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From the Guardian, now Broughton says there are "several" offers for the club. This could be a loooooong week.



Kenny Huang's bid for Liverpool is only one of "several" offers for the club, according to their chairman, Martin Broughton.

Huang has yet to enter formal due diligence, but talks are sufficiently advanced with other bidders for there to be the prospect of a takeover at Anfield before the closure of the transfer window on 31 August. That could have an effect on the future of the striker Fernando Torres, who returned to training at Melwood today.

"It still remains the objective to conclude a deal before the end of the transfer window," Broughton told the Guardian tonight. "That remains the objective but there are no deadlines, and we will continue working to complete the process."

Broughton conceded that 31 August is "a very important date" for fans and some Liverpool players. Torres is highly coveted – both Manchester City and Chelsea are reportedly on alert – but such is the Spaniard's stature that his departure would affect the valuation of the club in one bidder's case, at least.

The apparent existence of multiple bidders means that the club's US co-owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks, could end up making a significant profit from their controversial three-year tenure at Anfield. However, the pair will not have the final say in who may take over.

"There could be a possible realisation of an equity consideration," Broughton said. "But both George Gillett and Tom Hicks remain on the board and they have given commitments that the board of Kop Holdings [Liverpool's UK parent] is the party that is responsible for the sale."

Gillett and Hicks are believed to have placed an US$800m (£504m) valuation on Liverpool, but sources close to the talks insist they will have to accept a much-reduced sum once any deal is concluded. With only a calendar month until the close of the transfer window, the completion of due diligence must come fast. Yet, as an indication of how far advanced talks are with the interested parties, no money has yet been transferred into an escrow account, which would be one of the final steps before a transaction can be finalised.

Huang, a China-born Wall Street financier, raised the prospect of a bid for Liverpool on behalf of a sovereign wealth fund belonging to what has been described only as a large country in east Asia.

There had been suggestions that Huang would seek to acquire the debt from Liverpool's principal lender, Royal Bank of Scotland, in an effort to gain financial control over the club. However, Broughton insisted that is not the case.

"Any bids that go straight to RBS – and there have been several – come to me and are directed to Barcap," Broughton said. "RBS are not involved. The control remains with the board."

The part-nationalised RBS bank retains confidence that Broughton and Barcap – the investment-banking division of Barclays bank, retained to conduct takeover negotiations – will be able to conclude a deal before the next refinancing deadline, in October.

Whether that will be with Huang is another matter. However, it is known that he wishes to expedite discussions.

"He wants to get it done quickly so investment can come this summer," a source close to his proposed bid claimed. "Liverpool need investment in the playing squad and infrastructure, and Huang wants to build the [new] stadium. The club has an outstanding reputation but does not have the infrastructure to keep with it and make it grow."

One thing is clear, however. Huang considers Torres's retention at Anfield to be central to the success of his investment in Liverpool. One member of his retinue said he views the Spaniard as a "talismanic" figure whose departure would alter his valuation of the club.

Torres has told friends he is committed to remaining a Liverpool player but reserves the right to quit if they are incapable of meeting his ambitions.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41247.msg1147165#msg1147165 date=1280779842]
And how many mugs do we need to sell to pay a week of Gerrard's wages ?

Honestly I give up.
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You pick one item out of what could be a virtual Littlewoods / Grattan catalogue ? To give you an example, Starbucks sell their mugs here at US$10 - 15 a pop, multiply that one object by say a very conservative figure of 50,000 and then multiply that by say 500 different items (all made in China and at varying price points from $1 to $100), all of a sudden you've just managed US$250,000,000 in sales at up to 90% gross profit - per annum. Even being rather more conservative anyone can see the potential - all that's needed is for the right TV & marketing exposure - to start generating sales. The more exclusive the brand, the better it sells, at a higher price. Hence the attractive of the Liverpool name.

And let's not forget sponsorship. To say nothing of the prestige involved.

If the Chinese are in then you can bet your last dollar they have already identified how to make a fortune out of the club and they won't be afraid of investing to get themselves to that point.
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41247.msg1147170#msg1147170 date=1280780174]
Well, the popualtion of China is 1,338,612,968, Ross.

