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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46919.msg1401644#msg1401644 date=1316412460]
We tried to sign Phil Jones, Ashley Young, Juan Mata & looked into going after Sergio Aguero. Where did each player land? So each player went to teams that could offer something we couldn't.


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TBF, that doesn't mean we should have just spent the rest for the sake of it. I don't think we bought particularly badly in all honesty, but why we bought Henderson (good player or not) is a mystery. As Vlad said, we should have kept either Aquilani or Meireles. While the Henderson money would have been better spent on a more direct attacking player. As for the rest, I like Downing and Enrique, while Adam is a good player, the problem is getting the combination right in the side and this is, let's not forget, a new team that will take time to gel. Look at City in comparison to last season. Dalglish fucking around with formations and positions isn't helping though, I thought he'd have seen enough of that shit over the last decade.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46919.msg1401677#msg1401677 date=1316420426]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46919.msg1401644#msg1401644 date=1316412460]
We tried to sign Phil Jones, Ashley Young, Juan Mata & looked into going after Sergio Aguero. Where did each player land? So each player went to teams that could offer something we couldn't.


[/quote]

TBF, that doesn't mean we should have just spent the rest for the sake of it. I don't think we bought particularly badly in all honesty, but why we bought Henderson (good player or not) is a mystery. As Vlad said, we should have kept either Aquilani or Meireles. While the Henderson money would have been better spent on a more direct attacking player. As for the rest, I like Downing and Enrique, while Adam is a good player, the problem is getting the combination right in the side and this is, let's not forget, a new team that will take time to gel. Look at City in comparison to last season. Dalglish fucking around with formations and positions isn't helping though, I thought he'd have seen enough of that shit over the last decade.
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I agree with that.

Oddly enough, Ryan actually gave me 'hope' in Henderson ... I wonder if he's concerned now too.
 
In the longterm it might prove a shrewd investment. We needed a leg up this season though and given the resources available it's the signing that leaves me a bit baffled. He doesn't look particularly ready for the first team, not yet, it's difficult to determine his best position - if he's in the middle he's a bit of a passenger and if he's wide he's not quick enough and certainly not the kind of wide man we needed or craved.

It's a shame because that one signing could have made a big difference and might have more or less given us a platform to build upon. Now we're still looking at needing a direct wide player and probably a DM.

It takes time to build though. I'm sure in the longterm we're getting there, but we need to qualify for the CL and if the Henderson signing is what stops us getting there it'll be pretty criminal.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401732#msg1401732 date=1316425207]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
[/quote]

Has anyone? He's taken his game to the next level.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46919.msg1401736#msg1401736 date=1316425346]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401732#msg1401732 date=1316425207]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
[/quote]

Has anyone? He's taken his game to the next level.
[/quote]

Ryan must have seen something in him that no one else did.

A sight beyond sight, if you will.

We should call him Lion-O' Hare.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46919.msg1401736#msg1401736 date=1316425346]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401732#msg1401732 date=1316425207]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
[/quote]

Has anyone? He's taken his game to the next level.
[/quote]

which is why i'm more fucked off at people banging on about young. He wasn't that good for villa so immediately he'll become more consistent and amazing if he came to us?

No dice

He would have stayed the same because, in actualy fact, we're not as good as UTD for getting people to play to their ability
 
Back to Ming, he was crucial in our revival last season. He was integral to everything that happened.

When he couldn't play against Spurs at the end of the season, as soon as I saw the team I revised my expectations of the game south. And we were crap - because he was the main cog. Don't forget that in the 6 games he didn't play last season, we only won 1 of them.

This close season was all about building, but it seems we removed a vital element of the pass and move game and I fear it's really screwed us up.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46919.msg1401742#msg1401742 date=1316425710]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46919.msg1401736#msg1401736 date=1316425346]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401732#msg1401732 date=1316425207]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
[/quote]

Has anyone? He's taken his game to the next level.
[/quote]

which is why i'm more fucked off at people banging on about young. He wasn't that good for villa so immediately he'll become more consistent and amazing if he came to us?

