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I can - option to buy at the end of the loan period, at a set price which, if we agree to meet it, we could then enforce. If the player wanted to object, he'd have to do so when the original loan agreement was on the table. Whether we *would* insist on the signing going through if the player didn't want to come at that stage is a different matter.
 
Remember when we sent Joe Cole to Lille to secure first refusal on Eden Hazard.

"Hi Eden, would you like to go to Liverpool"
"No thanks".
"Right, there you go, you had first refusal"."
 
Remember when we sent Joe Cole to Lille to secure first refusal on Eden Hazard.

"Hi Eden, would you like to go to Liverpool"
"No thanks".
"Right, there you go, you had first refusal"."
Maybe Joe Cole got all confused and told Eden to go to Chelsea?
 
Maybe Joe Cole got all confused and told Eden to go to Chelsea?

I think he actually did - I read something to that effect.

We didn't have first refusal for Hazard though. We just hoped giving them a sweet deal on Joe Cole would build enough goodwill towards us to give us an advantage. This has worked out about as well as most of Commolli's ideas.
 
I’m at Liverpool FC for my career, not for cash says Nuri Sahin





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Nuri Sahin, Liverpool FC
NURI SAHIN insists it was the vision he was sold by Brendan Rodgers rather than the promise of a bumper pay day which convinced him to join Liverpool FC.
The 23-year-old midfielder is set to make his debut at Anfield tomorrow against the club he snubbed in favour of joining the Reds from Real Madrid on a season-long loan deal.
Arsenal believed the lure of Champions League football would enable them to come out on top in the battle for Sahin’s services last week.
But they failed to secure his signature and Rodgers took full advantage.
The Gunners have since claimed that they walked away due to financial reasons with both Madrid and the player banking more from Liverpool’s proposal.
However, the Turkey international says if he was motivated by lining his pockets he wouldn’t have ended up at Anfield.
“Money? You don’t know me very well if you think I would go for money,” said Sahin.
“If it was about money I wouldn’t be here. I had quite a lot of offers that would have allowed me to earn three times as much as I will earn here.
“I’m 23-years-old and I don’t care about money. I know that I will earn a lot of money in my career if everything goes well and it would be impossible in my situation and in my mind to put money above playing football.
“I could have gone to many places and earned much more than here. The only reason I am here is that I know that I can play football here.
“I know that I have a manager who trusts in my game and the way I play and I am at a huge club. That is why I am here.”
Having agreed with Madrid boss Jose Mourinho that he would head out on loan, Sahin initially set his sights on joining a Champions League club.
But after holding talks with Rodgers he was attracted to Anfield by the prospect of helping to guide the Reds back into Europe’s elite this season.
“Mourinho didn’t tell me to go here or there. He told me about English football and said that I would love the Premier League because it is the best league in the world, but I made my own mind up about Brendan Rodgers,” he said.
“The manager told me about his thinking about how his team is going to play football and about how he sees me fitting into the team. We talked a lot about football. He just impressed me and here I am.
“The important thing for me is how he wants his team to play is the same as how I want to play.


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“It is a big challenge to take Liverpool back to where they belong. It will be difficult to get into the top four but we have such quality in the squad and with the new manager we can play some good games.
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“The challenge for us will be to hold down the quality over 38 games but we are here to go for it.
“As a team we can become heroes. It’s been three seasons for this club without playing in the Champions League. To bring back those nights will be perfect for everyone here.”
Sahin says there are similarities between Rodgers and his former boss Jurgen Klopp, who transformed Borussia Dortmund’s fortunes following his appointment in 2008.
The highly-rated German coach inherited a squad which had finished 13th in the Bundesliga but within three seasons they were champions with Sahin instrumental in their success.
Taking Liverpool back to the summit of English football is arguably a much tougher task for Rodgers, but the midfielder believes what has been achieved at Dortmund shows it can be done.
“When I spoke to my family, I told them that Brendan Rodgers is a bit like Jurgen Klopp in the way that he thinks about football,” he said.
“Borussia Dortmund and Liverpool are similar as well. The people are crazy about the clubs, the stadiums are fantastic and the way they want to play football with a high tempo and high level passing that is also similar so that made my decision easier.
“I know the quality in England is very high. There are the Manchester teams and the London teams but the German league is also very difficult to win.


