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It didn't look cliched against Villa,United , Hull or even QPR at times. I haven't got a problem with Mignolet as he seems to have his head screwed on now but we've hardly got a solid defence. I feel a bit sorry for Can as after doing very well initially at right sided centre back the longer he's played there the more he's been exposed.
Also i don't think any of our full backs have adapted particularly well to the 3 at the back system but that's probably got a lot to do with us trying to play wingers there .

The performances against those teams seemed to have more to do with lack of team application than solely defensive deficiencies per se. However if you are going to single out individual matches then also consider those where we didn't concede, since that is as many as virtually every other team bar Chelsea.

Every single team, in every single match, has their 'hair-raising' defensive 'moments', that's the nature of football so if a player makes a mistake, yet it is then recovered by another defender / keeper, then that's an intake of breath .. but not something we should be castigating the defence for unless those deficiencies are perpetual .. and I don't see that they are, we have only conceded 9 more goals (even after some poor periods of team performances, especially early season) than the best defence in the league, and that's with injuries, lack of form (team & Lovren) and suspensions.

I agree with you on Can and on our WBs when we've played 3 at the back, but that is also experience since the formation is new to them this season and we've been using mostly very young players lacking experience as WBs (Moreno, Can, Markovic, Sterling, Ibe & Manquillo). I would expect improvement from them next season .. though I expect BR to revert to his favoured straight Back 4 in a 4-3-3 anyway. Injuries to Flanno and Johnson have enforced the use of that Back 3 and of the use of such young players.

I think many people are being a tad too harsh on our defence. The proof of the pudding is in the 'goals conceded' column.
 
The proof of the pudding is in the League Table and we've finished way down on where we were last season. The reason i highlighted them games is because they were all important games at the end of the season and we didn't defend any better in those games than when we had at the start of the season. In my opinion the defence (and the way the whole team defends when we are not in possesion) doesn't look like they have been coached at all. Whenever we lose the ball it's appalling how slow we are to get back behind the ball and this usually includes the player who lost possesion. Other supposedly lesser teams are far better at working harder to get back into position than we are. It isn't about talent it's about application and for the most part defensively we lack it.
And why just compare our defence with Chelsea's? Southampton lost 2 of their 1st choice defenders and have still conceded 9 less than us. I wouldn't call them a defensive team but they are certainly well organised and hard to break down because they all work hard and defend as a team.
I haven't picked on any individual defenders and i actually think we have some decent ones (Sakho and Skrtel being the best) but as a defensive unit and a team we are caught out of position far too much for my liking. How often do you see us counter attack a team with 2 or 3 players and have them in trouble? Not very often since Suarez has gone but at the other end teams counter attack us with only a few players and have us in all sorts of trouble.Villa for example.
We're pretty useless at set pieces as well. How many times do the opposition get a free header against us?
I'd like to see them coached better defensively but i'm not sure that Rodgers is either capable of it or that bothered by it.
 
The proof of the pudding is in the League Table and we've finished way down on where we were last season.
Sorry but that simply is not so. We conceded 51 goals in the PL last season and finished 2nd. Conceded 39 this season (36 games) and are 5th. Our position in the table is proof of nothing as far as the quality of our defending goes and I'd say those statistics show a marked improvement despite our chronic early season form and with 11 of those goals coming against just two teams (United & Arsenal, which would seem to say more about how BR set us up re. strategy and formation).

Whenever we lose the ball it's appalling how slow we are to get back behind the ball and this usually includes the player who lost possesion. Other supposedly lesser teams are far better at working harder to get back into position than we are. It isn't about talent it's about application and for the most part defensively we lack it.
You are now talking about defending as a team .. and not our defence per se which is the subject matter.

And why just compare our defence with Chelsea's? Southampton lost 2 of their 1st choice defenders and have still conceded 9 less than us. I wouldn't call them a defensive team but they are certainly well organised and hard to break down because they all work hard and defend as a team.
If Southampton are not a defensive team then I don't know who else would qualify ! Their whole ethic is based around a strong defence and strong defensive midfield.