If only 2% of them spend $5 on a mug...
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More like 1.7 billion Whaddapie (my wife explained to me that when the census goes around the peasants they move their 6 children off to their relatives in another distant town (because of the one child policy), and then when the census takers move on, back come the children along with those of their relatives in that distant town/village doing the same thing. The census' are certainly on the low side. But none of those are target shoppers - the 500M middle class are though.
 
Liverpool FC auction draws global interest

Global interest in the auction of Liverpool Football Club intensified on Monday with prospective bidders emerging from Hong Kong and the Middle East.

Chinese sports entrepreneur Kenneth Huang has made an approach to Liverpool’s bankers Royal Bank of Scotland and US-based Wachovia seeking support for a deal, according to people close to the situation.

Mr Huang, chairman of Hong Kong-based QSL Sports, also has approached Martin Broughton, the Liverpool chairman, over a deal.

Separately, the Kuwait-based al-Kharafi family is also looking at deal and have also been in contact with Mr Broughton and Barclays Capital, the investment bank advising the club’s owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett on a sale, one person familiar with the matter said.

However, the club declined to comment on potential bidders.

Mr Huang is interested in buying the club direct or gaining control by buying the £234m of debt that Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett, both American businessmen, owe to RBS and Wachovia, one of the people close to the situation said.

Such an offer would be considerably below the £800m valuation Mr Hicks, an American business, has placed on the club at a press conference earlier this year.

However, spokesperson from RBS said that the bank was not in contact with any bidder regarding Liverpool.

RBS, which owns most of the £234m debt, has extended the owners’ credit facility until October. However, Mr Huang is keen to have a sale finalised before the August 31 player transfer deadline, a person familar with the matter said.

Originally from the southern Chinese province of Guangdong, Mr Huang owns a 15 per cent stake in Cleveland Cavaliers, the US basketball team, and has a stake in Northeast Tigers, its Chinese counterpart.

The Kuwait-based Al-Kharafi family, headed by the industrialist patriarch Nasser Al-Kharafi, is more familiar with the Liverpool saga. A former student in Liverpool, Mr Kharafi previously tried and failed to buy the club in 2008 and again last year. He owns Al-Kharafi & Sons, a diversified conglomerate.

Mr Gillett and Mr Hicks, who have repeatedly rowed over the management of Liverpool, have signed a legal document giving Mr Broughton a casting vote on all board issues, including the planned sale, according to people familar with the matter.

In its latest full year results released in May, the club’s pre-tax losses had ballooned from £40.9m to £54.9m. Its total net debt was £351m.

Additional reporting by Robin Wigglesworth in Abu Dhabi

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4af4c3ae-9e6f-11df-a5a4-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss
 
A reported approach by a Chinese businessman, Jian-hua ‘Kenny’ Huang, to buy Liverpool is shrouded in confusion as sources in China and America have told sportingintelligence that he does not have the money to buy the club, that he declined to sign a confidentiality clause requested of all interested parties, and that “it is simply not plausible†that he can effectively strike a deal with RBS bank in order to take control.

Some reports have claimed that Huang is a billionaire and that he owns a 15 per cent stake in the Cleveland Cavaliers NBA basketball franchise.

In fact he is not a billionaire, and has never owned any shares in the Cavaliers, and there are no plans for him to own any in the future.

One source in China says: “Kenny has no capability of buying Liverpool.â€

A different Chinese businessman, Albert Hung, made an offer to buy a stake in the Cavaliers more than a year ago, but even that deal hasn’t gone through.

“Kenny was never the main investor, nor in fact did he ever have any personal financial involvement in such a deal at all,†one source says.

Huang has a commercial connection with the Cavaliers as the middleman who introduced the Cavs to a beer company to do a sponsorship deal, but he has never owned any stake in any major sports franchise.

