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Sterling to Tell Rodgers he wants to leave this summer

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Re: Agents - if anyone knows how their relationship works with a club I'd like to know. I've been reading how agents request meetings, presumably they phone the club at will?

In business, reviews are generally agreed to be periodic and agendas are usually distributed for the meeting. Do they really just ask for a meet and turn up to talk about their clients needs without allowing the club to prepare?
 
Buddha said:
I imagine they've tried that Macca. The agent seems to have little capacity for ethical or moral ways of doing things. Sterling, for his part, seems all too willing to perceive himself as persecuted and oh so worthy.

Compare with Ibe (no agent, his parents act on his behalf) and Coutinho of late. He's an immature, self-absorbed young man, without the grounding it seems to hold in mind the wider picture. It'll end badly for him.
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Let us continue making footballing decisions the same way and it will be Coutinho to Barcelona next summer and Ibe (if he ends up realizing his potential) to Chelsea/City the summer after that.

At that time we can continue blaming his agent, missus who is not able to settle in Merseyside, Barcelona for tapping our players, the media - whatever the reason.

Does it really matter when and how they instigate their move? Some players have better PR than others. They are brilliant at giving more palatable reasons for their move than others. The bigger issue is why so many players want to move.
 
Buddha said:
I imagine they've tried that Macca. The agent seems to have little capacity for ethical or moral ways of doing things. Sterling, for his part, seems all too willing to perceive himself as persecuted and oh so worthy.

Compare with Ibe (no agent, his parents act on his behalf) and Coutinho of late. He's an immature, self-absorbed young man, without the grounding it seems to hold in mind the wider picture. It'll end badly for him.
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They haven't tried it seriously. When Kenny decided to start easing Sterling into the first team during his last season, the planted stories began about the need for him to speed it up and so he called up the agent and tore him a new one. He then talked to Sterling. When Rodgers came in it was still pretty calm after that - it'd take a while even for an agent to recover from a full-blown Glaswegian ear bashing - but he wasn't briefed about it, and nothing more was done. At that stage the agent was still just an employee with big ambitions - the last thing he needed was the threat of getting a bad reputation. That was the time to exert control over him and keep tabs on him. Instead it wasn't until he'd already set up his own agency that any discussions of that nature happened. Once again, Ayre and Co were caught in a deep Parry-esque slumber.
 
Tony Barrett @TonyBarretTimes · 6m6 minutes ago
Easy to fall into the trap of believing Sterling's being driven out of Anfield by his agent. The agent is doing what the player wants.

Tony Barrett @TonyBarretTimes · 5m5 minutes ago
Also easy to believe club = good guys & player = bad guy. It's more complex than that. Liverpool are an easy club for good players to leave.

Tony Barrett @TonyBarretTimes · 4m4 minutes ago
Agents smell vulnerability at clubs, it's part of their job. Right now, Liverpool's vulnerability (and mediocrity) is there for all to see.

Redjonty ‏@Neednewbattery 2m2 minutes ago
@TonyBarretTimes didn't seem to be the case for Coutinho and Hendo. Reasonable contract requests.

Tony Barrett@TonyBarretTimes
@Neednewbattery They didn't have clubs waiting with offers to buy them.
 
peekay said:
Pogba and Rossi left because they wanted more playing time. Pogba specifically pointed out how he was desperate for more playing time, there was a lot of injuries and Ferguson played Rafael in midfield and that was the time he decided to leave.

Pique - maybe similar to Sterling. I dont know the circumstances.

But United never had this "star player" wants to leave every 2 years which we have.
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Ronaldo, De Gea.

Maybe not as often as us but it happens.
 
RedNinja said:
After giving it thought.. I agree with @Ryan..

The club have to treat this in the same way they treated the Suarez Speculation. They will not sell.. They will dictate the rules.. We cannot be seen to be weak or cannon fodder..

I think he will sign once a new manager is in place anyway..
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I'm all for keeping him. But I'm not having him decide who the manager should be. Fuck that!
 
Skullflower said:
If we got klopp and bought a couple of exciting players instead of ings and Milner then he'd stay. We're so fucking shit.
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I don't think I'd change Manager and sign players to accommodate Raheem Sterling and I get the feeling his mind is elsewhere anyway.

The only way to keep him is to make it clear you'll be keeping to the terms of the legal contract. His reaction is his business and I suspect his attitude will be adjusted when he realizes he needs to play for his own profile if not for Liverpool's. Two years is a long time.

Only a monumental bid would change my mind and I doubt it will be forthcoming.
 
