Yes that annoys me too.
Pre Match - Leicester (A) - 28th 20:00
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Yes that annoys me too.
Hmmm I'm going to take issue with this. If you don't cover Lookman and don't force him to do something else, then all he has to do is shoot.
However if VvD was to leave Vardy then Tsimikas was right there to cover behind him, that would have left a player over behind him but Lookman would have had to get the ball to him (bypassing VvD, Tsimikas and Vardy), not an easy job at all, many potential variables. VvD should have covered the immediate danger (Lookman) and shouldn't have left 15m between him and Matip in the first place ... you could have driven a bus through that gap, which Lookman did.
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I wasn't having a pop because you were calling it as it is, I was having a pop because you were blaming him for everything throughout match threads, case in point being when Keita shit out of a challenge that led to a goal, and you posted "fucking Mane".
Everyone can see he's not what he was, but he also has good games left him in too. As I've said before, you sway from both extremes, either making bold predictions about personal favourites that NEVER come off (cf Firmino is a 20 goals a season striker) or laying into Mane when it's not even him who was anywhere near the ball.
So "call it what it is" all you want, it's mostly fucking difficult to take it seriously when you labour the same bias in games when that player hasn't been the problem.
And really, did you just say "lack of technical skills" when talking about Mane? Has he suddenly lost his technical skills now? He might make stupid decisions and his shooting might not be what it was, but "lack of technical skills"??? Sums up the whole fucking FIFA handbook jargon filled bullshit right there.
CBA to get into full analysis now but i've been saying for months now that Hendo has spent too much time trying to imitate Elliot by playing too far forward on the right. Last night we got punished for this shortcoming by the gap left behind Trent that led to the goal. Hendo is not an AM and we are worse when he tries to be that player when there are not two other 'system' CMs on the pitch (i.e. we can largely support it if Thiago is there with Fabs).
There is a long way to go this season, but the last two league games were huge fuck ups in mentality and composure.
There is a long way to go this season, but the last two league games were huge fuck ups in mentality and composure.
When youre listing Oxs best attribute as his ability to stay fit you have lost the argument.
It just happened to be Wijnaldum’s best attribute too.
They’re all just varying degrees of shitness who shouldn’t be here.
Agreed. Ideally you have Henderson or Thiago sitting with Fabinho, with a natural attacking AM leading the triangle. This is where we need Elliot back, or we need to invest.
Ideally we need an attacking midfielder and a top quality wide attacker, but there's a long way to go until the Summer. Ox was invisible last night and Keita was just awful when he came on. Both are starting to irritate the fuck out of me, because you just know they are only capable of one decent game out of a handful, and that's when they're not out with knocks.
This feels like grading on a curve, it's not Allison's fault he forgot to do the obvious thing and protect his near post, it's VvDs fault he couldn't effectively cover 2 players at the same time.
FWIW I think it's clear VvD is not (at least yet) the player he was, his aura of invincibility is gone. But he can't cover 2 players and block both sides of the goal. Anytime a keeper gets done near post he has questions to answer, Allison gets done on his near post an awful lot. I think because he's trying some reverse psychology shite and it backfires but if you watch the goals we concede he's beaten on his near post an awful lot.
Wijnaldum on his shittiest day was less shit than Ox is atm.
Agreed.
I'd still portion alot of the blame to VVD, though you're right about Allison and the near post. VVD made the decision to come across, so what was the half arsed block about with his body turned away? He just needed to block the relatively small gap. If Lookman puts it across goal then so be it, that's the eventuality that Allison should be ready for, if VVD is blocking the shot to the near post it minimises the danger, he didn't and he scored. You could argue that Allison was expecting VVD to cut it out, so the near post shot caught him by surprise.
I knew that would rattle your cage. So do I have to rip that post apart strand by strand? OK if you insist.
Everything ? Haha well let's not be hyperbolic Mark, isn't that a tad hypocritical of you?
Since I almost only ever post at HT (and even then only sometimes ... and most usually one post) and at the end of matches, then that statement is a pitiful and desperate statement to make it seem like I'm frantically slating him throughout matches. I don't. Happy to put that gross over exaggeration to bed. Next ...
