If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
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I have faith he'll do the right thing 😉
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
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I have faith he'll do the right thing 😉
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41672.msg1166505#msg1166505 date=1283195278]
I think the issue yesterday wasn't that he was doing but who blatant it was, although loads of defenders do it they aren't as obvious.
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martin's positional sense is just plain wrong, you see it when he marks players (he was lucky not to give a away a penalty, yesterday) and when he goes in for challenges (like the penalty he DID give away v city) and for fuck's sakes martin, STAY ON YOUR FEET!
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Whereas Agger's ability to stay on his feet and read the game so exceptionally allows the likes of Adam Johnson to walk past him, at least he didn't dive in eh?
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I don't get the point you are making, marky? if you think I think agger is some amazing defender, you're wrong, I just think he's better than skrtel, that's good enough for me, especially when it's 'carra +1'.
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Based on what?
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I think he reads the game better, is a better header of the ball and can competently bring the ball out of defense. anyway, we'll soon see which of the two roy rates higher in the very next league game with the new left back almost certainly starting, meaning a straight choice of skrtel or agger dropping to the bench.
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Like I said, based on what? The idea of Agger on paper? Where has he proven he's a better header of the ball? You like the idea of Agger because he's more attacking (apparently). It's bullshit and based on fuckall.
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41672.msg1166505#msg1166505 date=1283195278]
I think the issue yesterday wasn't that he was doing but who blatant it was, although loads of defenders do it they aren't as obvious.
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martin's positional sense is just plain wrong, you see it when he marks players (he was lucky not to give a away a penalty, yesterday) and when he goes in for challenges (like the penalty he DID give away v city) and for fuck's sakes martin, STAY ON YOUR FEET!
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Whereas Agger's ability to stay on his feet and read the game so exceptionally allows the likes of Adam Johnson to walk past him, at least he didn't dive in eh?
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I don't get the point you are making, marky? if you think I think agger is some amazing defender, you're wrong, I just think he's better than skrtel, that's good enough for me, especially when it's 'carra +1'.
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Based on what?
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I think he reads the game better, is a better header of the ball and can competently bring the ball out of defense. anyway, we'll soon see which of the two roy rates higher in the very next league game with the new left back almost certainly starting, meaning a straight choice of skrtel or agger dropping to the bench.
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Like I said, based on what? The idea of Agger on paper? Where has he proven he's a better header of the ball? You like the idea of Agger because he's more attacking (apparently). It's bullshit and based on fuckall.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1166538#msg1166538 date=1283196966]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166530#msg1166530 date=1283196613]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1166526#msg1166526 date=1283196424]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166511#msg1166511 date=1283195624]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41672.msg1166505#msg1166505 date=1283195278]
I think the issue yesterday wasn't that he was doing but who blatant it was, although loads of defenders do it they aren't as obvious.
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martin's positional sense is just plain wrong, you see it when he marks players (he was lucky not to give a away a penalty, yesterday) and when he goes in for challenges (like the penalty he DID give away v city) and for fuck's sakes martin, STAY ON YOUR FEET!
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Whereas Agger's ability to stay on his feet and read the game so exceptionally allows the likes of Adam Johnson to walk past him, at least he didn't dive in eh?
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I don't get the point you are making, marky? if you think I think agger is some amazing defender, you're wrong, I just think he's better than skrtel, that's good enough for me, especially when it's 'carra +1'.
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Based on what?
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I think he reads the game better, is a better header of the ball and can competently bring the ball out of defense. anyway, we'll soon see which of the two roy rates higher in the very next league game with the new left back almost certainly starting, meaning a straight choice of skrtel or agger dropping to the bench.
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Like I said, based on what? The idea of Agger on paper? Where has he proven he's a better header of the ball? You like the idea of Agger because he's more attacking (apparently). It's bullshit and based on fuckall.
