But it's irrelevant now. We're stuck wasting cash on shite like Benteke. Rodgers is just a small part of the problem.
Rodgers survives
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It's the hope that kills us...
If that's the decision made, regardless how we feel we should give the club the backing. He will have to buy a competent striker and DM.
Ok ok calling him a cunt is a bit much..
But I guess it's my passion for the club getting the better of me..
It's the same old with this club... its sickening...
The fact you can see the disaster around the corner, is what makes it worse..
I hope to god he proves me wrong, but I've seen enough to think otherwise.
But I guess it's my passion for the club getting the better of me..
It's the same old with this club... its sickening...
The fact you can see the disaster around the corner, is what makes it worse..
I hope to god he proves me wrong, but I've seen enough to think otherwise.
I suppose that's one way of looking at it..
looking where Arsenal are now.. After building the stadium and paying it off.. They are Finally digging there hands in their pockets.. But they have had the added advantage to get where they are by qualifying for the Champions League year after year..
Each year we don't qualify.. The harder it will get.. We have a long long way to go...
Since these lizards bought the club revenues are up massively through sponsorship and endorsements, every year since they bought the club for a relative pittance they've reduced the wage bill, even though the tv deal alone has something like tripled in the last 6 years. Carlsberg used to pay 7m a year for the shirt, now Standard Chartered pay 25 and Carlsberg still pay 6 just to be associated with us. The Warrior deal was the biggest ever globally at the time. Then there's all this dunkin donuts and Chevrolet bullshit. Somehow an extra 100 million quid has ended up on the top line, yet managers have had to sell to buy every year without fail. Net spend has never exceeded about 20 million quid. Their policy of buying cheap and young and selling anyone who shows real promise is in full swing. They're only expanding the stadium so they can rape the fans some more.
Rodgers clearly hasn't been given the players he's wanted... he didn't want Balotelli... and while he dealt with that and the others badly, it shows that the problem certainly doesn't start and end with him. He's also in his first major job and knows if he's sacked it'll probably be his last, hence he's desperate to stick it out. With that in mind he's never going to do a Benitez and take the club on publicly regarding any of the failings. The owners know this and so he's the ideal fall guy for them to have in place whilst they play their money-making game. In summary, we're fucked. These lizards are Hicks and Gillett with a better PR team. They bought us for peanuts and now we're worth billions. Rodgers is their pawn in place to keep us bubbling along at zero cost until the perfect moment to sell at massive profit presents itself.
Rodgers clearly hasn't been given the players he's wanted... he didn't want Balotelli... and while he dealt with that and the others badly, it shows that the problem certainly doesn't start and end with him. He's also in his first major job and knows if he's sacked it'll probably be his last, hence he's desperate to stick it out. With that in mind he's never going to do a Benitez and take the club on publicly regarding any of the failings. The owners know this and so he's the ideal fall guy for them to have in place whilst they play their money-making game. In summary, we're fucked. These lizards are Hicks and Gillett with a better PR team. They bought us for peanuts and now we're worth billions. Rodgers is their pawn in place to keep us bubbling along at zero cost until the perfect moment to sell at massive profit presents itself.
Look what's happened when they have bought big.
Ozil - poor
Welbeck - started well but faded
Sanchez - success
Bingo. Now FFP has been blown out the water their exit strategy will be in full swing.
His back is definitely against the wall. Its bizarre how badly the players dropped off at the end of the season, which is what Werner needs to get to the bottom of. Things got real sour, real quick and that was nothing to do with signings. Rodgers looked defeated so it's a big ask to pick himself up and convince everyone; players and fans, that he's the man when he seemingly ran out of ideas.
That's a brilliant post, and I'll raise some of them points next time I'm arguing with my deluded mate who thinks The Lying Rag shines out of their ass. oh but they saved the Club, and they're like building a bigger stand...whoopy doo.
The Echo is getting more like Pravda every day, claiming all is well. The glaring issue here is that, if FSG decided to stick with Rodgers, it really needed to confound the negative reaction by showing some real ambition in the marketplace and signing a big name striker. What do they do? Tell the Echo they're in a hurry to get Milner and Ings. Are they really Americans at all? They don't seem to know how to fake sincerity, let alone have the real thing.
Speculation at best. Klopp has turned down loads of jobs already because of the planned time off.
Yeah, I used to think I wouldn't like to win like that.
Now I just think I'd enjoy the ride for a few years before winning the CL & league regularly becomes 'normal' again.
I really don't think you do.
Are FSG really that bad in terms of spending money?
Since they've arrived we've spent loads of cash. Okay, we've recouped quite a lot too but they've had their hands forced with top players wanting to leave.
It doesn't make sense from an investment point of view to not be bothered whether we make the CL or are successful. Success will ultimately influence any kind of bottom line with LFC.
Since they've arrived we've spent loads of cash. Okay, we've recouped quite a lot too but they've had their hands forced with top players wanting to leave.
It doesn't make sense from an investment point of view to not be bothered whether we make the CL or are successful. Success will ultimately influence any kind of bottom line with LFC.
Blah blah, not only one jumping up and down with glee by all accounts. A sizeable portion (majority) have seen the flaws in rogers and want him gone as we will not progress under him. Only success has come due to a world class striker in the form of his life.
Coached by him.
They've only spent what we got in from selling our best. And wasting it on shite.
I agree. I don't think much of FSG because they seem weirdly incompetent, but I don't think those accusations stack up at all.
We're still spending more net than almost all clubs, and accumulated losses since they arrived will also be bigger than pretty much everyone bar Man City.
Money isn't the problem with them - everything else is.
They've not gone out of their way to sell our best though, have they?
Take last season, we spent in excess of 100M. How much should we have spent?
