to the shower of shite though. They apologised to LFC and the supporters.
[/quote] So why are the Scum making public announcements accepting our apology?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48661.msg1481970#msg1481970 date=1329082759]
If FSG forced Kenny and Luis to make an apology to that shower of shite then they're at the wrong club.
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They didn't apologise to the shower of shite though. They apologised to LFC and the supporters.
[/quote] So why are the Scum making public announcements accepting our apology?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48661.msg1481983#msg1481983 date=1329084116]
So why are the Scum making public announcements accepting our apology?
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They are being tricksy and pretending the apologies were directed at them. There's nothing we can do about that.
So why are the Scum making public announcements accepting our apology?
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They are being tricksy and pretending the apologies were directed at them. There's nothing we can do about that.
That's cos they have a kick ass PR team.
Just like ours.
Oh, wait...
Just like ours.
Oh, wait...
Hi Everyone
I am really f*cked off with the whole thing now. You know my feelings on it already - its like we are being controlled by Old Trafford, and its getting really nasty now - I really hope Man City hold on and win that title, and somehow we get a CL place and win both the cup competiions we are stll involved in. Thats the best way to respond - and also if we go onto win the FA Cup - I hope Suarez lifts the cup, SG - just let it go for the sake of the club. We all know the lad is not racist and the only people to gain from Suarez leaving are all the other clubs - he makes things happen for us despite the shite in our team.
So glad he did no shake the f*ckers hand yesterday, and aslo what Kenny said. I know it seems rather painful to watch but in funny kind of way, we are making sure we don't follow some shitty FA/United script - we are making it difficult for them all the time.
I noticed that Alan Green has been saying a few things - I love that guy - he is dead straight and honest and would like to know more if anyone has any further info.
Moron
I am really f*cked off with the whole thing now. You know my feelings on it already - its like we are being controlled by Old Trafford, and its getting really nasty now - I really hope Man City hold on and win that title, and somehow we get a CL place and win both the cup competiions we are stll involved in. Thats the best way to respond - and also if we go onto win the FA Cup - I hope Suarez lifts the cup, SG - just let it go for the sake of the club. We all know the lad is not racist and the only people to gain from Suarez leaving are all the other clubs - he makes things happen for us despite the shite in our team.
So glad he did no shake the f*ckers hand yesterday, and aslo what Kenny said. I know it seems rather painful to watch but in funny kind of way, we are making sure we don't follow some shitty FA/United script - we are making it difficult for them all the time.
I noticed that Alan Green has been saying a few things - I love that guy - he is dead straight and honest and would like to know more if anyone has any further info.
Moron
[quote author=Portly link=topic=48661.msg1481990#msg1481990 date=1329084613]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48661.msg1481983#msg1481983 date=1329084116]
[/quote] So why are the Scum making public announcements accepting our apology?
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They are being tricksy and pretending the apologies were directed at them. There's nothing we can do about that.
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Thats where we have been very good - they can think all they want - but even Suarez's statement was never a direct aplogy to Evra, and also Kenny's never a direct one to anybody in particular.
Moron
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48661.msg1481983#msg1481983 date=1329084116]
[/quote] So why are the Scum making public announcements accepting our apology?
[/quote]
They are being tricksy and pretending the apologies were directed at them. There's nothing we can do about that.
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Thats where we have been very good - they can think all they want - but even Suarez's statement was never a direct aplogy to Evra, and also Kenny's never a direct one to anybody in particular.
Moron
Except the radio & news have all run with liverpool & Suarez finally apologise in the racial abuse scandal.
That's all 99% of people will hear or care about.
That's all 99% of people will hear or care about.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481977#msg1481977 date=1329083561]
Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
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He told them "earlier in the week" that he would shake his hand. For him to refuse would have been petty, and pissed of the Holy Ian Ayre for no reason. I'm pretty sure this is why he had no problem in telling him he would do it, in his mind (and also probably in the way Ian Ayre explained it to him) it wasn't a big deal just a meaningless ritual you go through during the game. However that was "earlier in the week".