How often do you see us counter attack a team with 2 or 3 players and have them in trouble? Not very often since Suarez has gone but at the other end teams counter attack us with only a few players and have us in all sorts of trouble.
I completely agree with this .. but it isn't related to defending. In this regard though we miss Sakho and (controversially on this site I know) Gerrard because these are players who can push us forward quickly whereas the likes of Skrtel, Lovren, Lucas, Moreno, Manquillo, Allen and Henderson simply don't.

We're pretty useless at set pieces as well. How many times do the opposition get a free header against us?
This comes back to goals conceded. Every team concedes 'free headers', how many result in goals though is the only critical factor. I don't know how many headed goals we've conceded this season compared to other top teams .. but that will be the benchmark.
 
EXCLUSIVE: Southampton plot £10m swoop for Newcastle and West Brom target Charlie Austin

SOUTHAMPTON are ready to offer £10million for Queens Park Rangers striker Charlie Austin.

By TONY BANKS
PUBLISHED: 00:10, Wed, May 13, 2015 | UPDATED: 07:39, Wed, May 13, 2015



Austin has scored 17 goals for QPR this season but been unable to prevent them being relegated to the Championship.
Newcastle and West Bromwich are also keen on Austin, 25, but the striker, who has one year of his £28,000-a-week contract at Loftus Road, is keen on staying in the south.
Austin has consistently refused to put pen to paper on the new £60,000 deal QPR offered him in January and the club are now resigned to losing him this summer.
QPR have want about £14m for Austin, who they signed from Burnley in 2013 for £4m.
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STUART ROBINSON
Southampton have made a £10million bid for Charlie Austin
Saints striker and Tottenham target Jay Rodriguez, meanwhile, has ended speculation about his future by signing a new long-term contract.
A ruptured anterior cruciate ligament means it has been more than a year since the 25-year-old last played.
His current contract was due to expire next year but he has now signed an extension taking him through to 2019.

At £10m seems like a no brainer..
 
Would much prefer Austin to Bentake (at the prices quoted) if those two players are the height of our ambitions this summer...
 
Sorry but that simply is not so. We conceded 51 goals in the PL last season and finished 2nd. Conceded 39 this season (36 games) and are 5th. Our position in the table is proof of nothing as far as the quality of our defending goes and I'd say those statistics show a marked improvement despite our chronic early season form and with 11 of those goals coming against just two teams (United & Arsenal, which would seem to say more about how BR set us up re. strategy and formation).

You are now talking about defending as a team .. and not our defence per se which is the subject matter.

If Southampton are not a defensive team then I don't know who else would qualify ! Their whole ethic is based around a strong defence and strong defensive midfield.

I completely agree with this .. but it isn't related to defending. In this regard though we miss Sakho and (controversially on this site I know) Gerrard because these are players who can push us forward quickly whereas the likes of Skrtel, Lovren, Lucas, Moreno, Manquillo, Allen and Henderson simply don't.

This comes back to goals conceded. Every team concedes 'free headers', how many result in goals though is the only critical factor. I don't know how many headed goals we've conceded this season compared to other top teams .. but that will be the benchmark.

Southampton have score 2 goals less than ourselves this season. Does this mean were a defensive team then?
As for their whole ethic being based around a strong defence and strong defensive midfield i don't see how that's a bad thing and if we could emulate that we would almost certainly be a better team. Very few of our players seem upset or bothered when they lose the ball to the point where they chase back and try to regain possession (coutinho excluded as he does chase back).
We really should be defending as a team and not just relying on the defenders to do the dirty work so to speak which would take some pressure off the defenders and maybe stop them getting drawn out of position which leaves gaps for teams to exploit. The best teams in the world are full of talented but hard working players and our players down seem to want to (or aren't told to) work their collective arses off.
Players for Chelsea like Willian or Oscar or Hazard are in the team essentially for what they do with the ball but that doesn't stop them putting a shift in defensively. It might not have come naturally to them but you've got to assume it's been drummed into them by Mourinho and now it's second nature. On Sunday every time Chelsea lost the ball whilst we faffed about passing around the back their players were all getting back into position and making it hard to play through them. If you can't learn from the best teams basic things like defensive responsibility for all the players and not just defenders then what's the point?
 
