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The same was said back when H&G were in place. Despite the facts being in black and white that we'd overspent for years.

And nothing has really changed, it's how we spend it rather than how much we spend that is the issue.
 
I don't think they'd lose that much by booting out Rodgers and his staff. If the likes of Marsh and Pascoe are on much at all then someone's truly incompetent. They'll lose far more in the long term by sticking with an under-performing set-up. They certainly need to go through all of Rodgers' backroom staff and weed out the waste. He has an entire team of video and data analysts, for god's sake - whatever they do it's not helping. Then there's the ex-Swansea mob who run the sports science and fitness side of the operation - again, if FSG think that's giving value for money they're crazy.


Macca, quick question - how much value is there in having someone on the coaching team who has won stuff with Liverpool? Mike Marsh is connected (in my mind at least) with Souness-era Liverpool (in terms of Souness managing) where we were falling away and doesn't seem like a particularly strong character, but Phil Thompson's appointment seems to have been a positive one. Is there merit in your opinion in finding someone like Thommo to come in? Strong, forceful personality, won lots with the club etc.
 
I don't think they'd lose that much by booting out Rodgers and his staff. If the likes of Marsh and Pascoe are on much at all then someone's truly incompetent. They'll lose far more in the long term by sticking with an under-performing set-up. They certainly need to go through all of Rodgers' backroom staff and weed out the waste. He has an entire team of video and data analysts, for god's sake - whatever they do it's not helping. Then there's the ex-Swansea mob who run the sports science and fitness side of the operation - again, if FSG think that's giving value for money they're crazy.

What's wrong with having data analysts?

The more information available the better the quality of decision you can make. Provided the right people are doing the job - and even if they are data analysis is in its early stages in football. There will be trial and error involved.

I've seen little evidence of what the sports science and fitness team have brought to the table
 
What's wrong with having data analysts?

The more information available the better the quality of decision you can make. Provided the right people are doing the job - and even if they are data analysis is in its early stages in football. There will be trial and error involved.

I've seen little evidence of what the sports science and fitness team have brought to the table

Nothing wrong at all with data analysis when it's done properly. My point is it isn't. And these days the nature of the software means you are better off with a very small but coherent team rather than a bloated group of geeks.
 
Macca, quick question - how much value is there in having someone on the coaching team who has won stuff with Liverpool? Mike Marsh is connected (in my mind at least) with Souness-era Liverpool (in terms of Souness managing) where we were falling away and doesn't seem like a particularly strong character, but Phil Thompson's appointment seems to have been a positive one. Is there merit in your opinion in finding someone like Thommo to come in? Strong, forceful personality, won lots with the club etc.


I think the first priority has to be merit here and now: are they able to contribute incisively. But yes, if they also come with a background and reputation that resonates with the support and gives them a certain authority with the personnel, I do think that would be a very good thing right now. IMHO Barnes would be good. Rodgers has spoken of his respect for Molby, so he might be a good fit. Danny Murphy is younger and would at least be an upgrade on poor Mike Narsh, who's a decent lad but isn't right for that role.
 
I got laughed at for suggesting there were too many people involved in all this backroom bullshit a while back. Football is played ona pitch not on a spreadsheet. No data in the world would explain Messi or Suarez. And what about players that are made to look better than they are by playing alongside a better player.
I'm sure Louvren's data was a deciding factor on buying him. But even a cursory knowledge OF THE ACTUAL GAME would have revealed he was playing alongside and behind players that improved his data.
 
I got laughed at for suggesting there were too many people involved in all this backroom bullshit a while back. Football is played ona pitch not on a spreadsheet. No data in the world would explain Messi or Suarez. And what about players that are made to look better than they are by playing alongside a better player.
I'm sure Louvren's data was a deciding factor on buying him. But even a cursory knowledge OF THE ACTUAL GAME would have revealed he was playing alongside and behind players that improved his data.

Put king binny in a room with a laptop, some biccies and a cuppa. Sack the rest.
 
Nothing wrong at all with data analysis when it's done properly. My point is it isn't. And these days the nature of the software means you are better off with a very small but coherent team rather than a bloated group of geeks.


Didn't a club (City or Chelsea maybe?) recently acquire a football data company?

Football clubs should be more involved in the startup scene, if they're not already.
 
Is there a compelling reason for in-house data analysis?

There seems to be a vast amount of publicly sourced data available and enough software packages for even the most discerning user.

If anything this penchant for in depth analysis rather than helping us make better decisions on the face of it seems to have confused us.

Any analysis should be presented to the manager as an aid to picking players not as a justification for a committee to take control in my opinion. Not enough clarity?
 
It's as likely to make you sign a lemon as sending some old-school duffer to watch some kid on a rainy night in Barnsley.
Just smoke and mirrors. Load of people justifying their job by being 'really busy' churning out data.
 
I think the first priority has to be merit here and now: are they able to contribute incisively. But yes, if they also come with a background and reputation that resonates with the support and gives them a certain authority with the personnel, I do think that would be a very good thing right now. IMHO Barnes would be good. Rodgers has spoken of his respect for Molby, so he might be a good fit. Danny Murphy is younger and would at least be an upgrade on poor Mike Narsh, who's a decent lad but isn't right for that role.


Rodgers made a big thing about how he offers the opportunity for sacked managers to come and work or hang out at the club because he appreciated when someone did the same for him. I've no idea whether this is true, but I wonder whether it wouldn't be a good idea to give Sami a call. I've no real idea how good a coach he was for Leverkusen - I know he was assistant manager in the first instance, but I've no idea whether he coached - but as a former captain who was a commanding centre back, hugely professional athlete who has kept himself in good nick he might be a decent influence around the place.
 
Klopp, Anchelotti and Benitez all between jobs and we stick with someone who has failed for three years, can't set up a defence or buy a decent DM, and prescided over our worst defeat for 52 years. He can fuck off.
 
Yesterday I posted on here that I was torn between the two options.
I've woken up today knowing exactly how I feel.
FSG can fuck off, and Rodgers can fuck off.
Houllier was a gonna from the moment attendances dropped.
Rodgers will survive because however abject we are Anfield will always be full. It's a fucking theme park.
 
Yesterday I posted on here that I was torn between the two options.
I've woken up today knowing exactly how I feel.
FSG can fuck off, and Rodgers can fuck off.
Houllier was a gonna from the moment attendances dropped.
Rodgers will survive because however abject we are Anfield will always be full. It's a fucking theme park.


Yeah we're a broken theme park, like Alton Towers.
 
Is there a compelling reason for in-house data analysis?

There seems to be a vast amount of publicly sourced data available and enough software packages for even the most discerning user.

If anything this penchant for in depth analysis rather than helping us make better decisions on the face of it seems to have confused us.

Any analysis should be presented to the manager as an aid to picking players not as a justification for a committee to take control in my opinion. Not enough clarity?

There's very little data available publicly
 
Yeah we're a broken theme park, like Alton Towers.

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