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the_khl
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
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And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
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So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
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So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
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[/quote]Why bother mate.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
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[/quote]Why bother mate.
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the_khl
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
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He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
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He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
Hmmm maybe Lucas is a natural RB just played out of position too??? Y
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
Hmmm maybe Lucas is a natural RB just played out of position too??? Y
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=41672.msg1167070#msg1167070 date=1283249879]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
Hmmm maybe Lucas is a natural RB just played out of position too??? Y
[/quote]
Maybe. I'll rest my case anyways.
I KNOW THE TRUTH!
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
Hmmm maybe Lucas is a natural RB just played out of position too??? Y
[/quote]
Maybe. I'll rest my case anyways.
I KNOW THE TRUTH!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]
Forgot about that actually, as he was also partly to blame for their first goal. You're right though that was poor defending. Whether it was down to him still suffering from concussion is irrelevant as it harmed our chances.
That said I still believe he adds more to the table than Skrtel hence he should play.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]
Forgot about that actually, as he was also partly to blame for their first goal. You're right though that was poor defending. Whether it was down to him still suffering from concussion is irrelevant as it harmed our chances.
That said I still believe he adds more to the table than Skrtel hence he should play.
T
the_khl
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[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41672.msg1167079#msg1167079 date=1283250047]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
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I'm listening now mate!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167081#msg1167081 date=1283250155]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]
Forgot about that actually, as he was also partly to blame for their first goal. You're right though that was poor defending. Whether it was down to him still suffering from concussion is irrelevant as it harmed our chances.
That said I still believe he adds more to the table than Skrtel hence he should play.
[/quote]
As I recall their second goal was a clear foul to one of our players (Climbing- not allowed) before the ball was headed down in the room Lucas just left (why on earth would you leave that room open, especially when the opposition player remained there).
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]
Forgot about that actually, as he was also partly to blame for their first goal. You're right though that was poor defending. Whether it was down to him still suffering from concussion is irrelevant as it harmed our chances.
That said I still believe he adds more to the table than Skrtel hence he should play.
[/quote]
As I recall their second goal was a clear foul to one of our players (Climbing- not allowed) before the ball was headed down in the room Lucas just left (why on earth would you leave that room open, especially when the opposition player remained there).
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skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
T
the_khl
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
[/quote]
Case closed.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167084#msg1167084 date=1283250242]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41672.msg1167079#msg1167079 date=1283250047]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
[/quote]
Case closed.
T
the_khl
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BTW I'm joining your army Oncy.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167100#msg1167100 date=1283251321]
BTW I'm joining your army Oncy.
[/quote]
*looking forward to Armadillo II*
BTW I'm joining your army Oncy.
[/quote]
*looking forward to Armadillo II*
T
the_khl
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=41672.msg1167104#msg1167104 date=1283251431]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167100#msg1167100 date=1283251321]
BTW I'm joining your army Oncy.
[/quote]
*looking forward to Armadillo II*
[/quote]
I MEANT THE DUMBLEDORE FICTIONAL ONE.... I hate war... haven't even seen the movie to be honest although I've heard it's very interesting viewing.
I hate war with a vengeance.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167100#msg1167100 date=1283251321]
BTW I'm joining your army Oncy.
[/quote]
*looking forward to Armadillo II*
[/quote]
I MEANT THE DUMBLEDORE FICTIONAL ONE.... I hate war... haven't even seen the movie to be honest although I've heard it's very interesting viewing.
I hate war with a vengeance.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167096#msg1167096 date=1283251130]
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
[/quote]
Case closed.
[/quote]
What's "whoosh" in Danish?
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41672.msg1167089#msg1167089 date=1283250387]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167084#msg1167084 date=1283250242]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41672.msg1167079#msg1167079 date=1283250047]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167072#msg1167072 date=1283249914]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167067#msg1167067 date=1283249810]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1167065#msg1167065 date=1283249705]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
[/quote]
Case closed.
[/quote]
What's "whoosh" in Danish?