Huang owns a company in Hong Kong, QSL Sports Limited, which describes itself as a “sports investment company†but its simple website, which hasn’t been updated in several months, ceased working today, with users given the message: “The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit.â€

QSL Sports Limited’s main interests to date have been in promoting China’s second-tier semi-professional basketball league (the NBL), and in promoting a new Chinese youth league in baseball (CYBL); baseball is still a fledgling sport in the country.

Until May this year, QSL’s co-founder and primary financial backer was a bona fide billionaire businessman, Adrian Cheng, whose family have been ranked by Forbes as the 112th richest family in the world, worth $7.7bn.

But Cheng and Huang parted company two months ago and a QSL statement at the time said: “QSL co-founder Mr. Adrian Cheng will no longer be involved in QSL’s businesses and development and its related charitable foundations. QSL will now be 100 per cent owned by Mr. Kenny Huang.â€

Skeptical sources in China claim that Huang only came to prominence as a front man for an unnamed wealthy Hong Kong family within the past couple of years and that he no longer has that association.

Sources in London with an understanding of what Kenny Huang apparently hopes to achieve at Liverpool say he has offered to effectively buy Liverpool’s debt of £237m from RBS, cutting out any involvement in a formal bidding process being handled by Barclays Capital under the direction of Liverpool’s chairman Martin Broughton.

Yet even those close to Huang cannot explain how buying the debt from RBS would definitely hand him or his backers control of the club. One RBS source described as “absolute bollocks†the idea that RBS would unilaterally sell Liverpool’s debt to Huang or had been involved in advanced talks to do so.

The club’s American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, owe RBS £237m as a result of what was effectively their leveraged buyout, and the pair have also subsequently leant Liverpool another £144m via a Cayman Islands branch of their Liverpool investment vehicle, according to accounts for the financial year ending summer 2009.

It has been claimed that Huang has the backing of an unnamed Asian sovereign wealth fund, which if true could put billions at his disposal. The operative words are “if trueâ€.

If an Asian sovereign wealth fund wanted to buy Liverpool, why would it not go via conventional channels, namely BarCap and Broughton?

Why would it use Huang as a front man, when he has no previous history of sports deals on the scale of a Premier League football club?

Why would it let him effectively manage its funds?

These are all questions that may or may not be answered in the coming weeks.

Liverpool insiders at the highest level insist there are multiple interested parties involved in talks about buying the club and that a preferred bidder should emerge in due course, perhaps within a few weeks.

Due diligence on any bidder, and their ability to take to club forward, specifically in funding a new 60,000-plus seat stadium that could cost up to £400m “is of the utmost importance, now more than ever†one source said.

“There is formal process and BarCap runs it,†said another source. “You cannot simply go to RBS or Wachovia or Bank of America and try to do a unilateral deal because it won’t work and it won’t stack up.

“Mr Huang did not want to sign a confidentiality agreement and you have to ask why.â€

A source who knows Huang well said: “Kenny is good at making deals, as in facilitating deals for other peope. He would certainly be capable of bringing people together. But Kenny is also very, very good at promoting Kenny.â€
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41247.msg1147170#msg1147170 date=1280780174]
Well, the popualtion of China is 1,338,612,968, Ross.

If only 2% of them spend $5 on a mug...
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Which is 1/20th of their monthly wage. Not likely.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=41247.msg1147190#msg1147190 date=1280783373]
A reported approach by a Chinese businessman, Jian-hua ‘Kenny’ Huang, to buy Liverpool is shrouded in confusion as sources in China and America have told sportingintelligence that he does not have the money to buy the club, that he declined to sign a confidentiality clause requested of all interested parties, and that “it is simply not plausible†that he can effectively strike a deal with RBS bank in order to take control.

Some reports have claimed that Huang is a billionaire and that he owns a 15 per cent stake in the Cleveland Cavaliers NBA basketball franchise.

In fact he is not a billionaire, and has never owned any shares in the Cavaliers, and there are no plans for him to own any in the future.

One source in China says: “Kenny has no capability of buying Liverpool.â€

A different Chinese businessman, Albert Hung, made an offer to buy a stake in the Cavaliers more than a year ago, but even that deal hasn’t gone through.