As for spending on it on shit, that's another matter.
From the Indie:
The Liverpool manager, Brendan Rodgers, has been given the responsibility to restore the club’s fortunes next season after agreeing a substantial new plan which the owners are satisfied can re-establish Champions League status.
Rodgers went into his meeting with chairman Tom Werner and Fenway Sports Group president Michael Gordon secure in the knowledge that the volume of public discussion surrounding his future did not equate to his job being on the line. But there was an agreement in the two-hour meeting that the outcome of the 2014-15 campaign had not been good enough and Rodgers has signed up to plans which have been laid for an improvement. The discussions on the subject of first team football were said to have been “productive”.
Quite how radical those plans are remains unclear. It is also unclear whether the transfer committee which has sanctioned expensive signings will remain its current form. It is possible that the club’s head of recruitment, Dave Fallows, and Michael Edwards, the director of performance analysis, may carry the can for last season.
Their statistically driven approach to recruitment has been a key factor in a transfer market strategy which saw the club spend £110m last summer on players who have not materially improved the squad. Gordon, managing director Ian Ayre and Rodgers also make up the committee.
Possible changes to the way Liverpool go about the new season may also include the recruitment of an experienced individual to work alongside Rodgers. It could be argued that those in his own management team are acolytes and that he could be challenged more.
The pressure will certainly be on Rodgers like never before when the new campaign begins, as he finds himself required to take the club back into the top four.
The progress Liverpool have made in securing the services of James Milner have pointed to the security of the manager’s position. Milner, whose signing is likely to be announced after his Manchester City contact expires on 30 June, has been attracted on substantially lower wages than the £165,000 he was being offered at City. Though the central midfield role available after Steven Gerrard’s departure is attractive, he is likely to have wanted assurances about Rodgers’ continued presence at the club before entering into detailed contract discussions.
The signing of Burnley’s Danny Ings is now imminent. Liverpool will also try to sign Aston Villa’s Christian Benteke and Southampton’s Nathaniel Clyne.
As well as the post-season review, Werner is also examining redevelopment work at Anfield and at the academy.
The Liverpool manager, Brendan Rodgers, has been given the responsibility to restore the club’s fortunes next season after agreeing a substantial new plan which the owners are satisfied can re-establish Champions League status.
Rodgers went into his meeting with chairman Tom Werner and Fenway Sports Group president Michael Gordon secure in the knowledge that the volume of public discussion surrounding his future did not equate to his job being on the line. But there was an agreement in the two-hour meeting that the outcome of the 2014-15 campaign had not been good enough and Rodgers has signed up to plans which have been laid for an improvement. The discussions on the subject of first team football were said to have been “productive”.
Quite how radical those plans are remains unclear. It is also unclear whether the transfer committee which has sanctioned expensive signings will remain its current form. It is possible that the club’s head of recruitment, Dave Fallows, and Michael Edwards, the director of performance analysis, may carry the can for last season.
Their statistically driven approach to recruitment has been a key factor in a transfer market strategy which saw the club spend £110m last summer on players who have not materially improved the squad. Gordon, managing director Ian Ayre and Rodgers also make up the committee.
Possible changes to the way Liverpool go about the new season may also include the recruitment of an experienced individual to work alongside Rodgers. It could be argued that those in his own management team are acolytes and that he could be challenged more.
The pressure will certainly be on Rodgers like never before when the new campaign begins, as he finds himself required to take the club back into the top four.
The progress Liverpool have made in securing the services of James Milner have pointed to the security of the manager’s position. Milner, whose signing is likely to be announced after his Manchester City contact expires on 30 June, has been attracted on substantially lower wages than the £165,000 he was being offered at City. Though the central midfield role available after Steven Gerrard’s departure is attractive, he is likely to have wanted assurances about Rodgers’ continued presence at the club before entering into detailed contract discussions.
The signing of Burnley’s Danny Ings is now imminent. Liverpool will also try to sign Aston Villa’s Christian Benteke and Southampton’s Nathaniel Clyne.
As well as the post-season review, Werner is also examining redevelopment work at Anfield and at the academy.
I'm not sure. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
I suspect they had some hope of maybe investing enough to get us the title & use that financial leverage that comes with it to build from there.
Now that it hasn't happened I think they're simply trying to invest just enough to get us in the CL regularly (ala arsenal) so we're a more attractive product to sell. Their incompetence has meant that despite sending enough to easily gain cl qualification hasn't actually worked.
I suspect they had some hope of maybe investing enough to get us the title & use that financial leverage that comes with it to build from there.
Now that it hasn't happened I think they're simply trying to invest just enough to get us in the CL regularly (ala arsenal) so we're a more attractive product to sell. Their incompetence has meant that despite sending enough to easily gain cl qualification hasn't actually worked.
So we're making changes but still buying muck.
Personally I'd say from the start they've been basically aiming at top 4 and anything else as a bonus. Significant but unspectacular investment, really.
I don't think there's been much to complain about, spending wise. This is the most we've consistently spent since the initial splurge Houllier went on in 99-02.
The rodgers meeting is just a sideshow. Werner really came over for the premier league shareholders meeting.
And sacking Rodgers would have cost them money (his payoff along with his staff and the new managers preferred signings) whereas keeping him only costs them what they are already paying him.
They talk about champions league qualifiation because that would bring in extra cash. You never hear FSG talk about winning things anymore and they can't even be arsed to come to any games. It's not like they've got a private jet is it.
And sacking Rodgers would have cost them money (his payoff along with his staff and the new managers preferred signings) whereas keeping him only costs them what they are already paying him.
They talk about champions league qualifiation because that would bring in extra cash. You never hear FSG talk about winning things anymore and they can't even be arsed to come to any games. It's not like they've got a private jet is it.
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