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based on agger being less prone to errors than skrtel, some of the errors I've seen from skrtel have bordered on criminal, like for instance how he was attempting to man mark the WBA attacker for a corner, it was so shocking sky actually replayed it to show how NOT to man mark an attacker.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41672.msg1166526#msg1166526 date=1283196424]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166511#msg1166511 date=1283195624]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41672.msg1166505#msg1166505 date=1283195278]
I think the issue yesterday wasn't that he was doing but who blatant it was, although loads of defenders do it they aren't as obvious.
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martin's positional sense is just plain wrong, you see it when he marks players (he was lucky not to give a away a penalty, yesterday) and when he goes in for challenges (like the penalty he DID give away v city) and for fuck's sakes martin, STAY ON YOUR FEET!
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Whereas Agger's ability to stay on his feet and read the game so exceptionally allows the likes of Adam Johnson to walk past him, at least he didn't dive in eh?
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I don't get the point you are making, marky? if you think I think agger is some amazing defender, you're wrong, I just think he's better than skrtel, that's good enough for me, especially when it's 'carra +1'.
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Based on what?
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I think he reads the game better, is a better header of the ball and can competently bring the ball out of defense. anyway, we'll soon see which of the two roy rates higher in the very next league game with the new left back almost certainly starting, meaning a straight choice of skrtel or agger dropping to the bench.
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Like I said, based on what? The idea of Agger on paper? Where has he proven he's a better header of the ball? You like the idea of Agger because he's more attacking (apparently). It's bullshit and based on fuckall.
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based on agger being less prone to errors than skrtel, some of the errors I've seen from skrtel have bordered on criminal, like for instance how he was attempting to man mark the WBA attacker for a corner, it was so shocking sky actually replayed it to show how NOT to man mark an attacker.
Agger fucks up badly at least once a game too
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166614#msg1166614 date=1283201427]
Agger fucks up badly at least once a game too
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Yes. Agger being less error prone. It's funny how Skrtel 'looks' like he's going to fuck up, whereas Agger actually 'does', quite regularly.
Agger fucks up badly at least once a game too
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Yes. Agger being less error prone. It's funny how Skrtel 'looks' like he's going to fuck up, whereas Agger actually 'does', quite regularly.
Agger makes it look effortless 😉
I'll conceed agger hasn't been the best at fullback, but he isn't a fullback.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
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There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
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There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166955#msg1166955 date=1283246134]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
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There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
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the_khl
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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Skrtel has been better so far agreed but he's been played in his preffered position compared to Agger. Imagine if it had been the other way around?
We'd probably be comparing Skrtel to Lucas and Insua by now.
Agger is a better footballer overall and he offers more to the team than any of Kyrgiakos or Skrtel. That's not saying there isn't room for any of those two but when everyones fit we'll see the best players on the pitch and Agger is most certainly one of those.
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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Skrtel has been better so far agreed but he's been played in his preffered position compared to Agger. Imagine if it had been the other way around?
We'd probably be comparing Skrtel to Lucas and Insua by now.
Agger is a better footballer overall and he offers more to the team than any of Kyrgiakos or Skrtel. That's not saying there isn't room for any of those two but when everyones fit we'll see the best players on the pitch and Agger is most certainly one of those.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41672.msg1166961#msg1166961 date=1283246244]
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
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Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166955#msg1166955 date=1283246134]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
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Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41672.msg1166961#msg1166961 date=1283246244]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166955#msg1166955 date=1283246134]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
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Not really, he's been a certain starter for the World Cup finalists as well and is in fact a very good and useful player that is often being underrated
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166955#msg1166955 date=1283246134]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
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Not really, he's been a certain starter for the World Cup finalists as well and is in fact a very good and useful player that is often being underrated
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1166987#msg1166987 date=1283246829]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41672.msg1166961#msg1166961 date=1283246244]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166955#msg1166955 date=1283246134]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
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Not really, he's been a certain starter for the World Cup finalists as well and is in fact a very good and useful player that is often being underrated
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he has the touch of a rapist and doesn't have the pace or skill to be a winger
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41672.msg1166961#msg1166961 date=1283246244]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166955#msg1166955 date=1283246134]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
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its a sad indictment that kuyt is a certain starter
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Not really, he's been a certain starter for the World Cup finalists as well and is in fact a very good and useful player that is often being underrated
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he has the touch of a rapist and doesn't have the pace or skill to be a winger
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the_khl
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41672.msg1166986#msg1166986 date=1283246805]
I'm hoping the two of them end up to be a top pairing, but it's not looking too good for now.
