Post Match Ludo-regrets

[Ryan]

Rodgers spent 120M 3 months ago to "have players who can walk into the side and improve us". Here's the outfield side he put out tonight to try and win the game:

FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED----FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED

-------------------PLAYER HE BOUGHT 2.5 YEARS AGO-------PLAYER HE INHERITED---------------

-----PLAYER HE INHERITED----------PLAYER HE INHERITED--------PLAYER HE INHERITED-----

-------------------------------------4 MILLION POUND 32 YEAR OLD STRIKER--------------------------------

This manager has bought fucking horribly. It's not a small thing. He spent over 100M a few months ago and doesn't rate any of them good enough to play in a must win champions league tie.

2.5 years of buying badly, and 2.5 years of defensive disorganisation. Everyone knew we'd concede a second. It wasn't a worry, or a concern, it was a fucking certainty. As sure as night follows fucking day it was. And they did. It doesn't matter who the opposition are, they'll score against us. And Rodgers can't stop it. Every team, every week, every year, every competition - Rodgers can't stop it. He's an appalling appalling defensive coach. He isn't one in fact. He's a futsal coach to be honest. They care about pressing, and neat interplay and don't give a fuck about defending. That's our Rodgers. And he has the temerity to come out and claim that the "result is irrlevent. We were outstanding."

Get fucked. That's treating educated, loyal supporters with outright disrespect.

He has shown a continued inability to organise this team to defend. It's like he thinks it's beneath him.

4 Point from 5 Champions League games, and a goal difference of -4 against fucking laughable opposition. This job is slowly becoming beneath you Rodgers.

 

[Ryan]

How about that miss by Sterling one on one?
Would have been a different story had that one gone in.

Sterling was the ONLY creative player on the ground for us. I'm prepared to cut him some slack.

 

[Modo]

Sterling was the ONLY creative player on the ground for us. I'm prepared to cut him some slack.

Yeah.

 

[Modo]

Rodgers spent 120M 3 months ago to "have players who can walk into the side and improve us". Here's the outfield side he put out tonight to try and win the game:

FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED----FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED

-------------------PLAYER HE BOUGHT 2.5 YEARS AGO-------PLAYER HE INHERITED---------------

-----PLAYER HE INHERITED----------PLAYER HE INHERITED--------PLAYER HE INHERITED-----

-------------------------------------4 MILLION POUND 32 YEAR OLD STRIKER--------------------------------

This manager has bought fucking horribly. It's not a small thing. He spent over 100M a few months ago and doesn't rate any of them good enough to play in a must win champions league tie.

2.5 years of buying badly, and 2.5 years of defensive disorganisation. Everyone knew we'd concede a second. It wasn't a worry, or a concern, it was a fucking certainty. As sure as night follows fucking day it was. And they did. It doesn't matter who the opposition are, they'll score against us. And Rodgers can't stop it. Every team, every week, every year, every competition - Rodgers can't stop it. He's an appalling appalling defensive coach. He isn't one in fact. He's a futsal coach to be honest. They care about pressing, and neat interplay and don't give a fuck about defending. That's our Rodgers. And he has the temerity to come out and claim that the "result is irrlevent. We were outstanding."

Get fucked. That's treating educated, loyal supporters with outright disrespect.

He has shown a continued inability to organise this team to defend. It's like he thinks it's beneath him.

4 Point from 5 Champions League games, and a goal difference of -4 against fucking laughable opposition. This job is slowly becoming beneath you Rodgers.

This is why I think his time is up.

 

[Modo]

Let's be honest - there were only two players who could have played that ball for the second goal. Fortunately one of them had the ball.

He missed a one on one - same as Suarez, Gerrard, Rush, Aldridge, Torres and Owen have all done. Otherwise he gave them a torrid time, set up our equaliser and generally looked our most dangerous attacker.

If he'd got it the result would have been different but he's still 19 and was the reason we were in front - very unfair to hang the draw on him.

I'm just throwing it out there. If there's one player I've got patience with its Sterling, but Rodgers is clearly over-using him.
He should have been subbed 10 mins before that chance. He looked knackered.
Coutinho and Borini and Lallana should have come on.
What does he do?
He brings on Moreno.

 

[gkmacca]

Football's such an easy game, even 10 year olds in school know how to pick a team out of their classmates that would be good.

