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Had to look it up, you're right. Hasn't got much to with injuries.
We scored 2. Sunderland scored 1. We won.
Very verbose.
You did say "quick"
Actually, verbose means using too many words. I reckon you didn't need the "We won" bit.
*smart alec, doc mac stylee*
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there was a time in the not too distant past where we would have ended up drawing that so it's another sign of progress .
There is no point in harking on about the defensive side of this team until the summer , i doubt it will improve much before. I know Rodgers plays it down but surely he'd be mad not to try and improve it then , conceding goals makes things difficult .
So anyway the things to analyse from this game are more for the long term . In the short this was a great result towards our season's goals and maybe more , especially considering the time of the season .
There is no point in harking on about the defensive side of this team until the summer , i doubt it will improve much before. I know Rodgers plays it down but surely he'd be mad not to try and improve it then , conceding goals makes things difficult .
So anyway the things to analyse from this game are more for the long term . In the short this was a great result towards our season's goals and maybe more , especially considering the time of the season .
Shocked with some of the comments here.
We played against a team battling against the drop who have shown plenty of times this season they can give the best teams a good game.
They also played the most defensive style in the first half I've seen all season at Anfield.
It was like 7-1-2 until half time. Without a real winger on either flank it was always going to tough to break down a team playing so deep and with so many bodies in there.
But I thought we probed very well, kept our cool and didn't panic.
If our shooting was a bit better we could have been ahead earlier.
We totally dominated the 1st half, should have been against 10 men twice.
2nd half we started very well got our goal and should have had a pen straight after. We missed a lot of chances and hit the bar.
Last 20 15 was poor as we got nervous as fuck but that's understandable.
With 14 left we couldn't of dreams we'd win 7 on the bounce and win the way we have yet here we are.
And if we so go to make it 14/14 it won't be with 7 amazing wins as you just can't do that every week. There will be a few games where we aren't at 100% and that's ok as long as get 3 points which we have.
Spurs won't park the bus and we will be more up for it as you would expect and the city Chelsea games will be completely different so saying stuff like we won't beat them based in this performance is silly talk.
We won AGAIN.
We weren't lucky.
We had a cunt of a ref.
We did it without Suarez needing to score.
We are 1 point off top with 7 games to go!!
I'm over the fucking moon!
Come on!
We played against a team battling against the drop who have shown plenty of times this season they can give the best teams a good game.
They also played the most defensive style in the first half I've seen all season at Anfield.
It was like 7-1-2 until half time. Without a real winger on either flank it was always going to tough to break down a team playing so deep and with so many bodies in there.
But I thought we probed very well, kept our cool and didn't panic.
If our shooting was a bit better we could have been ahead earlier.
We totally dominated the 1st half, should have been against 10 men twice.
2nd half we started very well got our goal and should have had a pen straight after. We missed a lot of chances and hit the bar.
Last 20 15 was poor as we got nervous as fuck but that's understandable.
With 14 left we couldn't of dreams we'd win 7 on the bounce and win the way we have yet here we are.
And if we so go to make it 14/14 it won't be with 7 amazing wins as you just can't do that every week. There will be a few games where we aren't at 100% and that's ok as long as get 3 points which we have.
Spurs won't park the bus and we will be more up for it as you would expect and the city Chelsea games will be completely different so saying stuff like we won't beat them based in this performance is silly talk.
We won AGAIN.
We weren't lucky.
We had a cunt of a ref.
We did it without Suarez needing to score.
We are 1 point off top with 7 games to go!!
I'm over the fucking moon!
Come on!
Days like this..
I get out of my bed, bleary-eyed, PANIC, scramble to my phone.
Breathe... and remind myself that we'll be in CL anyway.
Check the score. See that we've narrowly won.
Look at the table.
Look at the score again.
Look at the table one last time.
--> Fist Pump to the office.
Works for me.
I get out of my bed, bleary-eyed, PANIC, scramble to my phone.
Breathe... and remind myself that we'll be in CL anyway.
Check the score. See that we've narrowly won.
Look at the table.
Look at the score again.
Look at the table one last time.
--> Fist Pump to the office.
Works for me.
After we scored our second, we looked like we'd go on to smash them apart as they were clearly rattled and seemed at two minds on whether to abandon their defensive game and come out for a goal, or to defend as they'd done and keep the score down. That period of time lasted maybe 10 to 15 minutes or so and there was no doubt in my mind it was going to be a cricket score again.