“Kenny was never the main investor, nor in fact did he ever have any personal financial involvement in such a deal at all,†one source says.

Huang has a commercial connection with the Cavaliers as the middleman who introduced the Cavs to a beer company to do a sponsorship deal, but he has never owned any stake in any major sports franchise.

Huang owns a company in Hong Kong, QSL Sports Limited, which describes itself as a “sports investment company†but its simple website, which hasn’t been updated in several months, ceased working today, with users given the message: “The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit.â€

QSL Sports Limited’s main interests to date have been in promoting China’s second-tier semi-professional basketball league (the NBL), and in promoting a new Chinese youth league in baseball (CYBL); baseball is still a fledgling sport in the country.

Until May this year, QSL’s co-founder and primary financial backer was a bona fide billionaire businessman, Adrian Cheng, whose family have been ranked by Forbes as the 112th richest family in the world, worth $7.7bn.

But Cheng and Huang parted company two months ago and a QSL statement at the time said: “QSL co-founder Mr. Adrian Cheng will no longer be involved in QSL’s businesses and development and its related charitable foundations. QSL will now be 100 per cent owned by Mr. Kenny Huang.â€

Skeptical sources in China claim that Huang only came to prominence as a front man for an unnamed wealthy Hong Kong family within the past couple of years and that he no longer has that association.

Sources in London with an understanding of what Kenny Huang apparently hopes to achieve at Liverpool say he has offered to effectively buy Liverpool’s debt of £237m from RBS, cutting out any involvement in a formal bidding process being handled by Barclays Capital under the direction of Liverpool’s chairman Martin Broughton.

Yet even those close to Huang cannot explain how buying the debt from RBS would definitely hand him or his backers control of the club. One RBS source described as “absolute bollocks†the idea that RBS would unilaterally sell Liverpool’s debt to Huang or had been involved in advanced talks to do so.

The club’s American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, owe RBS £237m as a result of what was effectively their leveraged buyout, and the pair have also subsequently leant Liverpool another £144m via a Cayman Islands branch of their Liverpool investment vehicle, according to accounts for the financial year ending summer 2009.

It has been claimed that Huang has the backing of an unnamed Asian sovereign wealth fund, which if true could put billions at his disposal. The operative words are “if trueâ€.

If an Asian sovereign wealth fund wanted to buy Liverpool, why would it not go via conventional channels, namely BarCap and Broughton?

Why would it use Huang as a front man, when he has no previous history of sports deals on the scale of a Premier League football club?

Why would it let him effectively manage its funds?

These are all questions that may or may not be answered in the coming weeks.

Liverpool insiders at the highest level insist there are multiple interested parties involved in talks about buying the club and that a preferred bidder should emerge in due course, perhaps within a few weeks.

Due diligence on any bidder, and their ability to take to club forward, specifically in funding a new 60,000-plus seat stadium that could cost up to £400m “is of the utmost importance, now more than ever†one source said.

“There is formal process and BarCap runs it,†said another source. “You cannot simply go to RBS or Wachovia or Bank of America and try to do a unilateral deal because it won’t work and it won’t stack up.

“Mr Huang did not want to sign a confidentiality agreement and you have to ask why.â€

A source who knows Huang well said: “Kenny is good at making deals, as in facilitating deals for other people. He would certainly be capable of bringing people together. But Kenny is also very, very good at promoting Kenny.â€
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And this is exactly why it shouldn't be rushed, regardless of the transfer window or not. Any potential owner needs to checked out thoroughly Portsmouth fell for the same trick.
 
I seem to remember Broughton stating that the people and groups splashed all over the media tend not to be serious bidders.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=41247.msg1147190#msg1147190 date=1280783373]


One RBS source described as “absolute bollocks†the idea that RBS would unilaterally sell Liverpool’s debt to Huang or had been involved in advanced talks to do so.


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Ha. I like your style RBS source person.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41247.msg1147195#msg1147195 date=1280784085]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=41247.msg1147190#msg1147190 date=1280783373]


One RBS source described as “absolute bollocks†the idea that RBS would unilaterally sell Liverpool’s debt to Huang or had been involved in advanced talks to do so.