Given all the hype that happened later in the week, and particularly before the game, Suarez is looking at this and it no longer means nothing. Him shaking hands with Evra was now some big event to bring closure and apologise to Evra. So of course now, he'd be like fuck that shit. I'm not gonna shake the guys hands and have everyone interpret that as an admission of my regret and guilt. This isn't as wrong as you think it is. You have to put yourself in his shoes. Now that innocuous meeting earlier in the week seems like his own club tricking him into agreeing to something, and then moving the goal posts behind his back. He would never have agreed to shake Evra's hand had he known what it would signify... evidenced by the fact he didn't shake it. And I don't blame him for thinking, fuck this shit and fuck this club. First they hang me out to dry by hiring a fuckwit solicitor, then they don't appeal my punishment, then they stand back and let me get branded a racist, and now after all that they try to trick me into apologising to someone who told a pack of lies about me.
Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
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He told them "earlier in the week" that he would shake his hand. For him to refuse would have been petty, and pissed of the Holy Ian Ayre for no reason. I'm pretty sure this is why he had no problem in telling him he would do it, in his mind (and also probably in the way Ian Ayre explained it to him) it wasn't a big deal just a meaningless ritual you go through during the game. However that was "earlier in the week".
Given all the hype that happened later in the week, and particularly before the game, Suarez is looking at this and it no longer means nothing. Him shaking hands with Evra was now some big event to bring closure and apologise to Evra. So of course now, he'd be like fuck that shit. I'm not gonna shake the guys hands and have everyone interpret that as an admission of my regret and guilt. This isn't as wrong as you think it is. You have to put yourself in his shoes. Now that innocuous meeting earlier in the week seems like his own club tricking him into agreeing to something, and then moving the goal posts behind his back. He would never have agreed to shake Evra's hand had he known what it would signify... evidenced by the fact he didn't shake it. And I don't blame him for thinking, fuck this shit and fuck this club. First they hang me out to dry by hiring a fuckwit solicitor, then they don't appeal my punishment, then they stand back and let me get branded a racist, and now after all that they try to trick me into apologising to someone who told a pack of lies about me.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1482007#msg1482007 date=1329085410]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481977#msg1481977 date=1329083561]
Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
[/quote]
He told them "earlier in the week" that he would shake his hand. For him to refuse would have been petty, and pissed of the Holy Ian Ayre for no reason. I'm pretty sure this is why he had no problem in telling him he would do it, in his mind (and also probably in the way Ian Ayre explained it to him) it wasn't a big deal just a meaningless ritual you go through during the game. However that was "earlier in the week".
Given all the hype that happened later in the week, and particularly before the game, Suarez is looking at this and it no longer means nothing. Him shaking hands with Evra was now some big event to bring closure and apologise to Evra. So of course now, he'd be like fuck that shit. I'm not gonna shake the guys hands and have everyone interpret that as an admission of my regret and guilt. This isn't as wrong as you think it is. You have to put yourself in his shoes. Now that innocuous meeting earlier in the week seems like his own club tricking him into agreeing to something, and then moving the goal posts behind his back. He would never have agreed to shake Evra's hand had he known what it would signify... evidenced by the fact he didn't shake it. And I don't blame him for thinking, fuck this shit and fuck this club. First they hang me out to dry by hiring a fuckwit solicitor, then they don't appeal my punishment, then they stand back and let me get branded a racist, and now after all that they try to trick me into apologising to someone who told a pack of lies about me.
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None of that matters. You give your word, you carry it through
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481977#msg1481977 date=1329083561]
Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
[/quote]
He told them "earlier in the week" that he would shake his hand. For him to refuse would have been petty, and pissed of the Holy Ian Ayre for no reason. I'm pretty sure this is why he had no problem in telling him he would do it, in his mind (and also probably in the way Ian Ayre explained it to him) it wasn't a big deal just a meaningless ritual you go through during the game. However that was "earlier in the week".
Given all the hype that happened later in the week, and particularly before the game, Suarez is looking at this and it no longer means nothing. Him shaking hands with Evra was now some big event to bring closure and apologise to Evra. So of course now, he'd be like fuck that shit. I'm not gonna shake the guys hands and have everyone interpret that as an admission of my regret and guilt. This isn't as wrong as you think it is. You have to put yourself in his shoes. Now that innocuous meeting earlier in the week seems like his own club tricking him into agreeing to something, and then moving the goal posts behind his back. He would never have agreed to shake Evra's hand had he known what it would signify... evidenced by the fact he didn't shake it. And I don't blame him for thinking, fuck this shit and fuck this club. First they hang me out to dry by hiring a fuckwit solicitor, then they don't appeal my punishment, then they stand back and let me get branded a racist, and now after all that they try to trick me into apologising to someone who told a pack of lies about me.
