Sneijder or Negredo + 22M for Xabi

[Molbystwin]

I would just like to say at this juncture that our owners are cunts for putting us in this situation financially and anybody who dsagrees can kiss my arse.

lots of love MB

XXX


(schneider + Villa) - Alonso = acceptable = absolute tabloid bullshit.

 

[Stanners]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=34756.msg907637#msg907637 date=1247858743]
I would just like to say at this juncture that our owners are cunts for putting us in this situation financially and anybody who dsagrees can kiss my arse.

lots of love MB

XXX


(schneider + Villa) - Alonso = acceptable = absolute tabloid bullshit.
[/quote]

Completly agree, fucking disgusting. Who do Real think they are?

Firstly we want Wesley Sneijder, not Marc Schneider.

Secondly, how fucking dare they try and flog us a 28 year old CB from Young Boys WHO THEY DONT FUCKING OWN!!!

Liberties. Spanish bastards.

 

[MaBigTip]

random comment that kinda works here, Lucas is an impressive set-piece taker. He leads to goals and opportunities a lot.



also if we get Sneijder we don't need Silva it becomes a luxury because Sneijder can play anywhere across the 3 same with gerrard, same with Yossi. i would want a CM so that I could play what ever I want we can do that same formation just with Riera instead of Silva and the way Riera has been playing for spain and that he gave us moments of sheer brilliance last year Id be ok with that. say you get 27 mill for Xabi. I can go Petrov - 12 mil huntelaar -18 mill, some young phenom kid and now I've had a brillliant summer, making my defence midfield, strikeforce and posshibilities better

Torres backup in Huntelaar (he'd be willing to rotate if he went to Madrid in the first place) and Stylian Petrov 12 mill.

You can still take Sneijder instead of Huntelaar I just don't.

 

[Delinquent]

But think of the possibilities!

A team like us should have luxuries, not merely a starting eleven. We need quality from the bench anyway.

 

[Whitey85]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=34756.msg907804#msg907804 date=1247904926]
Stylian Petrov 12 mill.

[/quote]

Im so fucking glad you don't have rafa's job.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=34756.msg907637#msg907637 date=1247858743]
I would just like to say at this juncture that our owners are cunts for putting us in this situation financially and anybody who dsagrees can kiss my arse.

lots of love MB

XXX


(schneider + Villa) - Alonso = acceptable = absolute tabloid bullshit.
[/quote]

Hmmmm.. MB, I think they've backed us fairly healthily so far. £20m Torres, £18m Mascherano, £17m Glen Johnson, £20m Robbie Keane (we still bought him).

We're selling Alonso because he wants to go, not out of necessity, though it's arguable that Rafa might want to cash in anyway.

An article on United suggested that their usual transfer fund is in the region of £25m. When you consider the momentum from marketing they've built up over the past decade and a half, and the revenue from the ever expanding stadium, they've still spending little more than us net.

Yeah they've fucked us over with the stadium, and the global recession has been a badly timed kicked in the gonads, but we've been fairly healthily backed in the transfer market since they took over, all things considered.

Since Feb 07 when they took over:

Torres £20m
Keane £20m
Masherano £18m
Glen Johnson £17.5m
Albert Riera £9m
Andrea Dossena £8m
Lucas Leiva £6.75m
Martin Skrtel £6.5m
Yossi Benayoun £5m
Diego Cavalieri £4m
Seb Leto £2.5m
David N'Gog £1.5m

£118.75m

Robbie Keane £15m
Peter Crouch £11m
Sissoko £8.2m
Bellamy £7.5m
Carson £4m
Riise £4m
Cisse £6m
Garcia £4m
Gonzalez £3.5m
Pongolle £2.75m
Guthrie £2.25m

68.2m

£50.55m in two and a half years.

 

[Rosco]

Gillett suggested that the covenants in United's loan agreements prevent them from spending anymore than 25m net on average.

There's not a hope in hell they'll be spending 25m net this summer though

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=34756.msg907818#msg907818 date=1247907798]
Gillett suggested that the covenants in United's loan agreements prevent them from spending anymore than 25m net on average.

There's not a hope in hell they'll be spending 25m net this summer though
[/quote]

Really? We'd be livid in that position wouldn't we?