T
the_khl
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
[/quote]
Case closed.
[/quote]
What's "whoosh" in Danish?
[/quote]
Ehm...?
I know what Oncy was saying I just took advantage of the way it was written...
We don't really have one word for wush but if I find one I'll make sure you'll be the first one to know mate...
*BIG CHEESY GRIN*
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167006#msg1167006 date=1283247397]
skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[/quote]
So that's more or less what Agger did for City's second goal.
Next...
[/quote]
He was played out of position Mark. You really just can't overlook that fact no matter how poor you thought he was?
[/quote]
It was a set piece KHL, and he was marking centrally, doing exactly what he would have been doing at centre back. Granted he's not a left back, but City's second goal was from a setpiece of which he was stood in the middle of the box supposedly picking up their player. What bearing does him playing left back have on that goal? None whatsoever.
[/quote]I dont think you are listening to me Mark.
[/quote]
I'm listening now mate!
[/quote]There will always be something mate. Hes out of position, he may have been concussed, he just had a new tattoo.......I just dont see the point at all. Skrtel is never going to be as good as Agger REGARDLESS of the evidence. So let it go, for your own sanity.
[/quote]
Case closed.
[/quote]
What's "whoosh" in Danish?
[/quote]
Ehm...?
I know what Oncy was saying I just took advantage of the way it was written...
We don't really have one word for wush but if I find one I'll make sure you'll be the first one to know mate...
*BIG CHEESY GRIN*
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167082#msg1167082 date=1283250188]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[/quote]
Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[/quote]
Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167467#msg1167467 date=1283264306]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167082#msg1167082 date=1283250188]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[/quote]
Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
[/quote]
I dont think the difference between the two is as great as N'gog vs Torres...
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167082#msg1167082 date=1283250188]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[/quote]
Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
[/quote]
I dont think the difference between the two is as great as N'gog vs Torres...
Mark,
I'm not really sure what your agenda in this thread is..
1. Do you want to prove that KHL is biased towards Agger by taking a polar opposite stance?
2. Or do you genuinely think that Skrtel is a superior player to Agger?
If it's the first, i see where you come from and if it's the later i struggle to see the validity of the statementsyou have made.
There is not much in it between the two defenders. Agger does not make more errors than Skrtel. Agger is in fact better at reading the play and making interceptions. Skrtel uses his pace(to good effect) to bail him out of tough positions. So they are a bit different to each other. Neither of them are as strong as Hyypia in the air, but they both are better than Carra at winning Aerial battles or at least on par with Carra. Some people on this thread are making them out to be as poor as Insua at heading the ball.
I think, off all the areas in the pitch, CB is a position that worries me the least. We have got weakness in every other position.
I'm not really sure what your agenda in this thread is..
1. Do you want to prove that KHL is biased towards Agger by taking a polar opposite stance?
2. Or do you genuinely think that Skrtel is a superior player to Agger?
If it's the first, i see where you come from and if it's the later i struggle to see the validity of the statementsyou have made.
There is not much in it between the two defenders. Agger does not make more errors than Skrtel. Agger is in fact better at reading the play and making interceptions. Skrtel uses his pace(to good effect) to bail him out of tough positions. So they are a bit different to each other. Neither of them are as strong as Hyypia in the air, but they both are better than Carra at winning Aerial battles or at least on par with Carra. Some people on this thread are making them out to be as poor as Insua at heading the ball.
I think, off all the areas in the pitch, CB is a position that worries me the least. We have got weakness in every other position.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41672.msg1167480#msg1167480 date=1283265112]
Mark,
I'm not really sure what your agenda in this thread is..
1. Do you want to prove that KHL is biased towards Agger by taking a polar opposite stance?
2. Or do you genuinely think that Skrtel is a superior player to Agger?
If it's the first, i see where you come from and if it's the later i struggle to see the validity of the statementsyou have made.