No dice

He would have stayed the same because, in actualy fact, we're not as good as UTD for getting people to play to their ability
[/quote]I think you'll find ive advocated signing Young every summer since he was at Watford. And im not the only one.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46919.msg1401750#msg1401750 date=1316426133]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46919.msg1401742#msg1401742 date=1316425710]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46919.msg1401736#msg1401736 date=1316425346]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401732#msg1401732 date=1316425207]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
[/quote]

Has anyone? He's taken his game to the next level.
[/quote]

which is why i'm more fucked off at people banging on about young. He wasn't that good for villa so immediately he'll become more consistent and amazing if he came to us?

No dice

He would have stayed the same because, in actualy fact, we're not as good as UTD for getting people to play to their ability
[/quote]I think you'll find ive advocated signing Young every summer since he was at Watford. And im not the only one.
[/quote]

Indeed.

One of strangest positions taken on SCM in recent history "I said he was shit, and he is shit, even though some of you lot said he wasnt, he is. Just because he's playing well now doesnt mean I was wrong, it means he is shit but the club he's playing for are covering it up well. Ergo, Im still right".

The lad's a good player. On the evidence of his current form, the people who were saying he was good and maybe worth signing are right. The ones who were saying he was shit are wrong. End.
 
That's not what I'm saying. It's fucking obvious I was wrong. I'm not such a fucking nob that I can't accept that, I'm simply giving you my reasons. But if this is a point scoring game then have one, shove it up your cock or whatever it is you do with such things.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401763#msg1401763 date=1316427524]
That's not what I'm saying. It's fucking obvious I was wrong. I'm not such a fucking nob that I can't accept that, I'm simply giving you my reasons. But if this is a point scoring game then have one, shove it up your cock or whatever it is you do with such things.
[/quote]I dont think he meant you mardy hangover ass.
 
We appeared very keen to move Meireles on during the summer. It was as if as long as we get Adam, he'll be off. Had similar feelings to the Barry-Alonso scenario. I don't get it though. The way he performed last season, esp after Kenny took over, doesn't deserve such harsh treatment. Can't help to think its financial reasons instead of footballing ones.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401732#msg1401732 date=1316425207]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
[/quote]

Young was in the England squad before joining them. He's joined them and is now taking the piss cos he's a quality player. You should watch a bit more football.

And like you, I'm fine with those players too. I've grown accustomed to 5th place now, it'd be a shame to finish anywhere else.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401778#msg1401778 date=1316428942]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401732#msg1401732 date=1316425207]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401615#msg1401615 date=1316391921]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46919.msg1401449#msg1401449 date=1316376790]
I just want it on record. It was the worst decision since Dogleash came back. It was a terrible mistake and it could be crucial.

Now I'm drunk and just home after a return trip to Spurs, but this isn't because of that. I've been going on about it since it happened and I still can't figure it out.

Henderson is fucking shit. Adam is average. Lucas is Lucas. Ming is boss.

Massive fucking fail.
[/quote]

Pffft, you said Ashley Young was "fucking shit" all summer.

His biggest mistake wasn't selling Meireles, it was spending 100M on average footballers.
[/quote]

I've never seen Young playing anywhere near the level he's at now he's at United. He never had a good game against us and he frustrated most Villa fans.

As for the second point, I don't have a problem with Adam and Enrique and Downing, I think they're all good enough - but Ming was really good and him leaving makes us worse.
[/quote]

Young was in the England squad before joining them. He's joined them and is now taking the piss cos he's a quality player. You should watch a bit more football.

And like you, I'm fine with those players too. I've grown accustomed to 5th place now, it'd be a shame to finish anywhere else.
[/quote]

I don't think it's harsh to say that he flattered to deceive alot at Villa, if he's gonna flourish anywhere it's up there. He is a good player, I don't think anyone would say otherwise so there's no need to be cuntish about it, especially when Krump has pretty much held his hands up and said he never expected him to do so well, not many people would have predicted the form he's in and if they say they did because they "watch a bit of football", they're talking through their crack.
 