Altidore going down with a "head injury" in our box that required treatment took the momentum out of our game while Sunderland bought some time to reorganize - we immediately appeared slower right after the break in action. Poyet's subs then came on to great effect.
We need to stay calm after conceding though. Second time in a row we've looked nervy after letting in a goal. There really isn't a good reason for that. We only managed to slow the game down again in the last 5 minutes of this game. We can and have to do better, because against Chelsea or City, that sense of fear is more likely to get punished.
Now go smash those Spurs with their centre line-high defence. Hat-tricks for Suarez and Sturridge in the same game will do nicely.
Altidore going down with a "head injury" in our box that required treatment took the momentum out of our game while Sunderland bought some time to reorganize - we immediately appeared slower right after the break in action. Poyet's subs then came on to great effect.
We need to stay calm after conceding though. Second time in a row we've looked nervy after letting in a goal. There really isn't a good reason for that. We only managed to slow the game down again in the last 5 minutes of this game. We can and have to do better, because against Chelsea or City, that sense of fear is more likely to get punished.
Now go smash those Spurs with their centre line-high defence. Hat-tricks for Suarez and Sturridge in the same game will do nicely.
He needs to have more games like that; been inconsistent this season. With his talent and the strikers we have, there's no reason he shouldn't be getting more assists and/or goals. Hopefully, next season's going to be his break-out season.
For Modo:
Before we battered Arsenal 5-1, we were held to a 1-1 draw by WBA.
Before we battered Everton 4-0, we stuttered past a lowly Bournemouth in the cup, and prior to that drew 2-2 against a poor Villa side.
It happens, different games pan out differently. That's why we stumbled past some lowly sides and stuffed some of the bigger sides. Different games, fatigue, playing against different systems and teams in completely different predicaments.
Before we battered Arsenal 5-1, we were held to a 1-1 draw by WBA.
Before we battered Everton 4-0, we stuttered past a lowly Bournemouth in the cup, and prior to that drew 2-2 against a poor Villa side.
It happens, different games pan out differently. That's why we stumbled past some lowly sides and stuffed some of the bigger sides. Different games, fatigue, playing against different systems and teams in completely different predicaments.
Spill over from the Magic thread, but something about that game worried me. The way Sunderland lined up really nullified our fullbacks attacking potential, and as a result we really struggled to penetrate the back line, after all we scored from a free kick and a deflected long shot. I worry that other teams might pick up on it, because nullify our full backs and we lose a lot of our attacking swagger and at the same time we're exposed at the back, other teams like Chelsea will be able to do that and hit us hard on the return. Maybe that's a draw back of this diamond system though, our fullbacks providing width are vital.
That's not me being negative btw, last nights victory was huge. If we can beat Spurs on Sunday, we'll either be in pole position for the title, or 8 points clear of 4th place, that's massive.
That's not me being negative btw, last nights victory was huge. If we can beat Spurs on Sunday, we'll either be in pole position for the title, or 8 points clear of 4th place, that's massive.
Not at all. Quite the opposite in fact.
Sunderland dropped 8 deep into a compact unit on the edge of the box. The only attacking thrust we got at all was out of the full-backs.
They mightn't have been great, but they were the only ones getting space going forward.
I don't think they "parked the bus" as some on here have said. They pressed brilliantly in the first half, Wickham, Altidore and Giacherini were pushing up as a front 3 and giving us no time on the ball. That's why we struggled.
Johnson's new contract should state that red arrows are bad while blue and cyan ones are good:
Indeed. At the pointy end of the season ALL that matters is the points. We certainly did not play as well as we have recently but on the whole we were comfortable at least until the last 10 minutes. After a week of wildly talking up our chances of the league it was a perfect opportunity for us to slip up and we didn't...
We seemed too cocky and wasteful and our shooting was off. Sunderland to their credit played us to a tee, kept it compact didn't panic men behind the ball and allowed us to have all the "pressure".
You can't complain when the pressure you face is due to your own excellence and therefore expectancy. It's part of the deal to challenge.... you might just win it so it really fucking matters...
Personally I'm happy to take it one game at a time I suspect that the league is probably beyond us and although I will be disappointed if we don't win it at the same time barring utter disaster totally out of keeping with our play and our season so far we will finish in the CL. Looking at City I suspect we will probably have to win every single game we have left.... not impossible but certainly not likely... I take yesterdays game as a very welcome 3 points and as a timely reminder that we've got to remain clinical.
Its been a wonderful season.... 15 nervy minutes against a team fighting for their lives doesn't change that.