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Ha. I like your style RBS source person.
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Yes, I thought the same.
 
If these reports rubbishing the chinese lad and his plans are accurate then what does this do to Tony Barrett's credibility?
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41247.msg1147200#msg1147200 date=1280784268]
If these reports rubbishing the chinese lad and his plans are accurate then what does this do to Tony Barrett's credibility?
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It could also be the H&G propaganda team in full action, they could potentially come out with buttons from the deal.
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41247.msg1147200#msg1147200 date=1280784268]
If these reports rubbishing the chinese lad and his plans are accurate then what does this do to Tony Barrett's credibility?
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The article seems to bang on about him buying the club but I was under the impression he was simply acting as the frontman. I'm not getting my hopes up either way.
 
That article is more along the lines of what we've come to expect in the last year or so when it comes to our club. More doom and gloom!

The website is a bit of a joke and there isn't a whole lot of information about the guy or his backers to be found, so going to stay very much on the fence here.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41247.msg1147192#msg1147192 date=1280783841]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41247.msg1147170#msg1147170 date=1280780174]
Well, the popualtion of China is 1,338,612,968, Ross.

If only 2% of them spend $5 on a mug...
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Which is 1/20th of their monthly wage. Not likely.
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Fair point.

And although I was only taking the piss outta Ross initially, I'll wager that the top 2% of earners amoung that 1.7 billion actually COULD afford a Liverpool mug, mate.
 
Yeh I guess. It's easy to get excited about all this speculation and start speculating ourselves about what impact it may or may not have on us as a club. Like others, I'm not getting excited although I do think (and desperately hope) the two cunts days are numbered. We've suffered 3 years where 95% of what we've been fed is utter bullshit so, for the moment, I'm assuming this is more of the same. I do think there's more than one party interested here though. Ridiculous valuation of the club aside, we're surely still an attractive prospect if that hurdle can be overcome. We've a loyal fanbase which is demonstrated by our season ticket and shirt sales and it's global. There's money to be made out of that plus a hell a lot of prestige associated with the name. That prestige wont last forever though.
 
Liverpool supremo to open formal talks with Huang
Published 23:00 02/08/10 By David Maddock



Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton will open formal talks with Chinese businessman Kenny Huang later this week over a proposed buyout of the club.

The Hong Kong based head of investment company QSL Sports Ltd is acting as the front man for a consortium of wealthy investors from China, who are interested in buying the England football club.

Huang had initially approached Liverpool's bankers RBS with a plan to buy the £230million debt that current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have placed on the club.

But his long term plan is to force the Americans to accept a reasonable, market-based price for Liverpool, which he believes is significantly below the £600million Hicks has persistently claimed the club is worth.


It is understood that Huang went to RBS in an attempt to gain their support for his offer to the Americans, which will come in at around £320million when he talks to Broughton in depth later this week.

If the RBS threaten to sell the debt to the Chinese consortium, it would force Hicks and Gillett to listen to offers at a more reasonable level, or risk losing control of their investment.

Huang's move essentially amounts to what are the first shots in what could be a very public attempt battle to gain control of Liverpool.

Sources close to the businessman suggest that he is ready to invest heavily both in the team in terms of new players, and in building a new stadium, but only if the price of the purchase is right.

Already, the Americans have responded with private briefings that have suggested if the RBS does sell the debt, then they will try to refinance with another bank, after getting a similar agreement with Barclays only two months ago.

That would immediately scupper Huang's plans, but what is now more likely is that Broughton and Barclays Capital, who have been appointed to find a buyer for Liverpool, will now listen to any offers they have for the Premier League outfit.

Hicks and Gillett claim to have "six" offers on the table, but that seems to be mere posturing. The Mirror understands that there is only one other serious suitor, who has the credibility of Huang's group.

Broughton has indicated that he will listen to all offers within the next 10 days, and then elect a "preferred bidder" by the end of next week.

In layman's terms, that means Huang will set aside his attempt to buy the debt from RBS, and instead enter negotiations with his best offer due before the end of next week.