Mark, were you one of the "we got the better player in Downing" halfwits from about 2 months back?

This place was littered with that balls.
 
Ryan, go and have a wank about Young, get it out your system, or at least start a thread about him.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401783#msg1401783 date=1316429402]
Mark, were you one of the "we got the better player in Downing" halfwits from about 2 months back?

This place was littered with that balls.
[/quote]

I don't remember, I don't think there was alot to choose at the time, Downing got their player of the year, though I'd said that Young was more like the player we needed. If we'd have got both it would have been grand. Like I said I rate Young highly, his form for United though is alot more consistent and he's upped a gear, playing with better players though obv, but then I'd wager Downing would be playing alot better for them than he is for us.
 
Look, I don't think Downing's that bad. In fact, he's decent enough. But, he's not the world class we need(ed). None of them are.
 
The reason that Young is playing so well is he's being fed. He'd have done as much as Downing managed yesterday for us. Our midfield wasn't good enough anyways, but once Adam was gone that was that. It all comes back to Ming being sold.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46919.msg1401793#msg1401793 date=1316429999]
Look, I don't think Downing's that bad. In fact, he's decent enough. But, he's not the world class we need(ed). None of them are.
[/quote]

My post at the top of the page to LTW more or less agrees with your point. Although I don't think we were ever going to get Young, I don't think we should have just spent for the sake of it. The one I have a problem with most is Henderson, however good he might turn out, we could have bought a more direct alternative that would have benefited us NOW. He doesn't look ready and right now is looking a commodity we can't really afford. If we'd kept Ming it would have been alot different though.
 
He's doing better because he's a better player for one.

But anyway, this is boring now.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46919.msg1401818#msg1401818 date=1316432000]
They got the Barnes, we got the Blissett.
[/quote]

Barnes didn't want to come to us ...
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46919.msg1401820#msg1401820 date=1316432505]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46919.msg1401818#msg1401818 date=1316432000]
They got the Barnes, we got the Blissett.
[/quote]

Barnes didn't want to come to us ...
[/quote]

So we bought Blissett for 20m.
 
I couldn't give a toss if people wanted young. The only time we could have got him would have been last jan, when it was strongly touted. When UTD showed an interest it was game over

And i stand by my stance he was ridiculously inconsistent for villa. Fergie was always going to be the man to get the best out of him. Like he does for so many of his players and has done for so many years.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46919.msg1401481#msg1401481 date=1316379027]
my opinion of aqua and ming were they are good players but you can't trust them in the middle of the park and they lose their effectiveness when utilised in a wide position.

[/quote]

So in what way are they good then?
You talk a lot of nonsense mate.
 
[quote author=PaulGorst link=topic=46919.msg1402022#msg1402022 date=1316458816]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46919.msg1401481#msg1401481 date=1316379027]
my opinion of aqua and ming were they are good players but you can't trust them in the middle of the park and they lose their effectiveness when utilised in a wide position.

[/quote]

So in what way are they good then?
You talk a lot of nonsense mate.
[/quote]

i like you paul
 
[quote author=PaulGorst link=topic=46919.msg1402022#msg1402022 date=1316458816]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46919.msg1401481#msg1401481 date=1316379027]
my opinion of aqua and ming were they are good players but you can't trust them in the middle of the park and they lose their effectiveness when utilised in a wide position.

[/quote]

So in what way are they good then?
You talk a lot of nonsense mate.
[/quote]

What he's trying to say Paul, is that they don't have the right physique to play in central midfield because you need to be big and athletic which is what they are but that's hardly relevant because it doesn't really matter what kind of physique you have. The main point is that they won't help you to win possession away from home because they tend to keep the ball and not give it away which really prevents them from winning it back.
 
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