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Shrewsbury (A) - FA CUP - post game

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Not going to bother reading the posts prior to mine because i am sure there are plenty of idiots ready to jump off the ledge and crucifying Lovren, Origi, and probably Klopp, but while it's disappointing not to come out with a win, i am totally fine with a replay. It gives the kids another 90 minutes to play in a meaningful game where otherwise they'd be in a meaningless U23 game, and Shrewsbury get some money out of it. Win-win.

Klopp has mentioned he'll send the kids, but if there are players in need of game time as they are returning from injury (such as Shaq) i think he may go ahead and send them to play. If not, and he chooses to go with bunch of kids again, i have no issue with that.
 
Anyone suggesting we sell Origi is getting kerb stomped in front of his statue when they get round to putting it up.
 
In fairness to Klopp, when the Premier League introduced the winter break, they wrote to all clubs asking them to respect it and refrain form organising friendly matches or rearranging competitive matches during that time. So its mad that the FA can just go & schedule replays in the middle of it.

Klopp is just adhering to the Premier League directive; this is not just a reaction to the draw, he has complained about FA cup replays for some time.

It looks like it is being treated as a holiday for the players, as opposed to a training camp.
 
In fairness to Klopp, when the Premier League introduced the winter break, they wrote to all clubs asking them to respect it and refrain form organising friendly matches or rearranging competitive matches during that time. So its mad that the FA can just go & schedule replays in the middle of it.

Klopp is just adhering to the Premier League directive; this is not just a reaction to the draw, he has complained about FA cup replays for some time.

It looks like it is being treated as a holiday for the players, as opposed to a training camp.
Yeah the more I think about it the more I understand his stance.
It's sad that we're sacrificing he FA cup this season, like we did with the League cup but if this means changes in the future for the benefit of players, then so be it.
 
Yeah the more I think about it the more I understand his stance.
It's sad that we're sacrificing he FA cup this season, like we did with the League cup but if this means changes in the future for the benefit of players, then so be it.
I'm sorry Replays are needed.. particularly for the lower League clubs..

Klopp is right in one instance but wrong on another

The premier League has sucked the money out of the game at the lower levels, this really is the last chance for a big pay day for those smaller clubs..

If PL clubs are wanting to do away with replays, they should give more money to the lower League clubs
 
I don't see the harm in keeping the winter break for the First XI players but playing similar team to yesterday with maybe the odd tweak like Keita/Milner etc. depending on injuries. These are all players who absolutely need game time and not a break.
 
We drew a game we should probably been able to win, but when we drop down 10-15% these things will happen. Good run out for Fab and the CD's. Minamino still getting some comeptitive game time. In addition the youngsters learning their way. We can't just say that since the young guys impressed against everton that is their new standard, just as much as since some guys played poorly in this game that is our new standard. We are not a club in decline over this results as it can look by comments here.
 
Urgghhhhh, this was horrible, but no matter, we shall do our duty anyway: IT'S THE RAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTIIIIIIINGS!

A replay was the most we deserved, even if nobody wanted one (well, apart from Shrowersbury, who deserved it). Not at all sure about Klopp's hissy fit and not being on the touchline for the replay at Anfield, but he can do what he wants I suppose, even if it is a bit weird.

Not sure what happened really, we didn't ever look like a side that was 2-0 up, and nearly lost it at the end, but it wasn't really a case of being able to point the finger at the young, inexperience players, as almost everyone was dreadful, even the senior stars who came into the team. In fact, only Adrian comes out of this with any credit really, Neco was good and maybe Jones for the goal. That's about it, though.

Adrian (7) Will be amazed at just how busy he was, and was pretty impressive with his decision-making when coming out. Beaten from the spot and at the near post, but made one or two outstanding saves. MOTM, which says it all.

Williams (7) Worked hard to produce a decent simulacrum of a TAA performance: plenty of attacking impetus, some good use of the ball and constantly overlapping and trying to create opportunities. Did his job defensively too.

Matip (3) One of those languid, sloppy displays that we haven't seen too much of pre-injury. Positionally poor, he was a step behind the defensive line, and in possession he was a car-crash, spraying the ball around with all the accuracy of an incontinent tramp in a Portaloo. Lost challenges in the air and was a liability until he was subbed. Nowhere near ready on this evidence.

Lovren (4) He doesn't do composure does he? When things aren't going well, Lovren quickly reverts to his drunk horse routine, galloping around the pitch trying to be assertive and aggressive, but only making things worse. Produced some decent interceptions, but overall simply added to the sense of panic and chaos.

Larouci (5) Physical gifts like power and pace aren't enough, as he simply has no quality on the ball at all. Gave away a penalty and doesn't look like he's very good at football.

Fabinho (4) Carried on where he left off in his cameo against Wolves: passing the ball like he was wearing clown shoes and doing nothing constructive at all. Dreadful.

Chirivella (5) Oh dear, I think we have another classic "neat and tidy" player. You know the type, when it's going well can pass the ball around accurately, but as soon as it gets on top, simply shrinks into himself. When they realised how rubbish we were playing and decided to get at us, Chirivella had no answers.

Jones (7) I think this might be generous, but extra point for the goal is the rules. Started well and looked confident, he was always looking to make things happen and scored a fine goal. Much tougher after the break, as he got less of the ball in good positions.

Elliot (4) Doesn't like it when things aren't going his way. Ran into trouble time and again, and simply couldn't find the time or space to work in. Faded badly.

Minamino (4) Carried on where he left off against Wolves: running into blind alleys, working hard off the ball, but having precisely zero impact on the game. Ballooned one shot over and disappeared entirely after half-time. Poor start to his Liverpool career.