Do you only have one eye? Or maybe walk around with your hand over one? What a dumb statement to make. Here's a challenge for you - go back over my Mane comments over the whole season (which you clearly seem to believe you remember in detail) and see how many positive comments I've made (you know, those you conveniently forget as they would dent, nay destroy, your argument). Next ...
You are damn right I did. His ball control ranges from the sublime to the ridiculous (as I've said a million times). We all know he's capable of moments of sheer brilliance, it's what made Mane Mane, but the number of times in a game he loses close control, kicks it too far ahead, fails to control a bouncing ball, passes it wildly to no-one ... or to the opposition, etc. is far in excess of that of technically superior players, of which we have more than a few to compare him to.
Everyone fucks up, everyone has a bad game, not everyone seems to do this in most games of the past 1.5 - 2 seasons, costing us possession over and over. And you think 'technical skills' is just jargon ? WTAF.
Oh and if that wasn't enough for you, here's the closer : I was right, he's been shite in far too many games for near on two seasons now, a sentiment that most of the forum (or at least those posting in the 'Mane' or match threads) clearly agrees with.
But that isn't your gripe is it? Your gripe is that I call him out whenever he has a crap game (no-one else mind, even though there are now more than a few, just me). And that really really gets up your nose.
Hey I get it, you think I unfairly castigate the poor lad and want him gone (which has never actually been the case, even now it hasn't even got to the stage where I'd sell him) but that's simply because he's indisputably a favourite of yours, to be protected in forum battles to the bitter end, not by presenting an alternative case mind but by just attacking the perpetrator of such clearly uncivil & inhumane abuse.
Keeper's are beaten, by power, at the near post all the time. However the point I was making was that there wouldn't have been a shot to save had VvD covered across and closed down that avenue, so Lookman would have had to either recycle to a player around him or try a pass across the pitch to the player beyond Vardy (Vardy looked like he could be covered by Tsimikas if VvD did move across), not a pass that is likely to have a high degree of success.
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I don't think there's too much to analyse from this game if I'm honest, it was one of those days where we just couldn't finish the game, reminiscent of the pre 'mentality monsters' days. Despite being well below par, we were much better than Leicester who to be honest just defended for their lives, very deep and compact, and fair play to them they did it reasonably well, but they really didn't offer anything going forward, and we spurned multiple chances to win the game. When you spurn your chances this always happens, defenders switch off in a moment, and a sub who came on to the pitch wanting to win the game made the difference. I don't fault Alisson for the goal, the shot came like shit off the shovel, Virgil should have blocked the near post shot though.
Its a frustrating game, a game we haven't had to experience much recently as Liverpool fans, but one we're all too familiar from the past. Only real take away is that our midfield has real creativity issues when Thiagos out, and that Ox is a fair weather midfielder at best, he can't excel when his partners have poor games, and he can't even attempt to elevate the teams performance on his own.
Its a frustrating game, a game we haven't had to experience much recently as Liverpool fans, but one we're all too familiar from the past. Only real take away is that our midfield has real creativity issues when Thiagos out, and that Ox is a fair weather midfielder at best, he can't excel when his partners have poor games, and he can't even attempt to elevate the teams performance on his own.
Have to agree with you. It is not the same player per-covid...
And what is even more concerning is the front two, Depending who's on the pitch with him, are going out of their way to attempt slot him in and when it happens he squanders his chances
Love Mane but we need to look for a full time replacement sooner than later
We did not play that bad. just lack some one to step up and take the game by the neck, one good player.
Unfortunately that player was Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall.
Milner/Henderson re-placement?
Unfortunately that player was Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall.
Milner/Henderson re-placement?
I’m sorry... what??????
He is right to an extent, the result masked over a performance that wasn't THAT bad.
We had ample opportunities to go in front, end up conceding to the only shot on our goal then you can say we ran out of ideas to get through a 10 man wall but sometimes you just have to credit the oppositions set up rather than always blame our performances.
And their lad Dewsbury Hall was probably the best player on the pitch, good young kid who's got a decent future ahead of him.
He’s 23.
Thiago out? What a surprise. The useless fucker.
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