At Dortmund we were a team. In Klopp’s first season we were sixth, then the next season we were fifth. Then we became champions and last season Dortmund were champions again.
“That’s because of a long-term project and I think Brendan Rodgers will bring his mind about football to Liverpool. As a club, and with the supporters, there will be only one way and that is up.”
Sahin’s affection for Liverpool dates back to one of the greatest nights in the club’s history – the miracle of Istanbul. He was at the Ataturk Stadium back in 2005 to see the Reds’ stunning comeback against Milan.
For the next nine months Sahin will benefit from the remarkable support he witnessed that night.
“We were the Under 17 European champions with Turkey and were invited by the Turkish FA and we were sitting where the Liverpool fans were sitting,” he said.
“At half-time it was 3-0 and the people were crying. I saw one guy calling his family and crying.
“Then Dietmar Hamann comes on and the game changes. At 3-1 people said ‘maybe’, then at 3-2 it was just crazy and after that I had goosebumps.
“I knew Liverpool would win and also the football god was with Liverpool when Shevchenko missed a chance he would score 99 times out of 100.
“On this night when I saw Steven Gerrard with the Champions League trophy I thought I want to win this cup one day.
“It’s amazing to think I’ll be playing for those fans now. Seeing a comeback like that gives everyone inspiration.
“We all thought ‘what is this? This is real football, this is why we love football’. If you think of legendary games, this is the game you think about and I’m happy to say I was there.”


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I really love this boy. Have since I watched him at Dortmund a couple of seasons back. I hope things work out and we see the classy player he is.
 
I like what he has to say. However surely he gets paid the same amount as if he had stayed at real? I don't get how he'd get paid more elsewhere, unless maybe theres a signing on fee of some description
 
LFC Transfer Spec@LFCTS
Sunday Times journo @JNorthcroft says #LFC can buy Nuri Sahin for £11m if his loan spell goes well.

LIVERPOOL have moved to mollify Brendan Rodgers after the manager was angered by his club’s failure to sign Clint Dempsey on transfer deadline day.

Fenway Sports Group (FSG), the club's owners, are willing to address Rodgers’ strong desire to sign a forward in the January transfer window with Theo Walcott a possible target. FSG have also reassured Rodgers that the imbalance in his squad left by Liverpool’s summer dealings – he now has just two senior strikers – will be taken into account when this season’s performance is reviewed. They see the problem as a short-term one and maintain that the goal set for Rodgers is a longer term one: delivering Champions League football by 2015.

The owners are fixing transfer policy accordingly. A move for Dempsey on Friday was abandoned after Fulham accepted an offer of £4m plus add-ons from Aston Villa for the American striker but refused to deal with Liverpool on similar terms. They then quoted Spurs a price of £8m before allowing Dempsey to move to Tottenham for £6m. FSG’s reluctance to bid higher for Dempsey was down to his age – 29. They are prepared to make much higher sums available for younger players and a £15m permanent deal for Daniel Sturridge was lined up on Friday but Rodgers’ preference was to take the Chelsea striker on loan.

Though the failure to sign Dempsey agitated Rodgers, the manager will be placated by the promise of being backed generously in future transfer windows including a bid for Walcott, a player he has long admired. Arsenal blocked Walcott leaving for Manchester City last week but cannot count on extending the attacker’s contract. Walcott has been offered £80,000 per week but, given that Arsenal use him heavily in commercial campaigns, he wants added image rights payments. Come January, Walcott will have just a few months left to run on his present deal and his enthusiasm for staying at Arsenal may be further tested this afternoon with Arsene Wenger planning to drop him for the match at Liverpool.