My point's right anyway, £17m net since they took over, accounting for the transfer window so far. Not exactly big bucks, but considering United's bigger potential for revenue, I don't think we fair that badly by comparison.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34756.msg907819#msg907819 date=1247908105]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=34756.msg907818#msg907818 date=1247907798]
Gillett suggested that the covenants in United's loan agreements prevent them from spending anymore than 25m net on average.

There's not a hope in hell they'll be spending 25m net this summer though
[/quote]

Really? We'd be livid in that position wouldn't we?

My point's right anyway, £17m net since they took over, accounting for the transfer window so far. Not exactly big bucks, but considering United's bigger potential for revenue, I don't think we fair that badly by comparison.
[/quote]

I agree with Mark , and I am pretty sure Rosco is similarly like-minded.
The yanks have their faults, their plans have been pretty badly pissed on by the recession, and failure to back the manager in the transfer market has never been one of the issues.
They do not have the pockets of City or Chelsea.
They do seem to have some faith in our long term future shown in the refusing to sell when they could have for a pretty good profit, and selling their own family jewels to service our loan. The only way of continuing this faith is by making sure we compete on the field, if they don't ensure that, their investment is going to nose dive. They may have dropped a few PR clangers, they are not thick .

regards

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34756.msg907819#msg907819 date=1247908105]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=34756.msg907818#msg907818 date=1247907798]
Gillett suggested that the covenants in United's loan agreements prevent them from spending anymore than 25m net on average.

There's not a hope in hell they'll be spending 25m net this summer though
[/quote]

Really? We'd be livid in that position wouldn't we?

My point's right anyway, £17m net since they took over, accounting for the transfer window so far. Not exactly big bucks, but considering United's bigger potential for revenue, I don't think we fair that badly by comparison.
[/quote]

We certainly would be.

I agree with pretty much everything you and Vlad have just said.

The Yanks seem to be trying to make the best of a not exactly great situation. So far , stadium excepted, they've done okay.

 

[Farkmaster]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=34756.msg907830#msg907830 date=1247909285]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34756.msg907819#msg907819 date=1247908105]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=34756.msg907818#msg907818 date=1247907798]
Gillett suggested that the covenants in United's loan agreements prevent them from spending anymore than 25m net on average.

There's not a hope in hell they'll be spending 25m net this summer though
[/quote]

Really? We'd be livid in that position wouldn't we?

My point's right anyway, £17m net since they took over, accounting for the transfer window so far. Not exactly big bucks, but considering United's bigger potential for revenue, I don't think we fair that badly by comparison.
[/quote]

We certainly would be.

I agree with pretty much everything you and Vlad have just said.

The Yanks seem to be trying to make the best of a not exactly great situation. So far , stadium excepted, they've done okay.


[/quote]

I'm pretty much in agreement, however it must not be forgotten that whatever economic circumstances, THE reason they are here was the stadium.

 

[6TimesaRed]

looks like its negredo is out of the equation.. spurs look like his likely destination...

Real Madrid striker Alvaro Negredo is '95 per cent' certain to be heading to the Premier League this summer.

The 23-year-old has been strongly linked with a move to Tottenham, who have also expressed an interest in his Santiago Bernabeu team-mate Klaas-Jan Huntelaar.

However, with the Dutchman seemingly set to complete a protracted move to Stuttgart at some stage, Spurs are reported to have turned their attention to Negredo.

The highly-regarded frontman enjoyed a goal-laden loan spell at Almeria last season, bringing him to the attention of Europe's top clubs.

With first-team opportunities expected to be hard to come by at Real following the club's summer transfer activities, Negredo is expected to be on the move once again over the coming weeks.

His most likely destination appears to be England, with his agent, Juanma Lopez, admitting as much.

"There is a 95 per cent chance that Negredo will be moving to the Premier League," he said.

Real Madrid are understood to want the ongoing saga regarding Negredo's future to be resolved by Monday.

 

[Buddha]

El Mundo Deportivo reporting 35m euro fee agreed with Real.

 

[Molbystwin]

Thanks for that detailed analysis Mark.

Yes you are corrrect our owners are absolute godsends..... silly me...


OK obviously we cant actually strengthen the team at a really opportune moment and maybe it looks like we are going to have to sell Alonso and we dont have the stadium yet obviously.... and then theres the 35M interest payments out of our profits.

But yeh they really are the fucking bollox the very fucking best we could hope for, thank god we dont have United owners eh!!

 

[Squiggles]

He wants to leave, you stupid cunt.

This has nothing to do with the owners.