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I doubt it too to be honest.
What I don't get about Skrtel is that - on paper and when you look at the guy - you think, wow, that's just one bad mofo and he'll kind of dominate any striker. I just don't think that's the case and I think he's still miles from Carra in that department despite the latter beeing smaller and less physical adjust.
And IF you make room for a defender like Agger you really need a no-nonsense, strong, intelligent defender beside him. We could of course just change our ways and style of play and apply someone bigger and stronger than Skrtel and get rid of Agger but it would make us less of a ball-possessing team IMO.
I'm hoping the two of them end up to be a top pairing, but it's not looking too good for now.
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I doubt it too to be honest.
What I don't get about Skrtel is that - on paper and when you look at the guy - you think, wow, that's just one bad mofo and he'll kind of dominate any striker. I just don't think that's the case and I think he's still miles from Carra in that department despite the latter beeing smaller and less physical adjust.
And IF you make room for a defender like Agger you really need a no-nonsense, strong, intelligent defender beside him. We could of course just change our ways and style of play and apply someone bigger and stronger than Skrtel and get rid of Agger but it would make us less of a ball-possessing team IMO.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166984#msg1166984 date=1283246777]
Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
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Solid but offers little to us. In 4-5-1 his deficiencies are well hidden as there are other players who can cover for his errors, in 4-4-2 his poor touch, lack of pace, and general lack of awareness cause us issues (see trabzonspor). Fine he can pop in with the occasional goal but we need goals and creativity from the wing, and he has neither in abundance.
Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
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Solid but offers little to us. In 4-5-1 his deficiencies are well hidden as there are other players who can cover for his errors, in 4-4-2 his poor touch, lack of pace, and general lack of awareness cause us issues (see trabzonspor). Fine he can pop in with the occasional goal but we need goals and creativity from the wing, and he has neither in abundance.
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41672.msg1166986#msg1166986 date=1283246805]
I'm hoping the two of them end up to be a top pairing, but it's not looking too good for now.
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I doubt it too to be honest.
What I don't get about Skrtel is that - on paper and when you look at the guy - you think, wow, that's just one bad mofo and he'll kind of dominate any striker. I just don't think that's the case and I think he's still miles from Carra in that department despite the latter beeing smaller and less physical adjust.
And IF you make room for a defender like Agger you really need a no-nonsense, strong, intelligent defender beside him. We could of course just change our ways and style of play and apply someone bigger and stronger than Skrtel and get rid of Agger but it would make us less of a ball-possessing team IMO.
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skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41672.msg1166986#msg1166986 date=1283246805]
I'm hoping the two of them end up to be a top pairing, but it's not looking too good for now.
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I doubt it too to be honest.
What I don't get about Skrtel is that - on paper and when you look at the guy - you think, wow, that's just one bad mofo and he'll kind of dominate any striker. I just don't think that's the case and I think he's still miles from Carra in that department despite the latter beeing smaller and less physical adjust.
And IF you make room for a defender like Agger you really need a no-nonsense, strong, intelligent defender beside him. We could of course just change our ways and style of play and apply someone bigger and stronger than Skrtel and get rid of Agger but it would make us less of a ball-possessing team IMO.
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skrtel's main problem is he seems incapable of positioning himself correct to snuff out danger. I remember one time the opposition scoring from a cross with skrtel positioning himself BEHIND the attacker waiting for the cross(WTF?!), the attacker then headed the goal (pretty much unchallenged). people applaud skrtel's ability to tackle, if he read the game he wouldn't NEED to make half those tackles.
