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And others will simply use the stick that he provided us, himself.
The truth is somewhere in between, there's alot of hindsight bullshit going on, especially from those championing him as some kind of messiah. I think I summed it up in the first point, he's just put everything into that interview that fucking annoyed me about him, stubborn points about how great we were in Europe, forgetting that one of his biggest failures WAS his preoccupation with Europe, he valued it over the league and consistently struggled to crack the one thing that undermined his reign, an inability to open up lowly teams at home, and far too much tinkering and emphasis on keeping players fit for key stages of the season, dropping points in the process (and I don't just mean when he was victimised by the owners and only given a paltry £80m to then fund and form a thread bare, inadequate squad). That interview just more or less sums up how his reign ended, blinkered, losing the plot and stuck in the middle of the forest looking for a nice table.
Some of us have always been grateful for the job he did, no matter what. Some of us focused on the positives, rather than the negatives. Some of us would love him back, and never spoke ill of the man. And we were not in a minority. It wasn't hard to see he had us punching well above our weight until be brought in people like Masher and Torres.
I don't think it is fair to say that anyone who points out the failings in Benitez's management is 'ungrateful'. It is possible to appreciate what he achieved but also see what he did wrong.
He wasn't doing us a favour by lowering himself to manage us. He did very well out of it himself, and although he did well in some areas, there are things he could have done better.
Still think it was the right time for him to go. The mistakes we have made since are pretty irrelevant really. Sure, it could be argued that he might not have made them, but it is equally possible that he would have done.
He wasn't doing us a favour by lowering himself to manage us. He did very well out of it himself, and although he did well in some areas, there are things he could have done better.
Still think it was the right time for him to go. The mistakes we have made since are pretty irrelevant really. Sure, it could be argued that he might not have made them, but it is equally possible that he would have done.
Rafa was the best manager we have had since the King's first stint with us. What happened to him in later years was easily the build up of tension between himself and the owners of that time. I think he was constantly under pressure to sell players to buy, and he knew a good player or players he felt he could work with. If they did not work out then so be it - he is allowed those mistakes because most of the ones he bought were really good. He is correct in that he made us the top team in Europe and it was no fluke - you could say doing it once was a fluke but to do it twice in the space of 3 seasons makes him a great manager. As for not winning the league - in truth we did not have the strength in depth to win it over a whole season.
Those that argue about his spending - well lets just say he funded his own success by qualifying for the CL and left after the season he could not qualify, and as I remember it - it was a season full of key injuries. We should be happy that he is local - because I am telling you now that if BR fails with this new look/style LFC team and we are in the bottom three in mid January - the owners of this club will go running to his house to get him to rescue us. That is a dead certainty.
As for those that argue about the severence pay - what a load of ballshit !!! - you can still love the place you worked for and not feel guilty about taking what is rightfully due to you. For those that argue about the fact that he is already rich so why did he take that money ? - it comes down to the simple truth that nearly all people spend a high proportion of what they earn, and I am pretty certain that if he was not at constant odds with the owners and he felt he could compete properly, then he would rather stay here for the next 10 years and earn the salary he was getting rather than take that severence pay.
I say all of the above and give full backing to our current manager, but its nice to know that he could step in if sticks around - and believe me if he was given that £100M - we would have some great team by now.
Those that argue about his spending - well lets just say he funded his own success by qualifying for the CL and left after the season he could not qualify, and as I remember it - it was a season full of key injuries. We should be happy that he is local - because I am telling you now that if BR fails with this new look/style LFC team and we are in the bottom three in mid January - the owners of this club will go running to his house to get him to rescue us. That is a dead certainty.
As for those that argue about the severence pay - what a load of ballshit !!! - you can still love the place you worked for and not feel guilty about taking what is rightfully due to you. For those that argue about the fact that he is already rich so why did he take that money ? - it comes down to the simple truth that nearly all people spend a high proportion of what they earn, and I am pretty certain that if he was not at constant odds with the owners and he felt he could compete properly, then he would rather stay here for the next 10 years and earn the salary he was getting rather than take that severence pay.
I say all of the above and give full backing to our current manager, but its nice to know that he could step in if sticks around - and believe me if he was given that £100M - we would have some great team by now.
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Being better than Souness, Evans and Hodgson is not much of an achievement and some would argue (and have argued) that there wasn't a great deal between Benitez and Houllier
In your opinion. We don't know what he would have been like with good owners do we? He must have been horribly unlucky though, as he appears to have had really horrible owners who were really nasty to him throughout his entire career.
Some were really good. Some were dreadful. And 'moving your mistakes on quickly' starts off as a good trait but quickly goes from that to 'makes lots of mistakes, year after year', which is a less good trait
Yes it would, but he didn't, did he?
Doubt it.
Yeah I kinda agree with parts of this. I suspect that Benitez probably buys lots and lots of stuff every year and then gradually realises its shit (after using it for ways it was not really intended) and then buys loads more stuff the following year to replace it.
He most probably buys a lot of cheapish stuff from abroad as well, but rarely gets rid of that. He just lends it to his mates and never asks for it back.
Difficult to totally believe you, given that you are not basing that on very much
Jovetic ... Man oh man ...
And of course, although there's no evidence, or even suggestion, to the contrary, Ross will claim 'I did not want to leave' 'disappointed' quotes as complete lies.
Probably shouldn't have bought aqua then
What ever gave you that idea?
The Alonso 'anecdote': what was the point? That's the kind of thing that exasperates me these days about Rafa: he assumes the moral high ground by claiming he can't divulge a private conversation, yet still invites people to assume that something bad was said by the other party. It's like making a moral judgement by a Rorschach Test.
Got to say that isn't how I see it in this instance. All Rafa himself says is that Alonso had made clear to him before the game that he was unsettled. The "rebelling" bit is the hack's gloss on it, and a tendentious one at that.
1) injured player who was never a world beater for 17m,who wasn't a like for like replacement for the player we were losing. Alarm bells?
2) Jovetic was a young player who was generating a lot of deserved hype
3) Italians rarely do well here
4) his eyes were daft
5) bit of a fascist
Should have bought someone else then Keane then. Maybe Jovetic?
I love Rafa for everything he's done for the club, but the money bit does my head in. He spent countless of amounts on average players and freebies, and in the end the squad was in a much worse state than in the previous years.
He got it terribly wrong the last couple of transfer windows and thats just the way it is.
I love Rafa for everything he's done for the club, but the money bit does my head in. He spent countless of amounts on average players and freebies, and in the end the squad was in a much worse state than in the previous years.
He got it terribly wrong the last couple of transfer windows and thats just the way it is.
Let's take this to the cookbook thread shall we?
Pah! to your reasons.
He failed because some twat made a banner with him dressed like Russell Crowe in Gladiator with the tag line "A Hero Will Rise".
He was doomed from that second.
I think the fucker was too embarrassed to play for us of his mates gave him too much of a ribbing every time the banner came out.
I think Jose Mourinho & Alex Ferguson probably made the banner to destabilize Rafa as he was becoming a threat.
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