Sky Andrew pretty much set down the template for this kind of agent. Sign up really young kids, in his case preferably poor black kids. Promise to do everything for them. Get them a first deal. Push them on. Get them a big club. Then aim for the massive career-changing deal - by which time the relationship is impregnable. It's cynical but very effective: imagine having relied on a bloke since you were in the youth set up, saying you were brilliant, defending you against outside criticism (then often making the same criticisms but in a more tactful way), and doing absolutely everything for you. You'd feel as though you'd be utterly lost without them. No club will undermine that relationship. Look at Sky Andrew's record - the norm is a player who always thinks it's somebody else's fault, making a fortune as they go from one club to the next. Sol Campbell was his big success, but look at the others - Jermaine Pennant, Jermaine Defoe, Jay Bothroyd, etc: cocky misfits who under-perform whilst acting as though it's down to the wrong manager and the wrong club. That's the pattern these days.

Take footballing advice. Sterling had Rodgers working with him every day, but who did he say had helped him most to recover his form? That's right: his fat, totally unqualified agent, who'd probably struggle to say what a formation was when he saw it from the stands. It's a crazy situation.
 
jexykrodic said:
I don't think I'd change Manager and sign players to accommodate Raheem Sterling and I get the feeling his mind is elsewhere anyway.

The only way to keep him is to make it clear you'll be keeping to the terms of the legal contract. His reaction is his business and I suspect his attitude will be adjusted when he realizes he needs to play for his own profile if not for Liverpool's. Two years is a long time.

Only a monumental bid would change my mind and I doubt it will be forthcoming.
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What the fuck are you on about?
 
gkmacca said:
Sky Andrew pretty much set down the template for this kind of agent. Sign up really young kids, in his case preferably poor black kids. Promise to do everything for them. Get them a first deal. Push them on. Get them a big club. Then aim for the massive career-changing deal - by which time the relationship is impregnable. It's cynical but very effective: imagine having relied on a bloke since you were in the youth set up, saying you were brilliant, defending you against outside criticism (then often making the same criticisms but in a more tactful way), and doing absolutely everything for you. You'd feel as though you'd be utterly lost without them. No club will undermine that relationship. Look at Sky Andrew's record - the norm is a player who always thinks it's somebody else's fault, making a fortune as they go from one club to the next. Sol Campbell was his big success, but look at the others - Jermaine Pennant, Jermaine Defoe, Jay Bothroyd, etc: cocky misfits who under-perform whilst acting as though it's down to the wrong manager and the wrong club. That's the pattern these days.
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In a way, thats how most of these third party ownership + agent work with South American talents. Zahavi and others made a fortune based on nurturing relationships with young talents.
 
So Wenger has been sniffing around, make Sanchez a makeweight in the deal and I for one would be delighted to see the little shitbag go!!

It would appear that our downturn in form and results correlates almost perfectly with him turning down our contract offers and the beginning of this fiasco, he has possibly cost us £50mil and damaged the chances of signing top talent. How his agent has the front to say he may stay is unbelievable, presumably to ensure a transfer request doesn't rule out a bonus no doubt.
 
peekay said:
Pogba and Rossi left because they wanted more playing time. Pogba specifically pointed out how he was desperate for more playing time, there was a lot of injuries and Ferguson played Rafael in midfield and that was the time he decided to leave.
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Didn't Scholes come out of retirement and was given playing time ahead of Pogba?
 
gkmacca said:
Hold a meeting with the agent. Make it clear how the club will react to him continuing to bypass the club and plant disruptive stories in the press - they are professionals, there is a code of conduct, and the last thing an inexperienced but ambitious agent needs is to be censured by a massive club. And talk to Sterling about how to work with the club rather than against it whenever he has any concerns. That should have happened at least three years or more ago. Clubs can't always stop these things developing, but they CAN impress very firmly into the minds of players and agents just what the risks are that they're running.

Clubs generally are very poor at educating young players about what agents are and aren't needed for. The reality is that most of them get grabbed by agents at a very early age and are then managed by them so that they come to think of their agent as a kind of super-parent who does much more for them than the club ever does. The agent - if he's really eager to 'bed in' as the great big brother/father figure, will sort out a house for them, pay their bills, arrange their grocery deliveries, book them air tickets, deal with driving fines, stop embarrassing news stories, and advise them on everything from women to cars. They'll do everything except criticise them - they leave that to the manager, who'll thus seem like less of a supporter than the agent. Whereas the club used to, and still could, do loads of things for them - housing, financial advice, etc etc. it's now increasingly taken over by the agent. By letting 15, 16, 17 year olds to be dominated by these hugely ambitious agents, who see a lucrative long term relationship in the making, the clubs unnecessarily cede all the initiative to them. It's going to get worse and worse.
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Yep, hence why United have a dedicated company that they own but is technically independent from the club, who are quite literally at every player's beck & call.

