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Rafa's end of term report

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singlerider

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For me Rafa has pretty much delivered what I would have been very happy with before the season started - a serious title challenge that ended only a few games before the end of the season. Admittedly, he's made some (of the same) mistakes, and early on after seeing a pathetic 0-0 against Villa with Lucas playing left wing, I was as convinced then that he didn't have a clue what he was doing as I was at the end of last season when I thought that he'd figured it all out.

So I'm somewhat tentative in believing that this brand of beautiful attacking (WINNING!) football we've been treated to is here to stay. That said, after the fiasco last summer this was the first season in ages I didn't think "This is our year" and it was the closest we've come for beards.

Our highest points tally, scored more goals than anyone else, only 2 losses all season and wins against our major rivals. That right there reads like progress.

0-0 Stoke (H)
0-0 Fulham (H)
0-0 West Ham (H)
2-2 Hull (H)
1-1 Everton (H)
1-1 Citeh (H)
0-2 Boro (A)

That, does not.

Undoubtedly ending the season the way we did - especially after it looked like we were dead and buried - has helped the old morale, but after finishing strongly only to see the same mistakes repeated again the next season I worry that we may be lulled into a false sense of security.

Last year my position on Rafa was thus - I wanted to see the stoopid teamsheets a thing of the past, no ridiculous playing out of position for no reason, no unnecessary rotation for no reason, no treating the league like it was a secondary affair and a bloody good attempt on the league or his time might be up.

Well, I think on the last two he certainly delivered, and they've got to be the most important. The rest - weeeeeeeeell, I think there were still some WTF? moments, but he does seem to be learning.

We need a good transfer period, and we need progress. I expect both.

Next year, I expect the league
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=33774.msg875800#msg875800 date=1243363356]
That said, after the fiasco last summer this was the first season in ages I didn't think "This is our year" and it was the closest we've come for beards.

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I disagree. He's been shit 'on beards' for the past two seasons.
 
To "expect" the league is naive in the extreme.

However, I expect us to put up as good a challenge as we have done this season.

I'd like to see if we can get to the top, we have what it takes to stay there.
 
Nothing wrong with a winning mentality.

I'm not saying I *actually* expect us to win it, but anything less is not progress
 
There's a lot I don't like about Rafa. His petulance and man-management in particular. That said, he's done enough and shown enough this season to convince me he's worthy of having another crack at the league.

We really have to win it next season though. He's now got the backroom staff of his choosing and he's won his outstanding battles in the boardroom. He is probably now as powerful a manager as we've ever had in terms of the day to day running of the entire club. So next season it's put up or shut up Rafa.
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=33774.msg875800#msg875800 date=1243363356]
Next year, I expect the league
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Expect?

Given our resources compared to our rivals, I don't think we can expect to win the title.

But that's doesn't mean we cannot win it.
 
I'm giving Rafa 80 out of 100 this season.

-5 For too many draws
-5 For signing Dossena
-5 For not winning a trophy
-5 For allowing Parry to sign Keane
 
Our Highest EVER points total in the Prem..

Our best amount of Prem goals since 90-91

Our Best Goal diff (+50) in 21 years

Fortress Anfield is BACK! (First time undefeated at home since 87-88)

CLUB RECORD of 13 Away wins (done once before 104 Years ago)

43 points gained away from home NEW CLUB RECORD

Gained on Average 2.26 points per game OUR 2nd BEST in 94 Years of Top flight football

Scored at least 3 goals in 6 successive games for the FIRST TIME IN CLUBS HISTORY

(Boring Boring) Liverpool boast the highest goals per game average of any team in all four divisions in England.



But forget all that and mention the few bad points eh???
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875812#msg875812 date=1243364210]
I'm giving Rafa 80 out of 100 this season.

-5 For too many draws
-5 For signing Dossena
-5 For not winning a trophy
-5 For allowing Parry to sign Keane



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Given that too many draws cost us the league, I find it odd that you're docking him as many marks for that as for signing Dossena (which was admittedly a truly dreadful decision).
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=33774.msg875813#msg875813 date=1243364243]
Our Highest EVER points total in the Prem..