I would of prefered Austin to Ings.. Austin is more of the natural goalscorer..

But trying to mount a challenge next season with two strikers from teams that have been relegated ? Nah...

One or the other and a top quality striker is the order of the day....
 
If Benteke & Ings are the primary forward targets then I'd probably suggest we're trying to consolidate our position as the 5th best team in England, with a long term play to make an assault on 4th in a few years time.
 
Lacazette would make much more sense. He would fit more into how we play than Benteke would. Plus he looks class from the few times I've seen him over the last couple of years.
 
If Benteke & Ings are the primary forward targets then I'd probably suggest we're trying to consolidate our position as the 5th best team in England, with a long term play to make an assault on 4th in a few years time.

Exciting times!
 
Doubt we'd get Lacazette for 32 mill now. Aulas is horrendous to deal with, Lyon doesnt have to sell and apparantly there are some major issues with co ownership re Lacazette. Him and Fekir are in the same deal or something.
 
The price being quoted for Benteke we'd get Lacazette.

I've championed lacazette for several years now. Should have got him last summer, too late. All the big boys will be after him. I've seen him loads by the way, wTched a shed load of French football. He'd fit into our team brilliantly.
 
Are we actually trying to BECOME Southampton? Only a shitter version were we don't sign any of their actual good players like Clyne and Schneiderlin?
 
Well, TBF Fonte's played well this season. I haven't been a big fan of his previously, but he got voted into the PFA Prem Team of the Season.

That said, I strongly agree that Schneiderlin especially should be far higher priority for us.
 
I think with defenders like Fonte and Lovren and Yoshida etc etc, the system they employ is almost as important as their individual ability. It's hard to stand out and play well as an individual centreback if the rest of the defence is all over the place. That's why I have some patience with Lovren. If we sort out the defence as a whole then he'll look better. I don't think the Fonte rumours are true, but going after him would be a sign we're just looking to throw money at our problems and hope they go away.
 
But we've conceded less this season than last season, so buying another central defender would be like buying more deck chairs for the Titanic's maiden voyage.
 
...and even the one-time weak link among ours, Lovren, has stepped up and started to play in recent weeks. If CB is a priority at all, it's a very low one.
 
Liverpool FC transfer rumours: Reds want Carlos Tevez, Jose Fonte heading to Anfield, Martinez link intensifies, Balotelli to Genoa

The latest Liverpool FC transfer gossip from around the web
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Football - Juventus v SL Benfica - UEFA Europa League Semi Final Second Leg - Juventus Stadium, Turin, Italy - 13/14 - 1/5/14 Carlos Tevez - Juventus Credit: Action Images / Peter Cziborra
Liverpool FC are targeting Juventus striker Carlos Tevez, according to the Metro.
The former Manchester United and Manchester City forward helped the Old Lady to the Champions League final with a win over Real Madrid on Wednesday.
The paper believes the Serie A champions are looking to offload the Argentine after securing a deal for Palermo's Paulo Dybala.
Elsewhere, Brendan Rodgers wants to bring in Southampton defender Jose Fonte and reunite him with Dejan Lovren, reports the Mirror.
The 31-year-old Portuguese centre back was made Saints captain this season but is supposedly available at the right price.
The paper says the Reds are one of a handful of clubs considering him in their search for an experienced, technically-sound defender.
According to reports in Spain, Liverpool have offered £14.3million for Real Sociedad defender Inigo Martinez.
MARCA reports that Reds officials watched the centre-half in the 2-0 defeat to Barcelona.
Martinez, who plays under David Moyes in La Liga, has already been linked with a move to Anfield.
And finally, Genoa president Enrico Preziosi has not ruled out a move for striker Mario Balotelli.
Prezioisi, speaking to Radio Kiss Kiss , admits that a move is unlikely, but has failed to fully rule out the possibility.
He said: “Balotelli? Never say never, even if our offer would be less than what he is usually accustomed to.”
 
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