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SAS by the numbers (FAO Rosco)

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Dreambeliever

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So one of the things that became synonymous with our free scoring this season was Rosco, quickly pointing out that Suarez only scores when we were already a few goals up and it didn't matter, or he only scored against weaker opposition.
Ross also went as far as to say Suarez wasn't Liverpool's player of the year nevermind the leagues player of the year, instead stating that Sturridge was his clear choice. Ross mentioned that if you judge purely on goals scored Suarez is the clear choice, however if an educated man was to dig deeper he would see that Sturridge scored more important goals at more important times in games. He also advised that Sturridge did more for the team in terms of bringing positive results.

With that in mind I decided to do a little table of SAS, comparing stats that were one easily accessible and two on area's that give a little more insight in value to the team.



Some quick observations you can make without diving too deeply in are as follows

1. When you count penalties won as assists, Suarez has over double that of Studge
2. Suarez has again over double the number of MOTM awards as his deadly partner.
3. Suarez has scored 19 (61%) of his goals when the team were losing, drawing or leading by a single goal (Kinda blows Rosco's comment above out of the water!)
4. Suarez outscores Studge 7 to 5 in goals against the top 8 and 7 to 2 in assists against the top 8. (again making Ross's assertion that Suarez doesn't do it against the top sides seem laughable at the very least)

All in all it seems difficult to see where Studge is more deserving of the poty award ahead of Suarez.
Ross could point to the fact that Studge has scored when we were losing on five seperate occasions, however you could counter that by saying Suarez has assisted or scored on 5 occasions when we were losing too.

Furthermore we see that both players have broken the deadlock in games on six occasions, however Suarez has assisted in breaking the deadlock five times more than Studge.

Finally if we bring workrate into the equation, even Suarez's biggest haters have to admit he is the hardest working striker in the leauge,when his side are not in possession

So Rosco, what say you? Time for some humble pie?
 
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FoxForceFive said:
Bloody hell Pat.

That's a pretty decent summary, & possibly the most coherent thing you've ever posted on SCM!
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Ha thanks, I think, could have waffled on some more but figured nobody would read it if I did.
What can I say, Ross's trolling pushed me to a level I'm usually not bothered reaching.
I'm he'll come back with some obtuse point fighting his corner but for me the stats speak for themselves
 
Yeah but.... he'll decline now and Rosco will then be able to argue in 3yrs time that we should have sold him 4yrs ago.
 
mark1975 said:
Yeah but.... he'll decline now and Rosco will then be able to argue in 3yrs time that we should have sold him 4yrs ago.
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I do recall Ross being very firm that his value had peaked last season and he couldn't possible improve his market value anymore.
 
It's like watching a toddler walk for the first time.

Yeah, he stumbled a bit, and it wasn't flawless, but there's no reason to point that out, you just have to applaud the effort.
 
Good summary, Pat.
I don't think many here (or anywhere in world football) really needed it to know that Suarez deserved all the credit and recognition he got this season. I don't think many shared Rosco's view re Suarez. But good to see the numbers.

@Dreambeliever I'd just add two things which I believe you've overlooked:
  1. I believe Suarez only missed the MU home game out of the top 8 games while Sturridge missed more (e.g. Citeh and Chelsea away?)
  2. Suarez played more minutes - I cannot think of any game he was actually substituted while Sturridge did get subbed out.
 
@Dreambeliever do you have the full stats for penalties won regardless of whether they were scored?

Seems harsh to punish the winner of the penalty if it isn't converted!

Great post though.
 
I think anyone suggesting Suarez wasn't great this season was either playing devil's advocate or just playing the WUM.
 
jimmy said:
Good summary, Pat.
I don't think many here (or anywhere in world football) really needed it to know that Suarez deserved all the credit and recognition he got this season. I don't think many shared Rosco's view re Suarez. But good to see the numbers.

@Dreambeliever I'd just add two things which I believe you've overlooked:
  1. I believe Suarez only missed the MU home game out of the top 8 games while Sturridge missed more (e.g. Citeh and Chelsea away?)
  2. Suarez played more minutes - I cannot think of any game he was actually substituted while Sturridge did get subbed out.
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This is true, however Suarez was also a victim of the teams success. Studges early goals looks so important because they were the only goal. Quiet often Suarez was architect when it came to extending leads or blowing out scores.
Also Suarez had more than one assist in a game a number of times. Studge didn't manage it all season.
It's apparent when you look deeper that when games were tight and getting a goal for the team was most important, Suarez was the man to assist this more than anyone else while Studge was normally the one on the end of the pass.

Finally most of our goals were scored in the first 60 mins of game so the sub point losses a lot of importance.
 
Brizzle said:
@Dreambeliever do you have the full stats for penalties won regardless of whether they were scored?

Seems harsh to punish the winner of the penalty if it isn't converted!

Great post though.
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I was tempted to add those in but then you'd have to add in all goal scoring chances created, a stat that once again Suarez smashes Studge in.

Then there is the other stuff like how most world class players would react to the treatment he got from his manager, the press, fans etc. For Suarez to come back and be as good and effective as he was, is IMHO the greatest season you are ever likely to see from an individual.
 
Great work @Dreambeliever


Nevertheless, and far be it from me to ride to @Rosco's defence, and I do believe Suarez was our player of the season, it does appear that Studge does score more often when we're in a tough scrape- he has scored 13 goals when we're drawing or behind, compared to 8 from Suarez. He scored 4 goals that resulted in us bringing 3 pts home and a further 2 to grab us a share of the spoils. Crazily, that didn't happen once with Suarez- no goals in those precariously balanced games that decided the result.

And I think it is true that in those games that aren't necessarily going our way Luis can be guilty at snatching at things, trying too hard, and ending up frustrated. It could be argued that in those games it should be Suarez being subbed off and not Studge, going by your excellent stats.
 
doctor_mac said:
Great work @Dreambeliever


Nevertheless, and far be it from me to ride to @Rosco's defence, and I do believe Suarez was our player of the season, it does appear that Studge does score more often when we're in a tough scrape- he has scored 13 goals when we're drawing or behind, compared to 8 from Suarez. He scored 4 goals that resulted in us bringing 3 pts home and a further 2 to grab us a share of the spoils. Crazily, that didn't happen once with Suarez- no goals in those precariously balanced games that decided the result.

And I think it is true that in those games that aren't necessarily going our way Luis can be guilty at snatching at things, trying too hard, and ending up frustrated. It could be argued that in those games it should be Suarez being subbed off and not Studge, going by your excellent stats.
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Aha but what you fail to notice is Suarez is the one that has assisted most when we needed a goal in a tight spot, showing he in fact becomes the provider while studge barely registers on this stat.
Also 3 of studges winning goals came before Suarez's return.
It could argued that when Suarez was tasked with providing the goals in studges absence he didn't get deciding goals because he was too busy banging in hat tricks and the like.
 
I imagine this is what it's like when your kid learns to shit in a toilet for the first time.
 
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