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
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So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
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So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167021#msg1167021 date=1283247788]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
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So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
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if skrtel retains his place in the next league game I wont say another word on the subject as to me it will mean he rates skrtel higher than agger but I'm pretty sure agger will line up besides carra.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
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not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
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So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
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if skrtel retains his place in the next league game I wont say another word on the subject as to me it will mean he rates skrtel higher than agger but I'm pretty sure agger will line up besides carra.
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the_khl
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167030#msg1167030 date=1283248166]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167021#msg1167021 date=1283247788]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
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agger looked absolutely headless against adam johnson but he has the excuse of being out of position, skrtel has looked a little headless at CB.
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167021#msg1167021 date=1283247788]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
[/quote]
agger looked absolutely headless against adam johnson but he has the excuse of being out of position, skrtel has looked a little headless at CB.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
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There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
[/quote]Thats the Rafa Benitez school of management right there. NO ONE should be starting every game regardless of form.
Our best 11 is the 11 who are playing the best. Kuyt should not be undroppable and neither should anyone else when suffering shite form.
The only possible exceptions being the two world class players in our squad who can make something out of nothing when playing badly.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41672.msg1166552#msg1166552 date=1283197550]
If Roy picks Skrtel, will he be wrong too?
[/quote]
There are seven players in our squad of today that should be starting every game baring fitness:
Reina
Carra
Agger
Johnson
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, Meireles and Cole will start a lot of games too.
And that's our best XI right there.
It's good.
[/quote]Thats the Rafa Benitez school of management right there. NO ONE should be starting every game regardless of form.
Our best 11 is the 11 who are playing the best. Kuyt should not be undroppable and neither should anyone else when suffering shite form.
The only possible exceptions being the two world class players in our squad who can make something out of nothing when playing badly.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41672.msg1167003#msg1167003 date=1283247337]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166984#msg1166984 date=1283246777]
Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
[/quote]
Solid but offers little to us. In 4-5-1 his deficiencies are well hidden as there are other players who can cover for his errors, in 4-4-2 his poor touch, lack of pace, and general lack of awareness cause us issues (see trabzonspor). Fine he can pop in with the occasional goal but we need goals and creativity from the wing, and he has neither in abundance.
[/quote]
I agree he'll never be able to play as a winger in 4-4-2 but hopefully we won't be playing that formation anymore as we don't have the personnel or the experience for it. But in 4-5-1 (or 4-2-3-1 or whatever) he's a very useful player, far from a typical flashy winger but does a lot of hard work on and off the ball, can link up well and chips in with a considerable amount of goals and assists (I doubt many wingers/AMs can match his stats).
Now I'm not saying he's the bestest around as he has his flaws, most notably his first touch, but saying it's a sad state of affairs having Dirk Kuyt as first choice is just wrong.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166984#msg1166984 date=1283246777]
Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
[/quote]
Solid but offers little to us. In 4-5-1 his deficiencies are well hidden as there are other players who can cover for his errors, in 4-4-2 his poor touch, lack of pace, and general lack of awareness cause us issues (see trabzonspor). Fine he can pop in with the occasional goal but we need goals and creativity from the wing, and he has neither in abundance.
[/quote]
I agree he'll never be able to play as a winger in 4-4-2 but hopefully we won't be playing that formation anymore as we don't have the personnel or the experience for it. But in 4-5-1 (or 4-2-3-1 or whatever) he's a very useful player, far from a typical flashy winger but does a lot of hard work on and off the ball, can link up well and chips in with a considerable amount of goals and assists (I doubt many wingers/AMs can match his stats).
Now I'm not saying he's the bestest around as he has his flaws, most notably his first touch, but saying it's a sad state of affairs having Dirk Kuyt as first choice is just wrong.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41672.msg1167003#msg1167003 date=1283247337]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166984#msg1166984 date=1283246777]
Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
[/quote]
Solid but offers little to us. In 4-5-1 his deficiencies are well hidden as there are other players who can cover for his errors, in 4-4-2 his poor touch, lack of pace, and general lack of awareness cause us issues (see trabzonspor). Fine he can pop in with the occasional goal but we need goals and creativity from the wing, and he has neither in abundance.