There is not much in it between the two defenders. Agger does not make more errors than Skrtel. Agger is in fact better at reading the play and making interceptions. Skrtel uses his pace(to good effect) to bail him out of tough positions. So they are a bit different to each other. Neither of them are as strong as Hyypia in the air, but they both are better than Carra at winning Aerial battles or at least on par with Carra. Some people on this thread are making them out to be as poor as Insua at heading the ball.
I think, off all the areas in the pitch, CB is a position that worries me the least. We have got weakness in every other position.
[/quote]
To be fair, I was drunk or hungover when I posted most of my posts on this thread. That said, it's difficult not to react to the hyperbole posted in relation to Agger by his 'fans'.
Just to be clear, I rate both players though I think neither have done enough to justify a secure future, both have shown more than enough promise to be persevered with. What I take liberties with is the following bollocks assertions:
* Agger is a brilliant passer of the ball who adds a new dynamic to our forward play - No he doesn't, well nowhere near consistently enough anyway, doing it a handful of times a season is neither here nor there.
* Agger is the our best defender in the air. Again, he's as culpable as anyone for us getting caught from setpieces (not saying he does it more than anyone, they ALL do it).
* Neil's constant banging on about Skrtel's positional sense. My main criticism of him is that he's a tight marker that often jumps in rashly instead of holding a player up. That comes with experience and can be ironed out. Some of his positional play this season has been excellent and his clearances, both on the deck and aerially confirm that.
* Yes both players make mistakes, and it only gets highlighted by me when people choose to act as though Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen (in defence of Agger), when the reality is that Agger makes mistakes, he's done it at centre back and fullback, so it's not a criticism of him whilst playing out of position. I really don't agree that Agger makes less mistakes, it's at least marginal, and some of his gaffs have been far worse than Skrtel's.
*Skrtel's forward play is poor. It's not as 'good' as Agger's can be but it's not poor either, he's fairly adept at bring the ball out when he wants to. He might be more inclined to hoof it when needs be, but that what some defenders do and it's not always possible to play your way out of danger. Some posters make it sound like he spends all game hoofing it to the striker.
Mark,
I'm not really sure what your agenda in this thread is..
1. Do you want to prove that KHL is biased towards Agger by taking a polar opposite stance?
2. Or do you genuinely think that Skrtel is a superior player to Agger?
If it's the first, i see where you come from and if it's the later i struggle to see the validity of the statementsyou have made.
There is not much in it between the two defenders. Agger does not make more errors than Skrtel. Agger is in fact better at reading the play and making interceptions. Skrtel uses his pace(to good effect) to bail him out of tough positions. So they are a bit different to each other. Neither of them are as strong as Hyypia in the air, but they both are better than Carra at winning Aerial battles or at least on par with Carra. Some people on this thread are making them out to be as poor as Insua at heading the ball.
I think, off all the areas in the pitch, CB is a position that worries me the least. We have got weakness in every other position.
[/quote]
To be fair, I was drunk or hungover when I posted most of my posts on this thread. That said, it's difficult not to react to the hyperbole posted in relation to Agger by his 'fans'.
Just to be clear, I rate both players though I think neither have done enough to justify a secure future, both have shown more than enough promise to be persevered with. What I take liberties with is the following bollocks assertions:
* Agger is a brilliant passer of the ball who adds a new dynamic to our forward play - No he doesn't, well nowhere near consistently enough anyway, doing it a handful of times a season is neither here nor there.
* Agger is the our best defender in the air. Again, he's as culpable as anyone for us getting caught from setpieces (not saying he does it more than anyone, they ALL do it).
* Neil's constant banging on about Skrtel's positional sense. My main criticism of him is that he's a tight marker that often jumps in rashly instead of holding a player up. That comes with experience and can be ironed out. Some of his positional play this season has been excellent and his clearances, both on the deck and aerially confirm that.
* Yes both players make mistakes, and it only gets highlighted by me when people choose to act as though Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen (in defence of Agger), when the reality is that Agger makes mistakes, he's done it at centre back and fullback, so it's not a criticism of him whilst playing out of position. I really don't agree that Agger makes less mistakes, it's at least marginal, and some of his gaffs have been far worse than Skrtel's.