You clearly didn't go to my school.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Rodgers spent 120M 3 months ago to "have players who can walk into the side and improve us". Here's the outfield side he put out tonight to try and win the game:

FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED----FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED

-------------------PLAYER HE BOUGHT 2.5 YEARS AGO-------PLAYER HE INHERITED---------------

-----PLAYER HE INHERITED----------PLAYER HE INHERITED--------PLAYER HE INHERITED-----

-------------------------------------4 MILLION POUND 32 YEAR OLD STRIKER--------------------------------

This manager has bought fucking horribly. It's not a small thing. He spent over 100M a few months ago and doesn't rate any of them good enough to play in a must win champions league tie.

2.5 years of buying badly, and 2.5 years of defensive disorganisation. Everyone knew we'd concede a second. It wasn't a worry, or a concern, it was a fucking certainty. As sure as night follows fucking day it was. And they did. It doesn't matter who the opposition are, they'll score against us. And Rodgers can't stop it. Every team, every week, every year, every competition - Rodgers can't stop it. He's an appalling appalling defensive coach. He isn't one in fact. He's a futsal coach to be honest. They care about pressing, and neat interplay and don't give a fuck about defending. That's our Rodgers. And he has the temerity to come out and claim that the "result is irrlevent. We were outstanding."

Get fucked. That's treating educated, loyal supporters with outright disrespect.

He has shown a continued inability to organise this team to defend. It's like he thinks it's beneath him.

4 Point from 5 Champions League games, and a goal difference of -4 against fucking laughable opposition. This job is slowly becoming beneath you Rodgers.

It's been beneath him for a while..

I am sick to death of watching the same old predictable Liverpool..

But Yeh it is sickening that the players we relied upon tonight where non of these quality signings we where supposed to have signed to strengthen the squad.

Its sickening after all that money spent we have no options what-so-ever

 

[KopRed]

The appearance of Lucas and Toure showed his failure in addressing the squad depth and the defence. I remembered back in July many were happy to see the back of Lucas and Toure. Now it's the opposite.

 

[Modo]

The appearance of Lucas and Toure showed his failure in addressing the squad depth and the defence. I remembered back in July many were happy to see the back of Lucas and Toure. Now it's the opposite.

Same goes with Agger and Reina.
As it stands we let go of our best defender, our best keeper and we tried getting rid of our best defensive midfielder.
Rodgers got it wrong.
I don't think the players he bought were terrible, not Can, Lovren, Moreno and even Lallana but clearly they need some coaching.

Imagine if we spent all that cash and got Sanchez and Cavani.

 

[Markeh]

Fucking hell is that what he said about that match!

 

[Markeh]

Same goes with Agger and Reina.
As it stands we let go of our best defender, our best keeper and we tried getting rid of our best defensive midfielder.
Rodgers got it wrong wrong, terrible wrong imo.
I don't think the players he bought were terrible, not Can, Lovren, Moreno and even Lallana but clearly they need some coaching.

Imagine if we spent all that cash and got Sanchez and Cavani.

That's some depressing stuff. Not sure it was even remotely possible though.

 

[Modo]

That's some depressing stuff. Not sure it was even remotely possible though.

yeah that was probably not gonna happen.

 

[localny]

Rodgers spent 120M 3 months ago to "have players who can walk into the side and improve us". Here's the outfield side he put out tonight to try and win the game:

FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED----FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED

-------------------PLAYER HE BOUGHT 2.5 YEARS AGO-------PLAYER HE INHERITED---------------

-----PLAYER HE INHERITED----------PLAYER HE INHERITED--------PLAYER HE INHERITED-----

-------------------------------------4 MILLION POUND 32 YEAR OLD STRIKER--------------------------------

This manager has bought fucking horribly. It's not a small thing. He spent over 100M a few months ago and doesn't rate any of them good enough to play in a must win champions league tie.

2.5 years of buying badly, and 2.5 years of defensive disorganisation. Everyone knew we'd concede a second. It wasn't a worry, or a concern, it was a fucking certainty. As sure as night follows fucking day it was. And they did. It doesn't matter who the opposition are, they'll score against us. And Rodgers can't stop it. Every team, every week, every year, every competition - Rodgers can't stop it. He's an appalling appalling defensive coach. He isn't one in fact. He's a futsal coach to be honest. They care about pressing, and neat interplay and don't give a fuck about defending. That's our Rodgers. And he has the temerity to come out and claim that the "result is irrlevent. We were outstanding."