They arrange everything, from satellite TV & dentist appointments to nightclub access. They allegedly arrange less legit stuff too, so that they can remain in control & less chance of stories about escorts, affairs etc get to the press.

I'm sure I've told the stories on here about Phil neville asking my mate who worked for them to saw the leg off an antique table to make it fit where he wanted it to in a hallway & Veron asking them to move the equator when it was explained that them being the other side of it was the reason he couldn't watch live TV from Argentina.
 
i say sell the little gary coleman looking cunt.

sell him to city or Chelsea and watch his career go for a shit. city wont be as patient with him if he doesnt deliver.
no one holds my club to ransom and sullies our good name.
 
Did you see the latest column from John Cross in the Mirror? As puppet of Arsene 'I hate tapping up' Wenger, he doesn't even pretend to be impartial. I guess Sterling's agent just hands the article to him and he puts his name at the top. Pretty good knowledge of a Liverpool player's mind by the Mirror's 'North London correspondent'. Utter wanker.


Why Raheem Sterling's determination to leave Liverpool is about trophies, not money

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The England star is ambitious and determined to make the most of his career. He believes the time is right to move on this summer

This is about trophies rather than money.

Raheem Sterling is ambitious, focused and determined to make the most of his career.

He wants to win the highest honours in the game, improve by playing in the Champions League on a regular basis and be the best he can be for England.

Sterling is passionate about playing for England and there is no doubt that playing on Europe's biggest stage helps international careers. And no-one should knock a young player for trying to show ambition for England.

And his fear is that he will not be able to reach those heights while at Liverpool which is why he has told the club he wants to leave Anfield.

Liverpool now face a huge task to persuade Sterling to change his mind and stay when he meets with club officials this week.


It is Sterling's decision and his decision alone. Not even £150,000-a-week let alone the £90,000-a-week on offer could make him change his mind now.

Liverpool missed out on a place in the top four and a place among Europe's elite which leaves their long term direction in serious doubt.

Last summer they sold their best player in Luis Suarez. This summer they have lost a club icon in Steven Gerrard. Daniel Sturridge has been plagued by injuries. These are uncertain times at Anfield.

It is all very well for former players to tell Sterling what is best for him. But at times it has felt to Sterling as if the club has encouraged the sniping and back biting.

Jamie Carragher has been vociferous and outspoken. But he also highlighted the issue of the fans potentially turning on Sterling amid his contract stand-off. That was always likely to encourage the fans to react rather than discourage.

Sterling is a different character to Carragher and was born in Jamaica, grew up in London so Merseyside isn't his natural home. Why would Carragher know what's best for Sterling? Sterling has no emotional ties to Liverpool.

Former Liverpool star John Barnes has also been quick to advise what’s best for Sterling. And yet maybe the irony and similarities are lost on Barnes that he was born in Jamaica and left Watford in the 1980s to join Liverpool in search of success. That's only what Sterling is trying to do now.

In fact, all the endless legends from yesteryear - and no club has as many as Liverpool - dressed in their club suits have only succeeded in pushing him the other way.

They don't know him, or know what's best for him but it has felt like the club has tried to win a PR war which has alienated the player.

Sterling is annoyed that the club put it out that he turned down £100,000-a-week when that isn't the figure. So it didn't come from Sterling's camp.

Sterling is strong willed and anyone who suggests it is not him but his agent driving this doesn't know the situation at all.

He has been left frustrated at being stuck at right back at times this season. Sterling started England's first game at last summer's World Cup in the No10 role so finds it hard to see that that playing as a full back makes Liverpool the best place for him as all the former players keep on saying.

It was Sterling who told Brendan Rodgers to his face that he wants to leave Liverpool. He believes the time is right rather than to wait for the remaining two years on his contract.

Liverpool missed the chance last season when it might have been easier to get Sterling to commit to a longer deal.

Instead, Liverpool did not act quickly enough just as they have dragged their heels on other new contracts for big stars like Gerrard, Jordan Henderson and Martin Skrtel.

Liverpool have persuaded Henderson to stay. But Sterling is a different character. He left QPR to move to Anfield when he was just 15 as Liverpool promised to help further his career.

Now he believes the time is right to leave Liverpool to further his career again.
 
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