Our best amount of Prem goals since 90-91

Our Best Goal diff (+50) in 21 years

Fortress Anfield is BACK! (First time undefeated at home since 87-88)

CLUB RECORD of 13 Away wins (done once before 104 Years ago)

43 points gained away from home NEW CLUB RECORD

Gained on Average 2.26 points per game OUR 2nd BEST in 94 Years of Top flight football

Scored at least 3 goals in 6 successive games for the FIRST TIME IN CLUBS HISTORY

(Boring Boring) Liverpool boast the highest goals per game average of any team in all four divisions in England.



But forget all that and mention the few bad points eh???



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Errr . . . did you actually read my post?
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875812#msg875812 date=1243364210]
I'm giving Rafa 80 out of 100 this season.

-5 For too many draws
-5 For signing Dossena
-5 For not winning a trophy
-5 For allowing Parry to sign Keane



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Given that too many draws cost us the league, I find it odd that you're docking him as many marks for that as for signing Dossena (which was admittedly a truly dreadful decision).
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Thats because I'm splitting the blame for the draws between Rafa and the players.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875820#msg875820 date=1243364646]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875815#msg875815 date=1243364409]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875812#msg875812 date=1243364210]
I'm giving Rafa 80 out of 100 this season.

-5 For too many draws
-5 For signing Dossena
-5 For not winning a trophy
-5 For allowing Parry to sign Keane



[/quote]

Given that too many draws cost us the league, I find it odd that you're docking him as many marks for that as for signing Dossena (which was admittedly a truly dreadful decision).
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Thats because I'm splitting the blame for the draws between Rafa and the players.
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One player actually. A player who only played a handful of games for us. He's shite, I'll give you that, but so is your scoring system.
 
well next season we'll have to do better at punishing small teams because we are going to be hard pressed to beat manu and chelsea home and away again.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875826#msg875826 date=1243365111]
we are going to be hard pressed to beat manu and chelsea home and away again.
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why?
 
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875828#msg875828 date=1243365222]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875826#msg875826 date=1243365111]
we are going to be hard pressed to beat manu and chelsea home and away again.
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why?
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home and away wins against manu and chelsea are a gimme?
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875820#msg875820 date=1243364646]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875815#msg875815 date=1243364409]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875812#msg875812 date=1243364210]
I'm giving Rafa 80 out of 100 this season.

-5 For too many draws
-5 For signing Dossena
-5 For not winning a trophy
-5 For allowing Parry to sign Keane



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Given that too many draws cost us the league, I find it odd that you're docking him as many marks for that as for signing Dossena (which was admittedly a truly dreadful decision).
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Thats because I'm splitting the blame for the draws between Rafa and the players.
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One player actually. A player who only played a handful of games for us. He's shite, I'll give you that, but so is your scoring system.
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The extortionate fee we paid for him could have been spent in a much better fashion though, one which could hypothetically have made the difference to all of those draws.

I am rather surprised that such a staunch defender of Rafa would only score him 80/100 though
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875832#msg875832 date=1243365364]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875828#msg875828 date=1243365222]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875826#msg875826 date=1243365111]
we are going to be hard pressed to beat manu and chelsea home and away again.
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why?
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home and away wins against manu and chelsea are a gimme?
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Of course not but your post implied we couldn't do it next time because we'd done it this time.
 
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875821#msg875821 date=1243364855]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875820#msg875820 date=1243364646]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875815#msg875815 date=1243364409]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875812#msg875812 date=1243364210]
I'm giving Rafa 80 out of 100 this season.

-5 For too many draws
-5 For signing Dossena
-5 For not winning a trophy
-5 For allowing Parry to sign Keane



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Given that too many draws cost us the league, I find it odd that you're docking him as many marks for that as for signing Dossena (which was admittedly a truly dreadful decision).
[/quote]

Thats because I'm splitting the blame for the draws between Rafa and the players.
[/quote]

One player actually. A player who only played a handful of games for us. He's shite, I'll give you that, but so is your scoring system.
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No thats wrong, I'm docking 5 points for the signing of Dossena. All of our players that took part in those draws would be along with Rafa held accountable.