Get fucked. That's treating educated, loyal supporters with outright disrespect.

He has shown a continued inability to organise this team to defend. It's like he thinks it's beneath him.

4 Point from 5 Champions League games, and a goal difference of -4 against fucking laughable opposition. This job is slowly becoming beneath you Rodgers.

So whom should we have signed, because as far as I can see the top tier talents don't come to Liverpool, we get rough diamonds, unwanted Tiffany gems that shine here, but not elsewhere, if you're lucky, a player just before he blossoms, and young players that deliver occasionally. This is our situation, under whatever manager we have.

We don't sign dead certs. The Diego costa, Kun Aguero types go to the billionaires.

You know this. You posted in the transfer threads all summer. Who should he have signed. Please tell us.

 

[Ryan]

So whom should we have signed, because as far as I can see the top tier talents don't come to Liverpool, we get rough diamonds, unwanted Tiffany gems that shine here, but not elsewhere, if you're lucky, a player just before he blossoms, and young players that deliver occasionally. This is our situation, under whatever manager we have.

We don't sign dead certs. The Diego costa, Kun Aguero types go to the billionaires.

You know this. You posted in the transfer threads all summer. Who should he have signed. Please tell us.

“We don’t sign dead certs”

Why don’t we?

It’s got nothing to do with money because the “Kun Aguero, costa types” you referenced went for similar fees to what we’ve spent in the last 1-2 years. We had 100M pounds worth of signings sitting on the bench tonight in case you didn’t notice.

And I’m not a chief scout, so I’m not going to sit here and arbitrarily list players in some fantasy transfer reel because it’s subjective shite. But I can tell you that Rodgers hasn’t spent his money well, that’s not subjective, because as I’ve highlighted we’re 12th in the league, have 4 points from 5 Champions League games against mostly crap opposition, and he doesn’t trust his 100M+ acquisitions to start a must-win game. That’s the fucking evidence in front of us.

 

[Modo]

Ancelotti saying that Basel are better than us atm.

 

[Red Mullet]

Yay! We didn't lose.




Waves tiny flag of hope.

 

[Whirly]

Ancelotti saying that Basel are better than us atm.

He's not wrong.

 

[Whaddapie]

Same goes with Agger and Reina.
As it stands we let go of our best defender, our best keeper and we tried getting rid of our best defensive midfielder.
Rodgers got it wrong.
I don't think the players he bought were terrible, not Can, Lovren, Moreno and even Lallana but clearly they need some coaching.

Imagine if we spent all that cash and got Sanchez and Cavani.

Actually, nobody on the entire internet except you considers Agger "our best defender". He wasn't then and he isn't now, just because we're shite at the back. You speak of him like he's the 2nd coming of Jockey Hansen. He wasn't and he isn't. And your relentless banging on about him is so flippin' tiresome... If he was that good, why did none of the bog clubs want him when he left us? He's gone. Let it go, for the love of Christ...

Ditto Reina. At his best, he was the best in the league. Let's not pretend that because Ming's not worth a shite that we'd seen that Reina for the last 18-24 months of his time with us. It was time to look elsewhere, and our choosing the wrong replacement doesn't make the decision itself the wrong one, nor the keeper we let go the best player since Peter Schmichel.

The hyperbolic, revisionist bollocks we're forced to put up with here because this team is crap is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

P.S. We tried to get Sanchez. He wouldn't come here. But you already knew that...[/quote]

 

[Ryan]

Actually, nobody on the entire internet except you considers Agger "our best defender". He wasn't then and he isn't now, just because we're shite at the back. You speak of him like he's the 2nd coming of Jockey Hansen. He wasn't and he isn't. And your relentless banging on about him is so flippin' tiresome... If he was that good, why did none of the bog clubs want him when he left us? He's gone. Let it go, for the love of Christ...

Ditto Reina. At his best, he was the best in the league. Let's not pretend that because Ming's not worth a shite that we'd seen that Reina for the last 18-24 months of his time with us. It was time to look elsewhere, and our choosing the wrong replacement doesn't make the decision itself the wrong one, nor the keeper we let go the best player since Peter Schmichel.