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None of that matters. You give your word, you carry it through
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1482010#msg1482010 date=1329085824]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1482007#msg1482007 date=1329085410]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481977#msg1481977 date=1329083561]
Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
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He told them "earlier in the week" that he would shake his hand. For him to refuse would have been petty, and pissed of the Holy Ian Ayre for no reason. I'm pretty sure this is why he had no problem in telling him he would do it, in his mind (and also probably in the way Ian Ayre explained it to him) it wasn't a big deal just a meaningless ritual you go through during the game. However that was "earlier in the week".
Given all the hype that happened later in the week, and particularly before the game, Suarez is looking at this and it no longer means nothing. Him shaking hands with Evra was now some big event to bring closure and apologise to Evra. So of course now, he'd be like fuck that shit. I'm not gonna shake the guys hands and have everyone interpret that as an admission of my regret and guilt. This isn't as wrong as you think it is. You have to put yourself in his shoes. Now that innocuous meeting earlier in the week seems like his own club tricking him into agreeing to something, and then moving the goal posts behind his back. He would never have agreed to shake Evra's hand had he known what it would signify... evidenced by the fact he didn't shake it. And I don't blame him for thinking, fuck this shit and fuck this club. First they hang me out to dry by hiring a fuckwit solicitor, then they don't appeal my punishment, then they stand back and let me get branded a racist, and now after all that they try to trick me into apologising to someone who told a pack of lies about me.
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None of that matters. You give your word, you carry it through
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I think he gave his word that he would shake someones hand, a purely physical gesture with no emotional connotations. He would never give his word that he would express regret and apologise to Evra. That does matter. If I give my word to look after your pets when you're gone, and then I turn up and you have 5 lions, a tiger, monkeys, a great white and poisonous spiders. Then word or no word, fuck that shit.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1482007#msg1482007 date=1329085410]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48661.msg1481977#msg1481977 date=1329083561]
Suarez has clearly fucked up this time - but not because he didn't shake the cunts hand but because he told LFC he would. That's wrong.
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He told them "earlier in the week" that he would shake his hand. For him to refuse would have been petty, and pissed of the Holy Ian Ayre for no reason. I'm pretty sure this is why he had no problem in telling him he would do it, in his mind (and also probably in the way Ian Ayre explained it to him) it wasn't a big deal just a meaningless ritual you go through during the game. However that was "earlier in the week".
Given all the hype that happened later in the week, and particularly before the game, Suarez is looking at this and it no longer means nothing. Him shaking hands with Evra was now some big event to bring closure and apologise to Evra. So of course now, he'd be like fuck that shit. I'm not gonna shake the guys hands and have everyone interpret that as an admission of my regret and guilt. This isn't as wrong as you think it is. You have to put yourself in his shoes. Now that innocuous meeting earlier in the week seems like his own club tricking him into agreeing to something, and then moving the goal posts behind his back. He would never have agreed to shake Evra's hand had he known what it would signify... evidenced by the fact he didn't shake it. And I don't blame him for thinking, fuck this shit and fuck this club. First they hang me out to dry by hiring a fuckwit solicitor, then they don't appeal my punishment, then they stand back and let me get branded a racist, and now after all that they try to trick me into apologising to someone who told a pack of lies about me.
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None of that matters. You give your word, you carry it through
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I think he gave his word that he would shake someones hand, a purely physical gesture with no emotional connotations. He would never give his word that he would express regret and apologise to Evra. That does matter. If I give my word to look after your pets when you're gone, and then I turn up and you have 5 lions, a tiger, monkeys, a great white and poisonous spiders. Then word or no word, fuck that shit.
Dantes is Barclay, Holt and Powar in a parallel universe.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48661.msg1482018#msg1482018 date=1329086294]
Dantes is Barclay, Holt and Powar in a parallel universe.
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Uhmm, perhaps in the sense that Lionel Messi is Downing, Henderson and Carroll in a parallel universe.