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34756.msg908001#msg908001 date=1247934933]
He wants to leave, you stupid cunt.

This has nothing to do with the owners.
[/quote]

Now now, lets not dampen the hysteria. Who else will cry on a sky interview when he goes?

 

[Molbystwin]

Mark suggests as do others that our owners are making a good job of it, I very very strongly disagree. He is entitled to think what he likes as am I.

What Mark fails to mention is our average income has increased massively from enormously better TV deals, Sky alone pay 4.8M pounds per game .... and from consecutive excellent european cup runs. i can olny guess but on average we will be dragging in annually about 15 to 20M more than say when Houllier was here.

I also found it slightly strange that whilst talking about selling one of our very best players people would come on and defend the fact that as of yet the only strengthening we've done is a right back. Personally i thought we were crying out for a decent top class attacker but ...

If you think the two are not connected then fair enough. I accept that possibly Alonso wants out, he hasnt said as much yet but...

We do need an attacker and we are going to sell first before we sign anyone, BUT not because we couldnt afford the attacker without selling ... Oh no.... both totally unrelated.

Oh ps

Dont know you squiggles never met you nor never will so really there is no call for name calling, i just dont agree with you is all.

 

[Squiggles]

It's pretty clear Alonso wants out, otherwise he'd have said so by now. Anyone knows that.

If you feel the £17M spent on Johnson could have been better prioritised, then fair enough, so do many - but again, this has nothing to do with the owners.

Given the global climate, it's only natural for clubs bankrolled on debt to be spending less.

 

[Molbystwin]

Anyone knows what?? that its better to play with a club with a shitload of money who can afford to buy better players perhaps...IMO thats everything to do with the owners, but we can leave it there as you wont convince me that the are good owners and i wont convince you they are bad and we obvioulsy have different opinions.

Incidentally why the hell is this two threads?????

Does anyone actually know for a fact that he has actually gone yet anyway?

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=34756.msg908000#msg908000 date=1247934749]
Thanks for that detailed analysis Mark.

Yes you are corrrect our owners are absolute godsends..... silly me...


OK obviously we cant actually strengthen the team at a really opportune moment and maybe it looks like we are going to have to sell Alonso and we dont have the stadium yet obviously.... and then theres the 35M interest payments out of our profits.

But yeh they really are the fucking bollox the very fucking best we could hope for, thank god we dont have United owners eh!!
[/quote]

Mate, I'm not trying to be a cunt over this, it's clear we've had limited funds to a degree, and they've fell through on their promise of a new stadium - the main reason for us looking for investment in the first place.

I'm not saying they're the bollocks, but we have spent well since they took over and, as Vlad touched on, they've not been quick to sell players either when offers have come in, as many money grabbing owners would. As said, they're not thick. It's taken a while for them to get up to speed with the ethics of the club, but no one can really criticise their (so far) willingness to back us in the transfer market especially when taking into consideration the higher revenue of our competitors and the currrent recession that's hit us where it hurts.

We now need to come up with a financial strategy to look towards funding the stadium. If that doesn't happen and profits plummet as a result, then by all means go to fucking town on them. Just don't put words in my mouth, I was just pointing out a few facts with regards to our activity in the transfer market since their arrival.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=34756.msg908007#msg908007 date=1247935988]
Mark suggests as do others that our owners are making a good job of it, I very very strongly disagree. He is entitled to think what he likes as am I.

What Mark fails to mention is our average income has increased massively from enormously better TV deals, Sky alone pay 4.8M pounds per game .... and from consecutive excellent european cup runs. i can olny guess but on average we will be dragging in annually about 15 to 20M more than say when Houllier was here.

I also found it slightly strange that whilst talking about selling one of our very best players people would come on and defend the fact that as of yet the only strengthening we've done is a right back. Personally i thought we were crying out for a decent top class attacker but ...

If you think the two are not connected then fair enough. I accept that possibly Alonso wants out, he hasnt said as much yet but...

We do need an attacker and we are going to sell first before we sign anyone, BUT not because we couldnt afford the attacker without selling ... Oh no.... both totally unrelated.

Oh ps

Dont know you squiggles never met you nor never will so really there is no call for name calling, i just dont agree with you is all.


[/quote]

Regards Alonso, Rafa obviously thought he was sellable last season, though at the right price, and seemingly together with Alonso's reluctance to stay not much has changed on that score.