*Skrtel's forward play is poor. It's not as 'good' as Agger's can be but it's not poor either, he's fairly adept at bring the ball out when he wants to. He might be more inclined to hoof it when needs be, but that what some defenders do and it's not always possible to play your way out of danger. Some posters make it sound like he spends all game hoofing it to the striker.
[quote author=RMA link=topic=41672.msg1167479#msg1167479 date=1283265092]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167467#msg1167467 date=1283264306]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167082#msg1167082 date=1283250188]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[/quote]
Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
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I dont think the difference between the two is as great as N'gog vs Torres...
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I was being sarcastic, obviously
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
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And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
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He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
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N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
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Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
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I dont think the difference between the two is as great as N'gog vs Torres...
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I was being sarcastic, obviously
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[quote author=RMA link=topic=41672.msg1167479#msg1167479 date=1283265092]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167467#msg1167467 date=1283264306]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167082#msg1167082 date=1283250188]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
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And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
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N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
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Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
[/quote]
I dont think the difference between the two is as great as N'gog vs Torres...
[/quote]
I was being sarcastic, obviously
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Sorry if thats the case.
[quote author=RMA link=topic=41672.msg1167479#msg1167479 date=1283265092]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167467#msg1167467 date=1283264306]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167082#msg1167082 date=1283250188]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167073#msg1167073 date=1283249958]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167058#msg1167058 date=1283249523]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41672.msg1167054#msg1167054 date=1283249077]
Skrtel put in one of the worst performances in recent memory in the fullback position.
Just saying.
[/quote]
And that's the gist of it really. Most CBs, a few excepted, will look headless outhere as it's a completely different approach.
Fair play if posters thinks Skrtels the better defender of the two but to argue he should start because he's been better in the last few games compared to a CB played out of position is daft.
[/quote]
He should start because he's had a fine start to the season and doesn't deserve to be dropped, it has nothing to do with Agger's performances at LB.
[/quote]
N'Gog's had a fine start as well?
[/quote]
Yeah good point, comparing Skrtel to Agger is like comparing Ngog to Torres.
[/quote]
I dont think the difference between the two is as great as N'gog vs Torres...
[/quote]
I was being sarcastic, obviously
[/quote]
Sorry if thats the case.
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41672.msg1167480#msg1167480 date=1283265112]
Mark,
I'm not really sure what your agenda in this thread is..
1. Do you want to prove that KHL is biased towards Agger by taking a polar opposite stance?
2. Or do you genuinely think that Skrtel is a superior player to Agger?
If it's the first, i see where you come from and if it's the later i struggle to see the validity of the statementsyou have made.
There is not much in it between the two defenders. Agger does not make more errors than Skrtel. Agger is in fact better at reading the play and making interceptions. Skrtel uses his pace(to good effect) to bail him out of tough positions. So they are a bit different to each other. Neither of them are as strong as Hyypia in the air, but they both are better than Carra at winning Aerial battles or at least on par with Carra. Some people on this thread are making them out to be as poor as Insua at heading the ball.
I think, off all the areas in the pitch, CB is a position that worries me the least. We have got weakness in every other position.
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To be fair, I was drunk or hungover when I posted most of my posts on this thread. That said, it's difficult not to react to the hyperbole posted in relation to Agger by his 'fans'.
Just to be clear, I rate both players though I think neither have done enough to justify a secure future, both have shown more than enough promise to be persevered with. What I take liberties with is the following bollocks assertions:
* Agger is a brilliant passer of the ball who adds a new dynamic to our forward play - No he doesn't, well nowhere near consistently enough anyway, doing it a handful of times a season is neither here nor there.
* Agger is the our best defender in the air. Again, he's as culpable as anyone for us getting caught from setpieces (not saying he does it more than anyone, they ALL do it).
* Neil's constant banging on about Skrtel's positional sense. My main criticism of him is that he's a tight marker that often jumps in rashly instead of holding a player up. That comes with experience and can be ironed out. Some of his positional play this season has been excellent and his clearances, both on the deck and aerially confirm that.