Origi (4) Looked shorn of confidence and didn't seem to know what he was doing half the time, with some laughably slack play. Perked up a bit when the equally hapless Minamino vacated the central position, and came to life a bit with one superb strike that was well saved. But that was about all we got.
 
I’m surprised Lovren got a positive mark and the description wasn’t the gif of a horse falling over a ball.

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lovren was worse than matip. a 2 would have been more accurate, same with fab

klopp coming out with those comments straight after the game was foolish

They players may well deserve a rest but klopp not being there is a poor decision.
 
Some here feel that It has to do with a lack of game time, or shortness of confidence why Origi has been so poor..

This is not a player who is trying to play certain way and it is not coming off, or is holding on to the ball too long where before he would have snapped of a shot, no, what I am seeing here is a player that certain elements of his game as either been suppressed or has disappeared completely and sorry this cannot be put down to lack of confidence or match fitness

Origi use to drive at defenders and take them on, lack of fitness does not stop that, nor does a lack of confidence
 
Some here feel that It has to do with a lack of game time, or shortness of confidence why Origi has been so poor..

This is not a player who is trying to play certain way and it is not coming off, or is holding on to the ball too long where before he would have snapped of a shot, no, what I am seeing here is a player that certain elements of his game as either been suppressed or has disappeared completely and sorry this cannot be put down to lack of confidence or match fitness

Origi use to drive at defenders and take them on, lack of fitness does not stop that, nor does a lack of confidence

Origi has done exactly that in recent memory. Everton was 6 weeks ago, not ancient history.

I don't think Origi has stopped "Driving at defenders" or suddenly become shit, nor do I think he's even got a "lack of confidence." But.. what on earth are you talking about? Surely a lack of confidence ABSOLUTELY would stop you aggressively taking players on?
 
We played a lower league side that we should have buried after it went 2-0 but we became complaisant and let them back in it and our senior pros had a shocker. But fuck it. We have bigger fish to fry, our U23s will go into that replay with a 50/50 chance of winning. As for the furore over us taking a winter break, it's the same twats moaning as were already moaning about us anyway. Fuck them.
 
Sorry to be all “I told you so” but had Gomez started instead of Lovren, we would probably win that game 2:1 and not have to worry about replay. Now we’re going to have all kids and no Klopp at Anfield and this one decision could well cost a chance to win another trophy.
 
Sorry to be all “I told you so” but had Gomez started instead of Lovren, we would probably win that game 2:1 and not have to worry about replay. Now we’re going to have all kids and no Klopp at Anfield and this one decision could well cost a chance to win another trophy.

I think what you saw from lovren, and to a lesser extent matip is exactly why people didn't want Gomez risked.
 
I think what you saw from lovren, and to a lesser extent matip is exactly why people didn't want Gomez risked.

How times change. A few months ago and Gomez was struggling and Matip was first-choice and some posters felt that was the way things were going to be and Matip was now comfortably the senior partner to Virgil.
 
How times change. A few months ago and Gomez was struggling and Matip was first-choice and some posters felt that was the way things were going to be and Matip was now comfortably the senior partner to Virgil.

I think matip is a good defender and if he is third choice, he's a great choice to have, but Trent and Virgil prefer Gomez for a reason, and that's pace. Helps when you are playing a high line, and matip will never have that.

Lovren is ok as a 4th choice cb, and when he's on his day, he's fantastic, but since he doesn't want to be a 4th choice, has some value, and I'm getting tired of seeing the same mistakes, he can fuck off.​
 
How times change. A few months ago and Gomez was struggling and Matip was first-choice and some posters felt that was the way things were going to be and Matip was now comfortably the senior partner to Virgil.
After one fucking game, one...one...ONE!!!!
 
After one fucking game, one...one...ONE!!!!

I know, Modo, relax. I was just using it to make an exaggerated point.

But it's not that different from earlier in the season - and the end of last season - where Gomez was being almost treated like an after-thought, as if everyone had quickly forgotten how great he was with Van Dijk before his injury allowed Matip back in.

And while I never wanted the "man in possession" to be discarded when playing well - and Matip was playing very well - I think there were a few times when my mask slipped and, if I was being honest, my ideal partnership with everyone at their best would be Van Dijk/ Gomez because of his speed.

And that's the case now, Gomez is the man in possession
 
I know, Modo, relax. I was just using it to make an exaggerated point.

But it's not that different from earlier in the season - and the end of last season - where Gomez was being almost treated like an after-thought, as if everyone had quickly forgotten how great he was with Van Dijk before his injury allowed Matip back in.

And while I never wanted the "man in possession" to be discarded when playing well - and Matip was playing very well - I think there were a few times when my masked slipped and, if I was being honest, my ideal partnership with everyone at their best would be Van Dijk/ Gomez because of his speed.

And that's the case now, Gomez is the man in possession
Was just doing a Guardiola...
Anyway I agree Gomez Van Dijk is the best pairing.
 
Look, this is not about Gomez being a better defender than Matip/Lovren in general - maybe he is, but Klopp didn’t think so when all 3 were fit. The issue is that neither Lovren nor Matip were match fit on the day, it was their first game after a long-term injury and I thought it was too much of a risk to pair them together (with 2 inexperienced full-backs alongside them, and an equally rusty Fabinho in front), even against “it’s only Sherwsbury.” Gomez could have played another game and if he did we would not be having this conversation.
 
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We fucked up the game(cheers Dejan)

Klopp has his eye on the Prem and after all this time waiting who can blame him?
We get the Prem monkey off our back then we can start playing the Cups seriously next year or just say bollocks and go for the back to back Titles.
 
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