Dantes is Barclay, Holt and Powar in a parallel universe.
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Uhmm, perhaps in the sense that Lionel Messi is Downing, Henderson and Carroll in a parallel universe.
[quote author=CAD link=topic=48661.msg1481969#msg1481969 date=1329082497]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48661.msg1481967#msg1481967 date=1329082080]
I'm amazed Galloway didn't salute his indefatigability.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Indefatigability :-*
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Don't play games with me. What the fuck is going on?
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48661.msg1481967#msg1481967 date=1329082080]
I'm amazed Galloway didn't salute his indefatigability.
[/quote]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Indefatigability :-*
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Don't play games with me. What the fuck is going on?
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48661.msg1482034#msg1482034 date=1329087425]
[quote author=CAD link=topic=48661.msg1481969#msg1481969 date=1329082497]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48661.msg1481967#msg1481967 date=1329082080]
I'm amazed Galloway didn't salute his indefatigability.
[/quote]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Indefatigability :-*
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Don't play games with me. What the fuck is going on?
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Eh?
George Galloway when he met Saddam Hussein
[quote author=CAD link=topic=48661.msg1481969#msg1481969 date=1329082497]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48661.msg1481967#msg1481967 date=1329082080]
I'm amazed Galloway didn't salute his indefatigability.
[/quote]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Indefatigability :-*
[/quote]
Don't play games with me. What the fuck is going on?
[/quote]
Eh?
George Galloway when he met Saddam Hussein
Oh, thank you for explaining.
I suspect Alistair was also listening to Galloway today, recalled the same speech that you did, and then sub-consciously ended up using the same word.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48661.msg1481898#msg1481898 date=1329073662]
David Cameron now wants to discuss racism in football.
Well played us for making a fairly minor issue a governmental priority.
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You're Irish, and you dont know what politicians are like. FFS!
David Cameron now wants to discuss racism in football.
Well played us for making a fairly minor issue a governmental priority.
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You're Irish, and you dont know what politicians are like. FFS!
David Cameron will latch on to anything he thinks will distract attention away from the Health and Social Care Bill
Seems the press aren't going to let this go:
It's just too late Kenny, you've left a stain on your club
By Ian Ladyman
Last updated at 10:44 PM on 12th February 2012
One hundred and twenty days. That was how long it took for Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool to finally get something right.
That’s 120 days to work out how to do the decent thing.
When they came - midway through Sunday afternoon - statements from Dalglish, Luis Suarez and managing director Ian Ayre served their purpose and, for once, delivered a clear message.
Finally, four months after Suarez and Patrice Evra clashed in the penalty box at Anfield on October 15, Liverpool declared themselves ready to move on. Finally, there was some contrition, some responsibility. It was all long overdue.
Forget all the other low days this club have endured since mid-autumn. Forget the days of the silly T-shirts and the rambling, bemusing statements. For none has been lower than Saturday.
A visit of one of England’s flagship clubs to Old Trafford remains one of the stand-out fixtures of the year. Manchester United v Liverpool on a winter’s Saturday. What is there not to like?
Here, though, Liverpool - clumsy, arrogant Liverpool - failed by the curled lip of their striker and by a floundering manager buried deep in denial, shoved a great spectacle into the shadows. In its place they revealed their darker side and how ugly it looked. Self-serving, out of touch, paranoid, delusional. Take your pick.
How important is a handshake? Suarez clearly thinks it means little. To him, dignity remains optional. Saturday at Old Trafford presented the Uruguayan and Liverpool with an opportunity. Take a deep breath, put out your hand and put the past to bed.
Just do the right thing.
It was a goal as open as the one Suarez volleyed the ball into late in this undistinguished game. He wasn’t interested, though, and, to make matters worse, his manager didn’t - at that point - really seem to care.
On Sunday it emerged that Suarez had been willing to go along with Dalglish’s suggestion last week that he would shake Evra’s hand. He had been instructed to swallow his substantial pride. It seems he changed his mind, ignoring his manager and effectively calling Dalglish’s authority into question. It appears it was this, as much as anything, that prompted Suarez’s apology and Ayre’s subsequent criticism.
Still there was no contrition or explanation from Dalglish after the game, though. And no website statement, no Sunday afternoon apology will make us forget that.