The hyperbolic, revisionist bollocks we're forced to put up with here because this team is crap is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

P.S. We tried to get Sanchez. He wouldn't come here. But you already knew that...

[/quote]


Yep.

 

[jexykrodic]

I don't think you can regret last nights game, it was an away draw in Europe. The team we played were lively, had nothing to lose and we entered the game in poor form with all eyes watching so the pressure was on. The key fact now is that qualification comes down to a one on one with Basel at Anfield.

 

[mark1975]

I thought he overloaded the midfield last night with workers, he seemed to go entirely in the opposite direction, from under-protecting, to over-protecting. Lucas, Allen, Henderson and Gerrard. It was right to move Gerrard forward, but it would have been ideal to see Lallana or Coutinho, just so we had that extra player who could play on the break, the other four were too cumbersome and negative by comparison (not that they had particularly bad games though).

As for revisionist clap trap. Daniel Agger, who was heading to Barcelona or City for 5 years and ended up at Brondby. That RIGHT THERE.

Also Sanchez, why is it that he, his wife and our manager have all come out and stated his reasons for going to London, yet Whirly is still the only person on this planet, other than that other hapless prick, who thinks we fucked up and missed out.

.

 

[Holle]

@Liddellpool: Rodgers: "Wonderful character tonight. Disappointed in the goal at the end but it's irrelevant. We were outstanding."

I wish he'd shut up for a bit. Outstanding and wonderful, two words I would never use about tonights game.

He's caught a serious Hodgsonitis.

 

[Holle]

Rodgers spent 120M 3 months ago to "have players who can walk into the side and improve us". Here's the outfield side he put out tonight to try and win the game:

FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED----FREE TRANSFER----PLAYER HE INHERITED

-------------------PLAYER HE BOUGHT 2.5 YEARS AGO-------PLAYER HE INHERITED---------------

-----PLAYER HE INHERITED----------PLAYER HE INHERITED--------PLAYER HE INHERITED-----

-------------------------------------4 MILLION POUND 32 YEAR OLD STRIKER--------------------------------

This manager has bought fucking horribly. It's not a small thing. He spent over 100M a few months ago and doesn't rate any of them good enough to play in a must win champions league tie.

2.5 years of buying badly, and 2.5 years of defensive disorganisation. Everyone knew we'd concede a second. It wasn't a worry, or a concern, it was a fucking certainty. As sure as night follows fucking day it was. And they did. It doesn't matter who the opposition are, they'll score against us. And Rodgers can't stop it. Every team, every week, every year, every competition - Rodgers can't stop it. He's an appalling appalling defensive coach. He isn't one in fact. He's a futsal coach to be honest. They care about pressing, and neat interplay and don't give a fuck about defending. That's our Rodgers. And he has the temerity to come out and claim that the "result is irrlevent. We were outstanding."

Get fucked. That's treating educated, loyal supporters with outright disrespect.

He has shown a continued inability to organise this team to defend. It's like he thinks it's beneath him.

4 Point from 5 Champions League games, and a goal difference of -4 against fucking laughable opposition. This job is slowly becoming beneath you Rodgers.

I get the impression that he's so much up his own arse he doesn't even see the problem.

 

[jexykrodic]

I thought he overloaded the midfield last night with workers, he seemed to go entirely in the opposite direction, from under-protecting, to over-protecting. Lucas, Allen, Henderson and Gerrard. It was right to move Gerrard forward, but it would have been ideal to see Lallana or Coutinho, just so we had that extra player who could play on the break, the other four were too cumbersome and negative by comparison (not that they had particularly bad games though).

As for revisionist clap trap. Daniel Agger, who was heading to Barcelona or City for 5 years and ended up at Brondby. That RIGHT THERE.

Also Sanchez, why is it that he, his wife and our manager have all come out and stated his reasons for going to London, yet Whirly is still the only person on this planet, other than that other hapless prick, who thinks we fucked up and missed out.

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Frustration I think, there is certainly no evidence or rationale for using this stick to beat the club with. The only way we are to secure those types of players is to pay more than anyone else and I can't see our owners doing that.

Sanchez isn't the only player we've missed out on recently because of money. The only valid argument about the clubs business dealings is to say that they could have bought fewer players for higher fees but that wouldn't have addressed the need for a large squad in multiple competitions.