* Yes both players make mistakes, and it only gets highlighted by me when people choose to act as though Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen (in defence of Agger), when the reality is that Agger makes mistakes, he's done it at centre back and fullback, so it's not a criticism of him whilst playing out of position. I really don't agree that Agger makes less mistakes, it's at least marginal, and some of his gaffs have been far worse than Skrtel's.
*Skrtel's forward play is poor. It's not as 'good' as Agger's can be but it's not poor either, he's fairly adept at bring the ball out when he wants to. He might be more inclined to hoof it when needs be, but that what some defenders do and it's not always possible to play your way out of danger. Some posters make it sound like he spends all game hoofing it to the striker.
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Fair enough. I agree that there is not a lot between them in any discipline. So it is a pointless exercise to argue who is the better of the two. Whoever Roy uses to play CB, we can be sure they will put in a competent display alongside Carra.
As a personal choice, i do like the composed manner in which Agger plays when he is at CB. I hope his experience at LB has added something to his game.
We shall wait and see who makes the step up to own that place in the starting 11.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41672.msg1167480#msg1167480 date=1283265112]
Mark,
I'm not really sure what your agenda in this thread is..
1. Do you want to prove that KHL is biased towards Agger by taking a polar opposite stance?
2. Or do you genuinely think that Skrtel is a superior player to Agger?
If it's the first, i see where you come from and if it's the later i struggle to see the validity of the statementsyou have made.
There is not much in it between the two defenders. Agger does not make more errors than Skrtel. Agger is in fact better at reading the play and making interceptions. Skrtel uses his pace(to good effect) to bail him out of tough positions. So they are a bit different to each other. Neither of them are as strong as Hyypia in the air, but they both are better than Carra at winning Aerial battles or at least on par with Carra. Some people on this thread are making them out to be as poor as Insua at heading the ball.
I think, off all the areas in the pitch, CB is a position that worries me the least. We have got weakness in every other position.
[/quote]
To be fair, I was drunk or hungover when I posted most of my posts on this thread. That said, it's difficult not to react to the hyperbole posted in relation to Agger by his 'fans'.
Just to be clear, I rate both players though I think neither have done enough to justify a secure future, both have shown more than enough promise to be persevered with. What I take liberties with is the following bollocks assertions:
* Agger is a brilliant passer of the ball who adds a new dynamic to our forward play - No he doesn't, well nowhere near consistently enough anyway, doing it a handful of times a season is neither here nor there.
* Agger is the our best defender in the air. Again, he's as culpable as anyone for us getting caught from setpieces (not saying he does it more than anyone, they ALL do it).
* Neil's constant banging on about Skrtel's positional sense. My main criticism of him is that he's a tight marker that often jumps in rashly instead of holding a player up. That comes with experience and can be ironed out. Some of his positional play this season has been excellent and his clearances, both on the deck and aerially confirm that.
* Yes both players make mistakes, and it only gets highlighted by me when people choose to act as though Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen (in defence of Agger), when the reality is that Agger makes mistakes, he's done it at centre back and fullback, so it's not a criticism of him whilst playing out of position. I really don't agree that Agger makes less mistakes, it's at least marginal, and some of his gaffs have been far worse than Skrtel's.
*Skrtel's forward play is poor. It's not as 'good' as Agger's can be but it's not poor either, he's fairly adept at bring the ball out when he wants to. He might be more inclined to hoof it when needs be, but that what some defenders do and it's not always possible to play your way out of danger. Some posters make it sound like he spends all game hoofing it to the striker.
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Fair enough. I agree that there is not a lot between them in any discipline. So it is a pointless exercise to argue who is the better of the two. Whoever Roy uses to play CB, we can be sure they will put in a competent display alongside Carra.
As a personal choice, i do like the composed manner in which Agger plays when he is at CB. I hope his experience at LB has added something to his game.
We shall wait and see who makes the step up to own that place in the starting 11.
Agger would not have played against city if he was still suffering from concussion.
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