Rafa might have been told we've got say £20m to spend plus whatever's gained from sales. So rather than going for second best, as he's been rightly criticised for in the past, he's weighed up the situation. We want Silva and we want Johnson, only one is available within our budget, so rather than compromising ourselves, we get one of them and hope something can be worked out on the other at another time.

Criticise the limitation of the budget and how that's been effected G&H's own fuckups, but we've worked exactly right with what we've got this Summer, don't make it sound like Rafa is being 'forced' to sell Alonso, it was only 12 months ago he was deemed surplus, and Rafa's no pushover with players when it comes to picking and choosing when they want to show form.

 

[Molbystwin]

Fair enough mark... and my response was overly sarky its true.

Look from my point of view we are not really in for better players than we were before IMO and if we are then that will most likely to be because of our consistently improving income due to CL prize money and SKY etc....

As far as i can see those two are holding us back with debt interest not bringing us on, and they wont do until they provide the stadium.... fifty odd million in three years is reasonable investment in the team but the truth is that plenty of teams are doing just that because the league is absolutely awash with money. Whatever way you look at it they are sucking money out in one way or another because we are servicing the debts that they incrued, not what we wanted really is it??

I just saw a post which pointed out uniteds owners as a negative and thought POT KETTLE etc...

Or are our leeches good leeches??

Anyway enough of that.... everyone is talking as though Alonso is a done deal and i still havent seen why yet other than a report in Marca or some other such shiterag. IS there any concrete sources to this hysteria?? An actuall quote from Xabi .... picture of him in a Real shirt etc...

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34756.msg908023#msg908023 date=1247938239]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=34756.msg908007#msg908007 date=1247935988]
Mark suggests as do others that our owners are making a good job of it, I very very strongly disagree. He is entitled to think what he likes as am I.

What Mark fails to mention is our average income has increased massively from enormously better TV deals, Sky alone pay 4.8M pounds per game .... and from consecutive excellent european cup runs. i can olny guess but on average we will be dragging in annually about 15 to 20M more than say when Houllier was here.

I also found it slightly strange that whilst talking about selling one of our very best players people would come on and defend the fact that as of yet the only strengthening we've done is a right back. Personally i thought we were crying out for a decent top class attacker but ...

If you think the two are not connected then fair enough. I accept that possibly Alonso wants out, he hasnt said as much yet but...

We do need an attacker and we are going to sell first before we sign anyone, BUT not because we couldnt afford the attacker without selling ... Oh no.... both totally unrelated.

Oh ps

Dont know you squiggles never met you nor never will so really there is no call for name calling, i just dont agree with you is all.


[/quote]

Regards Alonso, Rafa obviously thought he was sellable last season, though at the right price, and seemingly together with Alonso's reluctance to stay not much has changed on that score.

Rafa might have been told we've got say £20m to spend plus whatever's gained from sales. So rather than going for second best, as he's been rightly criticised for in the past, he's weighed up the situation. We want Silva and we want Johnson, only one is available within our budget, so rather than compromising ourselves, we get one of them and hope something can be worked out on the other at another time.

Criticise the limitation of the budget and how that's been effected G&H's own fuckups, but we've worked exactly right with what we've got this Summer, don't make it sound like Rafa is being 'forced' to sell Alonso, it was only 12 months ago he was deemed surplus, and Rafa's no pushover with players when it comes to picking and choosing when they want to show form.
[/quote]

My assertion is that if we had a better transfer kitty and were able to strengthen the squad without selling Alonso then we would not be selling Alonso.

If you see my logic.

And whatever the rights and wrongs of it all i dont think anyone can deny that we are selling to buy because we dont have enough money to strengthen the team.

I would usually go on to point that that this makes me angry at our owners and call them cunts but you all know what i think about them already so i wont ..... anyway i still dont think hes going!

 

[RealRedBlood]

Would much rather have Negredo other than Torres I don't trust any of our strikers to put in a good performance up front on thier own as the lone striker.

 

[Squiggles]

What makes you think Negredo can?

I reckon we'd go 4-4-2 anyway.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=34756.msg908032#msg908032 date=1247939314]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34756.msg908023#msg908023 date=1247938239]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=34756.msg908007#msg908007 date=1247935988]
Mark suggests as do others that our owners are making a good job of it, I very very strongly disagree. He is entitled to think what he likes as am I.