At 23, Walcott fits the profile of players FSG want to acquire. Despite talk of budget restraints, Liverpool spent £25m (when add-ons are included) on Joe Allen, 22, and Fabio Borini, 21 in summer and more would have been available had buyers been found for Carroll, Jordan Henderson and Stuart Downing.

The trio, and Charlie Adam, who was sold to Stoke for £4m, were bought during a £110m spree by Kenny Dalglish and former director of football, Damien Comolli. Not repeating the mistakes of Comolli and Dalglish - who rushed into paying £35m for Carroll on deadline day in January 2012 - influenced FSG’s decision not to enter an auction for Dempsey simply to address an immediate need.

There is sympathy that this has left Rodgers with only Luis Suarez and Fabio Borini as forwards but confidence that this can be corrected in January – not least because the terms of Carroll’s loan to West Ham would allow Liverpool to recall the striker then. FSG also believe it important to keep funds back to offer the option of making Nuri Sahin’s signing permanent. Acquiring Sahin on loan from Real Madrid – ahead of Arsenal – was a major coup and Liverpool can buy the former Bundesliga player of the year for around £11m should his loan spell go well.

Ian Ayre, Liverpool’s chief executive, has borne the brunt of supporters’ fury about deadline day but his position is not threatened, despite renewed speculation about his future following reports in Australia that Gillon McLachlan, chief operating officer of the Australian Football League, had turned down the chance to replace Ayre earlier this year.
 
PR twaddle. And you don't 'spend' a sum that includes add-ons that are in the future and might never happen - only FSG could encourage such a spin on things. (Or is the club still paying Coventry for Kirkland's great career as England's number one keeper?) As for Rodgers being 'promised' things, well, if hasn't already learned to take that with an enormous pinch of salt he's too gullible for this world.
 
[QUOTEFSG have also reassured Rodgers that the imbalance in his squad left by Liverpool’s summer dealings – he now has just two senior strikers – will be taken into account when this season’s performance is reviewed. ][/QUOTE]

They love reviewing things, don't they? Maybe if they got involved and DID things when it could help they'd be happier about how things go.
 
To him? He wants a striker and has the funds to do it... What difference? 15m is a fair price. I don't get it.
 
To him? He wants a striker and has the funds to do it... What difference? 15m is a fair price. I don't get it.

He wants a striker to be "cover". And that means he has to be cheap, old, free, on loan or something. Because obviously god forbid we have an expensive striker sitting on the bench, can't imagine why anyone would want such a thing.
 
For the cameo 60 minutes display of Sahin against Arsenal, I see no evidence yet that Sahin will be a good loan deal let alone a good signing.
 
For the cameo 60 minutes display of Sahin against Arsenal, I see no evidence yet that Sahin will be a good loan deal let alone a good signing.

That's why you don't judge players on 60 minutes of playing time. Suarez needs to be sold? Gerrard?

That's a bit of a silly comment, considering he's a proven top class player.
 
For the cameo 60 minutes display of Sahin against Arsenal, I see no evidence yet that Sahin will be a good loan deal let alone a good signing.

It wasn't evident, but he was playing well within himself, which I liked.

It was his first game having hardly even trained with this team. He kept it simple.

Allen has spoiled us by looking exceptional from day 1, but let's remember that he has played in the Premiership, and played in Rodgers' system, already.

Sahin will be a fantastic signing, and he won't even need the full season of bedding in that many previous imports have been afforded.
 
Sure I maybe wrong, but bigger names from outside the PL had failed in the PL before.
 
i like fsg - i think the policy right now is to go by their experience in sports management and not by making the same mistakes as last season. i can believe that br did not want sturridge other than through a loan deal as he knows the player from his chelsea days maybe.
 
Is this some kind of new business practice evolving from FSG?

- mess up a transfer(s)/loans, announce it, then float the idea that we'll be trying to correct it in January, when our bargaining position will be see-through.

This business of hiding the credit card and then bringing it out full force when we get desperate to spend is a new one on me.
 
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