Broughton will then decide which offer - if there are any others - represents the best long term solution for the club, and recommend that the board accept the bid.

The chairman, who is also chairman of British Airways, indicated two weeks ago that he now has the power to overrule the club's American owners and sell Liverpool to the bidder he believes will offer the best future financial health.

While Huang is serious bidder, his offer is well below the Americans' asking price, and the reality of the situation is that he is only likely succeed in his attempt if there are not other credible bidders for the club.

While he remains confident that is the case, and while it is clear there are not the six bidders Hicks has suggested, there does seem to be one rival consortium weighing up a serious bid.

A Syrian businessman Yahya Kirdi has also been connected with an offer for Liverpool, but sources close to the process have told the Mirror that he is not considered a viable alternative.



Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-chairman-Martin-Broughton-will-open-formal-talks-with-Chinese-businessman-Kenny-Huang-over-his-takeover-bid-article543903.html#ixzz0vUOnwFRD
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[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41247.msg1147200#msg1147200 date=1280784268]
If these reports rubbishing the chinese lad and his plans are accurate then what does this do to Tony Barrett's credibility?
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Tony Barrett is a good red, he just passes on what he's heard, especially if he thinks it will get the Yanks out.
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41247.msg1147213#msg1147213 date=1280787194]
Liverpool supremo to open formal talks with Huang
Published 23:00 02/08/10 By David Maddock



Already, the Americans have responded with private briefings that have suggested if the RBS does sell the debt, then they will try to refinance with another bank, after getting a similar agreement with Barclays only two months ago.



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This part is very confusing...

I thought that those two cnuts were practically powerless at this stage. Isn't MB here to simply sell the club at his own discretion?

How could they just go to another bank? WTF is going on?
 
Apparently one of the 6 bids arrived via an email letter from a Nigel Soladu from Nigeria.

The club just need to provide the bank account details and he will wire the money straight over.
 
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41247.msg1147261#msg1147261 date=1280809448]
Apparently one of the 6 bids arrived via an email letter from a Nigel Soladu from Nigeria.

The club just need to provide the bank account details and he will wire the money straight over.
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Hey!

You missed out the very modest 10,000 pound agent processing fee i had required them to transfer to my wester union bank account.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41247.msg1147177#msg1147177 date=1280780778]
I find it quite amusing that some people are treating Ross as some kind of authority on this

Tee hee
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Indeed, especially as earlier in the piece he says he "got the figures wrong" about simple profit and loss.

Truth is we are fed speculation by journalists and should know better than to give it any credence. Bidders bids will be confidential for obvious reasons.

Wait for an announcement, at least then we can review information from 'experts' and hopefully glory in a new beginning.
 
Tony Barrett in today's Times.

"Crucially, as Broughton revealed at the press conference to present Roy Hodgson... Hicks and Gillett cannot stop the club from being sold against their will if the sale is approved by the board. In effect, the duo can be outvote by Broughton, Purslow and Ian Ayre... with the tail having been given permission to wag the dog by Liverpool's creditors as a result of the club's inability to pay thir outstanding £237m debt by the kind of levels demanded by RBS."
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41247.msg1147271#msg1147271 date=1280817080]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41247.msg1147177#msg1147177 date=1280780778]
I find it quite amusing that some people are treating Ross as some kind of authority on this

Tee hee
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Indeed, especially as earlier in the piece he says he "got the figures wrong" about simple profit and loss.

Truth is we are fed speculation by journalists and should know better than to give it any credence. Bidders bids will be confidential for obvious reasons.

Wait for an announcement, at least then we can review information from 'experts' and hopefully glory in a new beginning.
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Yes the difference between the 11m I quoted off the top of my head and the 13m that I found in the accounts absolutely destroys whatever little credibility I had.

As most people remember I called it all correctly last time.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41247.msg1147275#msg1147275 date=1280818473]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41247.msg1147271#msg1147271 date=1280817080]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41247.msg1147177#msg1147177 date=1280780778]
I find it quite amusing that some people are treating Ross as some kind of authority on this

Tee hee
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Indeed, especially as earlier in the piece he says he "got the figures wrong" about simple profit and loss.