Keep expecting victories and then keep delivering them.... it will be stressful.... its the only way.... nobody will hand us the title we will have to fight for it.
In isolation just looking at the match and not the bigger picture we defended really well yesterday and if we had not be quite as lackadaisical up front we would have won comfortably without the need for jitters at the end.
Im happy we won.
End of.
Don't ever post, but here goes:
I'm surprised not more is being made of this formation we're playing, this 4-3-1-2 / 4-1-2-1-2, diamond, whatever you want to call it. I'm hoping its not a long term thing, and just something Rodgers thinks will get us through the next few games. I've always seen it as a bit of a flawed formation.
Firstly, your full backs are horribly exposed, so your two shuttling midfielders Hendo and Allen have extra work on their hands because not only do they need to support the front 3, they have to also be in position to support the full back when the ball is on that side of the pitch. There was one moment last night when Sunderland were running at us, and you saw this narrow bank of 3 in front of the back 4. Decent sides with decent wide players and a shrewed enough manager (Chelsea) would horribly expose the system. Going forward, you rely on your full backs for width, so they too have to work harder. And lets face it, our full backs arent Cafu and Maldini at the moment. WHat you often find with this system is that there's no easy outball to the wings and its easier to get pegged in - as we saw last night with some heart in mouth moments with the centre backs and Ming.
Secondly, proper pressing includes pressing the oppostion full backs so that opposition can't build attacks easily - this system gives opposition full backs a much easier ride.
I know Brendan's trying to maximise our two best assets at the moment, but it just doesnt feel right to me.
Long term, it's got to be 4-3-3 with Suarez wide left, or 4-2-3-1 with a monster DM next to Stevie, and Suarez at number 10, who drifts deeper when we don't have the ball. He works his balls off anyway, so we wouldn't lose that much from midfield.
I'm surprised not more is being made of this formation we're playing, this 4-3-1-2 / 4-1-2-1-2, diamond, whatever you want to call it. I'm hoping its not a long term thing, and just something Rodgers thinks will get us through the next few games. I've always seen it as a bit of a flawed formation.
Firstly, your full backs are horribly exposed, so your two shuttling midfielders Hendo and Allen have extra work on their hands because not only do they need to support the front 3, they have to also be in position to support the full back when the ball is on that side of the pitch. There was one moment last night when Sunderland were running at us, and you saw this narrow bank of 3 in front of the back 4. Decent sides with decent wide players and a shrewed enough manager (Chelsea) would horribly expose the system. Going forward, you rely on your full backs for width, so they too have to work harder. And lets face it, our full backs arent Cafu and Maldini at the moment. WHat you often find with this system is that there's no easy outball to the wings and its easier to get pegged in - as we saw last night with some heart in mouth moments with the centre backs and Ming.
Secondly, proper pressing includes pressing the oppostion full backs so that opposition can't build attacks easily - this system gives opposition full backs a much easier ride.
I know Brendan's trying to maximise our two best assets at the moment, but it just doesnt feel right to me.
Long term, it's got to be 4-3-3 with Suarez wide left, or 4-2-3-1 with a monster DM next to Stevie, and Suarez at number 10, who drifts deeper when we don't have the ball. He works his balls off anyway, so we wouldn't lose that much from midfield.
Just glad Gerrard didn't pick up a booking yesterday. Played well in the first half, but I thought the concern about picking up a yellow probably limited him in the period in the second half when we were under pressure.
He'll be salivating at the prospect of sending searching diagonals or long passes behind Spurs' high defensive line this weekend for Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge to latch onto.
He'll be salivating at the prospect of sending searching diagonals or long passes behind Spurs' high defensive line this weekend for Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge to latch onto.
But there was so little space compared to usual because their fullback rarely ventured forward. In our attacking play the fullbacks are oftenone of our main attacking outlets, there was so little space yesterday (albeit some) compared to most games that we really struggled for ideas, for example, I don't remember our fullbacks getting in and behind them once last night, in most games our fullbacks always do. I saw that more down to great defending by Sunderland than poor play for our full backs though. I just worry if Chelsea put in a defensive performance as good as Sunderland did (which they're more than capable of) then we'll get turned over by them.
Indeed, that was some great banter! Nice to see.
Said the same during the first half against Southampton, and against Cardiff as well. It works well when Henderson and Allen are having a stormer, both ruling the middle and the sides, but if they're off their game, the fullback positions become our soft underbelly. I personally don't like the diamond and I also think going 4-1-2-3 offers us more balance, or at least, fewer vulnerabilities.
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