We have to do more with less and hope we turn up a Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho type for modest fees in comparison with the elite money clubs.

 

[Whirly]

Also Sanchez, why is it that he, his wife and our manager have all come out and stated his reasons for going to London, yet Whirly is still the only person on this planet, other than that other hapless prick, who thinks we fucked up and missed out.

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If I were in charge of a incompetent transfer committee and wanted a cheap reason to sell to investors for missing out on top targets to a competitor, that's the sort of excuse I'd come up with to save face.

I don't understand why this scenario seems so implausible to you. Good transfer committees do what they have to do to get top players. Our either didn't pursue Sanchez because they are incompetent, or didn't put enough effort into convincing him because they're incompetent.

There's a snowball effect as well with Arsenal now, where one top player will make the club more attractive to other top players. We're going to be at a further disadvantage competing for targets moving forward as a result...

 

[keniget]

I can understand why he started the team he did but we looked capable of finishing them off in the second half, we were just missing someone like Coutinho.

The players are not the only ones paralyzed by fear at the moment.

 

[keniget]

If I were in charge of a incompetent transfer committee and wanted a cheap reason to sell to investors for missing out on top targets to a competitor, that's the sort of excuse I'd come up with to save face.

I don't understand why this scenario seems so implausible to you. Good transfer committees do what they have to do to get top players. Our either didn't pursue Sanchez because they are incompetent, or didn't put enough effort into convincing him because they're incompetent.

There's a snowball effect as well with Arsenal now, where one top player will make the club more attractive to other top players. We're going to be at a further disadvantage competing for targets moving forward as a result...

I remember us having this conversation a couple months ago and I'm pretty sure you had to go "fair enough" at the end having realized what went on with Sanchez.

There is so many other things to talk about, why keep banging on about the one target that completely undermines your argument? It makes no sense.

 

[Wizardry]

If I were in charge of a incompetent transfer committee and wanted a cheap reason to sell to investors for missing out on top targets to a competitor, that's the sort of excuse I'd come up with to save face.

I don't understand why this scenario seems so implausible to you. Good transfer committees do what they have to do to get top players. Our either didn't pursue Sanchez because they are incompetent, or didn't put enough effort into convincing him because they're incompetent.

There's a snowball effect as well with Arsenal now, where one top player will make the club more attractive to other top players. We're going to be at a further disadvantage competing for targets moving forward as a result...

I don't understand why the clubs explanation seems implausible to you - it's not unusual.

If you get a top, top player (and Sanchez is one) then its just economics 101. Many clubs want him - there's only one of him. High demand but low supply - he's in the ultimate bargaining position.

He simply sits back and takes his pick. It certainly doesn't come down to money and I hardly think the weather or the city is something you can use to beat the transfer committee with.

The best players in the world call their own shots. It's the players down a level or seeking a specific football style that are our targets. Or where they have some special affinity with the club - which is why Odegaard seems such a miss.

 

[Best Believe It]

I don't understand why the clubs explanation seems implausible to you - it's not unusual.

If you get a top, top player (and Sanchez is one) then its just economics 101. Many clubs want him - there's only one of him. High demand but low supply - he's in the ultimate bargaining position.

He simply sits back and takes his pick. It certainly doesn't come down to money and I hardly think the weather or the city is something you can use to beat the transfer committee with.

The best players in the world call their own shots. It's the players down a level or seeking a specific football style that are our targets. Or where they have some special affinity with the club - which is why Odegaard seems such a miss.

I wouldn't be surprised if Suarez's departure put Sanchez off.

 

[ChastenedMUFC]

So whom should we have signed, because as far as I can see the top tier talents don't come to Liverpool, we get rough diamonds, unwanted Tiffany gems that shine here, but not elsewhere, if you're lucky, a player just before he blossoms, and young players that deliver occasionally. This is our situation, under whatever manager we have.

We don't sign dead certs. The Diego costa, Kun Aguero types go to the billionaires.

You know this. You posted in the transfer threads all summer. Who should he have signed. Please tell us.

If you pay up they wold have come.

Rather than 3 players on £70k per week you could have gone for a £250k week player.

I have no doubt despite what Sanchez said if you had offered him £250k per week he would be quite happily living in Liverpool now with a helicopter on stand by to bring the missus to London