Instead of addressing the issue with Sky’s impressively persistent interviewer Geoff Shreeves, Liverpool’s manager once again sought refuge in sneering, condescending aggression. It was as embarrassing as it was offensive.
On Sunday, Dalglish apologised, though not to Shreeves. In doing so, he appeared to suggest he wasn’t aware of Suarez’s actions when beginning his interview. That seems extraordinary. As painful as it is to acknowledge, the spirit of Dalglish runs right through the middle of this saga. It has done right from the moment he saw Sir Alex Ferguson accompany Evra to the referee’s room after the 1-1 draw on Merseyside last year.
Suarez is a young man of 25. A South American gun for hire already playing at his fourth professional club. He has no great understanding of the English game or all that Liverpool and United have done over the past 40-odd years to advance its cause.
Dalglish, though, has been in the vanguard of this. His goal brought England only its third European Cup in 1978. He managed Liverpool to a League and FA Cup Double less than 10 years later. He dragged the club through the horrors of Hillsborough.
So what has happened since? How has it taken him so long to understand the damage the past four months have done to his club and its reputation?
Away from the field, Dalglish remains desperately out of his depth.
Foolishly, Liverpool have allowed him to drive their defence - if it can be called that - of Suarez and he has let them down. Dalglish admitted his conduct on Saturday was not befitting of a Liverpool manager. The point is, though, that it hasn’t been so for quite some time and nobody inside Anfield has been brave enough to tell him.
On Saturday, Liverpool owner John W Henry seemed more preoccupied with lunch than soccer. ‘At Boston Bagel Cafe in Ft. Lauderdale’ he tweeted. ‘Great sandwiches.’
Henry and chairman Tom Werner, his fellow American, rarely come to Anfield. On Sunday, the Liverpool FC section of the NESN (New England Sports Network) website part-owned by Henry claimed that Suarez had shown ‘strength of character’ to ‘score in the face of adversity’. There was no mention of what had preceded the match.
Elsewhere, though, there are signs that the stench of the Suarez-Evra issue is finally beginning to drift across the Atlantic. Sunday’s edition of the New York Times carried an article under the headline, ‘Another Ugly Incident Mars Liverpool’s Good Name’.
The editorial ended by posing the question: ‘Is it time for Henry and Werner to state the direction the club will take on this issue?’
Anyone who has watched this saga unfold will know the answer, of course. Who knows how much input Henry and Werner had in the statements. It is certainly interesting that they didn’t come until America - five hours behind - had ‘woken up’.
What is indisputable, though, is that Sunday’s movement came far too late.
To repeat, Liverpool have had 120 days to educate Suarez, 120 days to drag Dalglish into line. In that time, the club’s reputation has been allowed to nosedive.
On Saturday night, Match of the Day showed replays of the Suarez-Evra ‘handshake’ three times once their main highlights package of the action was over. They never once referred back to the goals.
Liverpool may ask themselves why that was.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2100176/Kenny-Dalglish-apology-late.html
It's just too late Kenny, you've left a stain on your club
By Ian Ladyman
Last updated at 10:44 PM on 12th February 2012
One hundred and twenty days. That was how long it took for Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool to finally get something right.
That’s 120 days to work out how to do the decent thing.
When they came - midway through Sunday afternoon - statements from Dalglish, Luis Suarez and managing director Ian Ayre served their purpose and, for once, delivered a clear message.
Finally, four months after Suarez and Patrice Evra clashed in the penalty box at Anfield on October 15, Liverpool declared themselves ready to move on. Finally, there was some contrition, some responsibility. It was all long overdue.
Forget all the other low days this club have endured since mid-autumn. Forget the days of the silly T-shirts and the rambling, bemusing statements. For none has been lower than Saturday.
A visit of one of England’s flagship clubs to Old Trafford remains one of the stand-out fixtures of the year. Manchester United v Liverpool on a winter’s Saturday. What is there not to like?
Here, though, Liverpool - clumsy, arrogant Liverpool - failed by the curled lip of their striker and by a floundering manager buried deep in denial, shoved a great spectacle into the shadows. In its place they revealed their darker side and how ugly it looked. Self-serving, out of touch, paranoid, delusional. Take your pick.