[/quote]
It's homicidal to play Kuyt as a winger in a 4-4-2, true.
His only possible use is as striker in a 4-4-2 in all fairness.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1166984#msg1166984 date=1283246777]
Is it?
I know he's got his flaws mate but he's after all only one of two players in the team today who's been playing in a World Cup final.
Over the course of a Season he's a very solid player. For any team.
[/quote]
Solid but offers little to us. In 4-5-1 his deficiencies are well hidden as there are other players who can cover for his errors, in 4-4-2 his poor touch, lack of pace, and general lack of awareness cause us issues (see trabzonspor). Fine he can pop in with the occasional goal but we need goals and creativity from the wing, and he has neither in abundance.
[/quote]
It's homicidal to play Kuyt as a winger in a 4-4-2, true.
His only possible use is as striker in a 4-4-2 in all fairness.
T
the_khl
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[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167021#msg1167021 date=1283247788]
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
[/quote]
agger looked absolutely headless against adam johnson but he has the excuse of being out of position, skrtel has looked a little headless at CB.
[/quote]
Well... Agger WAS headless against Johnson. Litterally speaking.
How on earth the doctors allowed him to play is well beyond me even though Agger deemed himself fit to play. He always does however and they should be aware of this stupid tendency of his.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167030#msg1167030 date=1283248166]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167021#msg1167021 date=1283247788]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
[/quote]
agger looked absolutely headless against adam johnson but he has the excuse of being out of position, skrtel has looked a little headless at CB.
[/quote]
Well... Agger WAS headless against Johnson. Litterally speaking.
How on earth the doctors allowed him to play is well beyond me even though Agger deemed himself fit to play. He always does however and they should be aware of this stupid tendency of his.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167046#msg1167046 date=1283248918]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167035#msg1167035 date=1283248316]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167030#msg1167030 date=1283248166]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167021#msg1167021 date=1283247788]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
[/quote]
agger looked absolutely headless against adam johnson but he has the excuse of being out of position, skrtel has looked a little headless at CB.
[/quote]
Well... Agger WAS headless against Johnson. Litterally speaking.
How on earth the doctors allowed him to play is well beyond me even though Agger deemed himself fit to play. He always does however and they should be aware of this stupid tendency of his.
[/quote]
well, he wasn't 'litterally' headless as he would, you know, have no head.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1167035#msg1167035 date=1283248316]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41672.msg1167030#msg1167030 date=1283248166]
[quote author=jan link=topic=41672.msg1167021#msg1167021 date=1283247788]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41672.msg1166967#msg1166967 date=1283246440]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41672.msg1166959#msg1166959 date=1283246219]
The greek and skrtel have both been better than agger this year. Why should he be a certain starter?
[/quote]
not really rare to compare skrtel's performances this season to agger's performances this season with one of the two being played out of position. agger is a center back being played out of position, remember when skrtel put in that shocking performance at right back when carra asked not to be played there.
[/quote]
So yeah, Skrtel was dire at right back and let's say Agger "can do a job" as a LB. But how exactly does this argument help the case of Agger getting the nod over Skrtel at CB? It only proves that the former is a more versatile player while, based on his recent performances, Skrtel deserves his place in the centre of our defense at the moment.
[/quote]
It doesn't.
But it just shows how some posters are using invalid arguments to prove a point.
I'm only arguing that Agger should play because he's the better player of the two. Nothing to do with how they've started the campaign. And I don't think Skrtels been anywhere near as good as some on here seems to believe either. He was great in the Arsenal-game but otherwise not convincing at all.
[/quote]
agger looked absolutely headless against adam johnson but he has the excuse of being out of position, skrtel has looked a little headless at CB.
[/quote]
Well... Agger WAS headless against Johnson. Litterally speaking.
How on earth the doctors allowed him to play is well beyond me even though Agger deemed himself fit to play. He always does however and they should be aware of this stupid tendency of his.
[/quote]
well, he wasn't 'litterally' headless as he would, you know, have no head.
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