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So just outta interest, if losing the Derby..(the impromptu wine thread)

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I've avoided agreeing with the Rodgers Out discussions for the last couple of years to be honest as I didn't feel they were warranted but for me it changed at the Villa semi-final. It was one of the worst managerial performances I can remember - he looked lost, clueless. Nothing has improved since then. It's not got worse (as if it could) but we're wallowing in mediocrity in the vain hope something might change. It won't - when you're on the wrong course you're on the wrong course and it's unlikely there'll be a fortunate wind to blow you back on.
I went to that game with @Brizzle and they were a fucking shower. Nothing has changed since. He's goner. The sooner the better!
 
You've started early. 😉

Afl Grand final day in Melbourne we own 5am this morning for the all blacks and stay open till after the Irish game finishes at about 5am on Monday morning.

I'm doing a tasty 4pm to 8am shift to cover England getting walloped by the wallabies.

It'll be lack of alcohol that'll get me [emoji22]
 
That's a style where some dried grape skins are used to enhance tannin, colour and phenolicsz

Basic Valpollicella is like basic Beaujolais - soft and easy to drink. I mean, depending on how you make the wine, you can add texture and body.

Ripasso should, by definition, be much more full bodied than standard Valpollicella.

Yeah the dried Amarone grapes.

I've tried Amarone but prefer the Ripasso
 
Yeah, I'm not a Rioja fan but both the above are a bit extreme even for me.

Rioja is an interesting one - with its classification detailing how long the wine has to be aged in wood, etc.

There are also producers that operate outside the classification system to produce wines in the style that they want to produce.

Look for wines from Artadi, Telmo Rodriguez and Roda.
 
Yep, did you try it? I didn't but apparently it's alright.

@StevieM If you like Albarino, give Rueda Verdejo a go. My Spanish friends recommended that one when I told them I liked Albarino.

Yep - Telmo Rodriguez does a Verdejo from Rueda that I've tried - pretty sure I've written it into at least one wine list.
 
Yeah the dried Amarone grapes.

I've tried Amarone but prefer the Ripasso

Slightly different style - grapes for Amarone are left on the vine longer, to the point of raisoning, so that the sugar increases, leading to higher alcohol after ferment. The fruit is also dried out to intensify the sugar.

What's left over of these Amarone grapes are what's added to the Valpollicella to make the ripasso style.
 
Rioja is an interesting one - with its classification detailing how long the wine has to be aged in wood, etc.

There are also producers that operate outside the classification system to produce wines in the style that they want to produce.

Look for wines from Artadi, Telmo Rodriguez and Roda.

San Castillo Rioja Reserva half price in Tescos at the moment. Very nice
 
I spent weeks in mendoza this summer, toured many wineries. A good higher altitude malbec or a cabernet franc from there is the best I've had. Malbec is something you have to develop a taste for, I think. Wine there is unbelievably cheap as well, but most of what gets exported is nothing to write home about.
 
To be fair, most hot countries chill some of their lighter red wines - many aren't much heavier than rose.

I've seen the odd weirdo chill Pinot noir.

Certainly, Beaujolais nouveau would be something that could be chilled.

Champagne contains a large component of red grapes - Blanc de Noir is made entirely from red grapes.

Aussies actually make a red sparkling out of Shiraz which is served cold.

Let's face it, in countries outside the UK, where we tend to get a bit of sun, drinking red wine that's the temperature of blood isn't ideal.
 
I just get any red that's on offer at the local. Never less than a fiver though. It's usually vinegar if it is.
 
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