My scoring system is very accurate IMO.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33774.msg875840#msg875840 date=1243365659]

My scoring system is very accurate IMO.


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You need say no more.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875832#msg875832 date=1243365364]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875828#msg875828 date=1243365222]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875826#msg875826 date=1243365111]
we are going to be hard pressed to beat manu and chelsea home and away again.
[/quote]

why?
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home and away wins against manu and chelsea are a gimme?
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Of course not but your post implied we couldn't do it next time because we'd done it this time.
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I meant its unlikely by that I mean chelsea AND manu, home AND away.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875842#msg875842 date=1243365756]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875837#msg875837 date=1243365591]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875832#msg875832 date=1243365364]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33774.msg875828#msg875828 date=1243365222]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33774.msg875826#msg875826 date=1243365111]
we are going to be hard pressed to beat manu and chelsea home and away again.
[/quote]

why?
[/quote]

home and away wins against manu and chelsea are a gimme?
[/quote]

Of course not but your post implied we couldn't do it next time because we'd done it this time.
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I meant its unlikely by that I mean chelsea AND manu, home AND away.
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I gather it's not impossible though.
 
At the beginning of the season I asked for nothing more than a genuine title challenge which brought us closer to the eventual winners than before. Whilst I'm disappointed that we came so close and but for turning a couple of draws into wins we'd have been crowned Champions, I think we've made great strides this season (although how we've done that given the summer's signings didn't seem to improve the squad). I'd give Rafa 8/10. Roll on next season.
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=33774.msg875846#msg875846 date=1243365932]
See, strange ain't it.

Rafa4PM - 80/100
Sheik - 8/10

Who'da thunk it
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Sheiky copies me.
 
Actually, I'd have given about the same - dodgy dealings in the transfer market aside, and those frustrating draws that made so much difference, Rafa has pretty much delivered what most people said they'd be happy with.

I'm more surprised that you marked him so low than Sheik marked him so high
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=33774.msg875848#msg875848 date=1243366276]
Actually, I'd have given about the same - dodgy dealings in the transfer market aside, and those frustrating draws that made so much difference, Rafa has pretty much delivered what most people said they'd be happy with.

I'm more surprised that you marked him so low than Sheik marked him so high
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When it comes to Rafa mate, I'm always fair and objective.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=33774.msg875813#msg875813 date=1243364243]
Our Highest EVER points total in the Prem..

Our best amount of Prem goals since 90-91

Our Best Goal diff (+50) in 21 years

Fortress Anfield is BACK! (First time undefeated at home since 87-88)

CLUB RECORD of 13 Away wins (done once before 104 Years ago)

43 points gained away from home NEW CLUB RECORD

Gained on Average 2.26 points per game OUR 2nd BEST in 94 Years of Top flight football

Scored at least 3 goals in 6 successive games for the FIRST TIME IN CLUBS HISTORY

(Boring Boring) Liverpool boast the highest goals per game average of any team in all four divisions in England.



But forget all that and mention the few bad points eh???



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Very impressive yet painful reading given we came second. If Lucas hadn't given away that fucking stupid penalty late on Vs Wigan and if Cahill hadn't been left unmarked late on Vs Everton then the Title would be ours. There's no getting away from it.
 
as far as im concerned as long as Benitez is qualifying for the CL relatively easily like he is then I could care less if we win the league or not, it would be nice but to expect/demand it is silly and unrealistic for example as spider says one loss at old trafford next season could kill the dream. can we do it? absolutely but the margins are thin at the top.

I'm happy with the current level of the team and all that matters is qualifying for the CL to keep the bandwagon rolling

therefore, I give him an A.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33774.msg875865#msg875865 date=1243367117]
as far as im concerned as long as Benitez is qualifying for the CL relatively easily like he is then I could care less if we win the league or not
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Fuck me. What a defeatist attitude.
 
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