Truth is we are fed speculation by journalists and should know better than to give it any credence. Bidders bids will be confidential for obvious reasons.

Wait for an announcement, at least then we can review information from 'experts' and hopefully glory in a new beginning.
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Yes the difference between the 11m I quoted off the top of my head and the 13m that I found in the accounts absolutely destroys whatever little credibility I had.

As most people remember I called it all correctly last time.
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Just accept it Ross. Random fans OBVIOUSLY know what they're talking about, rather than someone who takes an intetest in the club accounts
 
All this mess shows that Moores transfer of the club was just a beginning of the end.

We really are about to sell the small piece of integrity we has as a football club to the highest bidder. We might end up as the playtoy of chines businessmen whose only aim is to screw the poor asians for even more mone through gambling, cause the chinese i.e. arent passionate football fans they are passinate gamblers.

From what I read on ths forum people are screaming out for the deal to be concluded shortly so that we can splash enourmous amount of cash on any mediocre player with a name who is available for such high salaries that we wont be rid them until their contract is up anyway.

To me it seems like people here want to loose control and want to be assholes. Some people crave to be Manchester City. What the hell is the world comming to.

I want G and H out yes. I hope the rotten in in their own depth after they leave as a final warning for greedy yanks to saty away from PL. However I dont want us to loose all that this club is built on. I accept the fact that we are in a catch 22, but somehow I am desperate to trust that Broughton has the dignity to stay calm and not jump at the bidders orders and rather do the job properly.
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=41247.msg1147277#msg1147277 date=1280818975]
All this mess shows that Moores transfer of the club was just a beginning of the end.

We really are about to sell the small piece of integrity we has as a football club to the highest bidder. We might end up as the playtoy of chines businessmen whose only aim is to screw the poor asians for even more mone through gambling, cause the chinese i.e. arent passionate football fans they are passinate gamblers.

From what I read on ths forum people are screaming out for the deal to be concluded shortly so that we can splash enourmous amount of cash on any mediocre player with a name who is available for such high salaries that we wont be rid them until their contract is up anyway.

To me it seems like people here want to loose control and want to be assholes. Some people crave to be Manchester City. What the hell is the world comming to.

I want G and H out yes. I hope the rotten in in their own depth after they leave as a final warning for greedy yanks to saty away from PL. However I dont want us to loose all that this club is built on. I accept the fact that we are in a catch 22, but somehow I am desperate to trust that Broughton has the dignity to stay calm and not jump at the bidders orders and rather do the job properly.
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I would say the majority of reds just want the debt cleared so we don't go under, anything above and beyond that is a bonus.
 
I'm sure that while we want G&H out at all costs, it should not be to the detriment of the clubs long-term future. Broughton has clearly stated that he'll choose the bidder (not necessarily the highest) who will guarantee the clubs existence and has the best interest of the club at heart.

We are excited because there seems to be movement but I don't think for a minute that we're getting ahead of ourselves. Nobody here is painting Kenny Huang as the Messaih but its equally exciting that the potential exists that G&H could be out manouvred and walk away empty handed. We would all love that and see it as justice served!
 
I'd love one or two massive (incoming) transfer deals to be done under the auspices of new, wealthy owners/ investors

It would be dead exciting
 
The more you read about this proposed takeover, the more confused you get. Can the Americans block every approach, are RBS in a position to force a sale through. Who's on the board, will they vote after going through the bids.

I know Broughton has a vote, as he was brought in to ubalance the power struggle between H and G.

But it's just to much speculation and talk. I hope for the love of God that we are sold in a few weeks, but I'm not holding my breath. The two cuntos will do everything to hold on even if it means running this club into the ground.

I just hope RBS, Broughton, Ayre and Purslow do the right thing. Get those yank fucks out, and agree a sale to a owner that is worthy a club like ours.

I think I'll do like Sunny, and just zone all this out. What happens happens. Hopefully something positive.
 
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