How important is a handshake? Suarez clearly thinks it means little. To him, dignity remains optional. Saturday at Old Trafford presented the Uruguayan and Liverpool with an opportunity. Take a deep breath, put out your hand and put the past to bed.
Just do the right thing.
It was a goal as open as the one Suarez volleyed the ball into late in this undistinguished game. He wasn’t interested, though, and, to make matters worse, his manager didn’t - at that point - really seem to care.
On Sunday it emerged that Suarez had been willing to go along with Dalglish’s suggestion last week that he would shake Evra’s hand. He had been instructed to swallow his substantial pride. It seems he changed his mind, ignoring his manager and effectively calling Dalglish’s authority into question. It appears it was this, as much as anything, that prompted Suarez’s apology and Ayre’s subsequent criticism.
Still there was no contrition or explanation from Dalglish after the game, though. And no website statement, no Sunday afternoon apology will make us forget that.
Instead of addressing the issue with Sky’s impressively persistent interviewer Geoff Shreeves, Liverpool’s manager once again sought refuge in sneering, condescending aggression. It was as embarrassing as it was offensive.
On Sunday, Dalglish apologised, though not to Shreeves. In doing so, he appeared to suggest he wasn’t aware of Suarez’s actions when beginning his interview. That seems extraordinary. As painful as it is to acknowledge, the spirit of Dalglish runs right through the middle of this saga. It has done right from the moment he saw Sir Alex Ferguson accompany Evra to the referee’s room after the 1-1 draw on Merseyside last year.
Suarez is a young man of 25. A South American gun for hire already playing at his fourth professional club. He has no great understanding of the English game or all that Liverpool and United have done over the past 40-odd years to advance its cause.
Dalglish, though, has been in the vanguard of this. His goal brought England only its third European Cup in 1978. He managed Liverpool to a League and FA Cup Double less than 10 years later. He dragged the club through the horrors of Hillsborough.
So what has happened since? How has it taken him so long to understand the damage the past four months have done to his club and its reputation?
Away from the field, Dalglish remains desperately out of his depth.
Foolishly, Liverpool have allowed him to drive their defence - if it can be called that - of Suarez and he has let them down. Dalglish admitted his conduct on Saturday was not befitting of a Liverpool manager. The point is, though, that it hasn’t been so for quite some time and nobody inside Anfield has been brave enough to tell him.
On Saturday, Liverpool owner John W Henry seemed more preoccupied with lunch than soccer. ‘At Boston Bagel Cafe in Ft. Lauderdale’ he tweeted. ‘Great sandwiches.’
Henry and chairman Tom Werner, his fellow American, rarely come to Anfield. On Sunday, the Liverpool FC section of the NESN (New England Sports Network) website part-owned by Henry claimed that Suarez had shown ‘strength of character’ to ‘score in the face of adversity’. There was no mention of what had preceded the match.
Elsewhere, though, there are signs that the stench of the Suarez-Evra issue is finally beginning to drift across the Atlantic. Sunday’s edition of the New York Times carried an article under the headline, ‘Another Ugly Incident Mars Liverpool’s Good Name’.
The editorial ended by posing the question: ‘Is it time for Henry and Werner to state the direction the club will take on this issue?’
Anyone who has watched this saga unfold will know the answer, of course. Who knows how much input Henry and Werner had in the statements. It is certainly interesting that they didn’t come until America - five hours behind - had ‘woken up’.
What is indisputable, though, is that Sunday’s movement came far too late.
To repeat, Liverpool have had 120 days to educate Suarez, 120 days to drag Dalglish into line. In that time, the club’s reputation has been allowed to nosedive.
On Saturday night, Match of the Day showed replays of the Suarez-Evra ‘handshake’ three times once their main highlights package of the action was over. They never once referred back to the goals.
Liverpool may ask themselves why that was.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2100176/Kenny-Dalglish-apology-late.html
suarez is our player and we can defend him espeically against those cunts down the road but c'mon, suarez assured management he would shake hands and then didn't, that's fucking low if ou ask me and that's dragging people through the mud who trusted you.
anyway, whatever. so petty to argue about a handshake or lack thereof.
anyway, whatever. so petty to argue about a handshake or lack thereof.
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