What Mark fails to mention is our average income has increased massively from enormously better TV deals, Sky alone pay 4.8M pounds per game .... and from consecutive excellent european cup runs. i can olny guess but on average we will be dragging in annually about 15 to 20M more than say when Houllier was here.

I also found it slightly strange that whilst talking about selling one of our very best players people would come on and defend the fact that as of yet the only strengthening we've done is a right back. Personally i thought we were crying out for a decent top class attacker but ...

If you think the two are not connected then fair enough. I accept that possibly Alonso wants out, he hasnt said as much yet but...

We do need an attacker and we are going to sell first before we sign anyone, BUT not because we couldnt afford the attacker without selling ... Oh no.... both totally unrelated.

Oh ps

Dont know you squiggles never met you nor never will so really there is no call for name calling, i just dont agree with you is all.


[/quote]

Regards Alonso, Rafa obviously thought he was sellable last season, though at the right price, and seemingly together with Alonso's reluctance to stay not much has changed on that score.

Rafa might have been told we've got say £20m to spend plus whatever's gained from sales. So rather than going for second best, as he's been rightly criticised for in the past, he's weighed up the situation. We want Silva and we want Johnson, only one is available within our budget, so rather than compromising ourselves, we get one of them and hope something can be worked out on the other at another time.

Criticise the limitation of the budget and how that's been effected G&H's own fuckups, but we've worked exactly right with what we've got this Summer, don't make it sound like Rafa is being 'forced' to sell Alonso, it was only 12 months ago he was deemed surplus, and Rafa's no pushover with players when it comes to picking and choosing when they want to show form.
[/quote]

My assertion is that if we had a better transfer kitty and were able to strengthen the squad without selling Alonso then we would not be selling Alonso.

If you see my logic.

And whatever the rights and wrongs of it all i dont think anyone can deny that we are selling to buy because we dont have enough money to strengthen the team.

I would usually go on to point that that this makes me angry at our owners and call them cunts but you all know what i think about them already so i wont ..... anyway i still dont think hes going!
[/quote]You've made some fucking god awful posts in this thread. Fairly consistently irrelevant too. Well done.

 

[Molbystwin]

Oncy this is a thread based purely upon transfer gossip, goosip which people have assumed is gospel it seems.

As far as anyone knows apart from gossip from newspapers all we know is that Alonso is tempted to go home but wouldnt mind staying.... and thats it.

Our own manager has said that we have a limited budget and it seems, according to said gossip, that we will be selling one of best players.

To my mind we would not be selling one of our best players in order to strengthen if we didnt need to from a financial viewpoint.

I cant see how my pointing that out is strictly speaking irrelevant but crack on chief ... no problems...

Personally im a bit pissed off that all we can afford is a right back and that we are loooking to sell before further acquisitions are made considering that our first eleven is tip top and its depth we need.

Two weeks ago i read post after post stating how people would be psised of if all we signed was Jonhson, in a poll i ran the other day 50% of posters seemed to think that we would be signing a class player without seeing anybody leaving, fucking deluded IMO. The very next day Rafa came out and said we wouldnt be ...

Its obviously unrelated we are selling eh....

whatever.

To post in digs about the relevance or irrelevance of my posts when you are wrong is frankly laughable.

It would be nice if you could disagree on here without getting in a row about it, some of you think the owners are doing there best and are sound, i disagree. But to suggest that the prospective sale of our best players in order to recruit is nothing to do with money is just barmy IMO.

 

[FoxForceFive]

That's just it though mate, most of us dont think we're selling Xabi to recruit new players.

Rafa wanted rid last season, that pissed Alonso off. Now Rafa's faced with an unhappy Alonso who performed very well & wants to be off, & RM who need a top Spanish signing.

He obviously said no-one was leaving, he's hardly gonna say otherwise.

 

[Molbystwin]

We are selling Xabi for what if not to recruit new players???

I dont believe for a second that Rafa wouldnt hold Xabi to his contract if he could see a way of strengthening the team without selling. Xabi hasnt got a leg to stand on, he likes the club and the fans and is has long contract he would not risk being onthe bench in world cup year....

anyway.... agree to disagree.... i'll leave it....


lets hope he satys and IF he goes then we get a good player in his stead.

 

[keniget]

Every single thing that's been printed or said this summer has suggested that it is Xabi that wants a move. Why does any club sell a key player when they don't have to?

We'll use the money to fund new signings, sure, but that's besides the point.