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Bull. Shit.

You were the smartarse who championed Mourinho and were smug enough to rub it in. You tell me about his tactical masterpiece.

I talked about luck? Bullshit again. Go and read my post.

Well yeah. It wasn't a masterpiece by any stretch, it was basic stuff. 10 men behind the ball, waiting for an opening or a bit of luck to go their way. We used to do it at OT, Highbury and Stamford Bridge, it works sometimes and is a useful tactic. It's worrying when it becomes your managers style, to be overly pragmatic, but the "football will always win" mentality is what's undone Arsenal over the years, a stubborn stance to not adjust your philosophy at times to do the necessary. Like I said in the other thread, our record against City and Chelsea this season reads: W1 D0 L3. Many of the goals against in those games were on the break, because we didn't shore things up at the back. We've shipped goals against much lesser sides this season for the same reason, so it was always going to cost us somewhere along the line, and that's where.

I'm loathed to give Mourinho credit or fall into the media trap of hailing him a genius, but sometimes the best managers are the ones who utilise the basics well, that's all he did - and it worked. Regardless of the mistake, we pretty much played into Chelsea's hands.
 
I felt lately the secret to our success was quite simple. We kept the shit players off the field as much as possible - Aspas, Moses, Alberto , Lucas etc. Henderson was a big loss, Sturridge being unfit was a killer too.

That and we took advantage of every little bit of luck that came our way.

Yesterday we got no luck (Kalac on Sterling was a penalty, Stevie's slip), and our summer transfers came back to bite us in the arse.
 
I felt lately the secret to our success was quite simple. We kept the shit players off the field as much as possible - Aspas, Moses, Alberto , Lucas etc. Henderson was a big loss, Sturridge being unfit was a killer too.

That and we took advantage of every little bit of luck that came our way.

Yesterday we got no luck (Kalac on Sterling was a penalty, Stevie's slip), and our summer transfers came back to bite us in the arse.


Bollocks.

We're top of the league, and have had to rely all season long on Allen, Lucas, Flanagan, Agger, Mignolet, Moses, etc; players who are supposedly shite.

We're top of the league because our Manager is outstanding.
 
If that's true then this time next year we'll be top of the league again.

But needless to say I don't see it happening
 
Yeah in two games. And you think they wont be scrapping against City?
The important thing is United winning before they play.
If United fuck it up then its all fucked.
United need to win next Saturday and then Everton will have to give it their all.

Incidentally I think they would anyway. I dont think they would take it easy.

I've never said at one point that they wouldn't be scrapping against city!

I just said they are as good as qualified for the EL. I'm bowing out now, haha.
 
Bollocks.

We're top of the league, and have had to rely all season long on Allen, Lucas, Flanagan, Agger, Mignolet, Moses, etc; players who are supposedly shite.

[hl]We're top of the league because our Manager is outstanding.[/hl]

100% this.
 
If that's true then this time next year we'll be top of the league again.

But needless to say I don't see it happening


You also said Suarez wasn't a goalscorer and that Managers don't make a difference Ross.

Last night, Suarez was voted player of the year and is top goalscorer in the league.

And we've gone from 7th to 1st with pretty much the same squad.
 
Are we making up quotes now?

Do people think Rodgers woke up one day last summer and realised his footballing philosophy was complete nonsense?

Or was pushed to that conclusion by the brains behind him?

Theres way more to this season than simply Rodgers
 
Are we making up quotes now?

Do people think Rodgers woke up one day last summer and realised his footballing philosophy was complete nonsense?

Or was pushed to that conclusion by the brains behind him?

Theres way more to this season than simply Rodgers



If it's not Suarez and not Rodgers, who is it then?
 
I don't think that's true at all Stevie, they'd have played exactly the same way for the rest of the game, hoping late on that they'd get a break with Torres /Willian on the counter attack.

I get that the mistake cost us, but we were naive in the way we played and, as I said earlier, Suarez and Sturridge look like they've hit a wall. It's all well and good Rodgers saying he would never play like that, sometimes you have to. When it becomes your managers trademark way of playing with an expensively assembled squad, then yeah, it's time to worry - I hated that about Rafa and Ged.

Sometimes you do need a plan B though, a way to draw out your opponents. Teams will have watched that and will come to Anfield doing the same, not many are going to be as defensively tight as Chelsea, but it still makes it difficult. Rodgers will have to learn to be a bit more pragmatic, in Europe particularly, next season. We can't go gungho against everyone, I think most of us have felt it would eventually cost us. When you look at our record against the other two top sides, it reads: W1 D0 L3. That's where it's cost us. At least 4 of the goals against us in those games were on the counter, a result of us leaving ourselves open at the back.

So does City's. And they are probably going to win the league.

Mourinho uses this way of play whenever he has a big away match. I do hope Simeone plays a similar game at SB and steals a goal.
 
Well yeah. It wasn't a masterpiece by any stretch, it was basic stuff. 10 men behind the ball, waiting for an opening or a bit of luck to go their way. We used to do it at OT, Highbury and Stamford Bridge, it works sometimes and is a useful tactic.


Yes, although the reason we did it was that we were palpably inferior to those teams and would have been thumped if we'd played a more open style. Chelski deserve more than the vitriol they're already getting because they actually eschew using the superior attacking skill they've got in their squad in order to win ugly. It's like watching The Beatles rely on sampling and cover versions or Michelangelo use a paint roller.
 
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Everton blowing 4th had ruined it. I am accepting 2nd now. Champions league next year
 
Everton blowing 4th had ruined it. I am accepting 2nd now. Champions league next year

Accepting 2nd?

Fucking really?!

Not until it's mathematically impossible to win the league will I do such a thing.

It may be unlikely, but much, much stranger things have happened in football. 1989 for fucks sake!
 
Accepting 2nd?

Fucking really?!

Not until it's mathematically impossible to win the league will I do such a thing.

It may be unlikely, but much, much stranger things have happened in football. 1989 for fucks sake!


Yep. 2012 was quite dramatic too and could have gone either way.
Granted our chances are far from promising, but until it's mathematically lost I'll keep hoping.
 
Accepting 2nd?

Fucking really?!

Not until it's mathematically impossible to win the league will I do such a thing.

It may be unlikely, but much, much stranger things have happened in football. 1989 for fucks sake!

I am, just to stop my gut wrenching feeling. Of course I still hope
 
I've slept on it, and don't feel that much better. But fuck that, if there are more twists to come, they will come. If they won't, they won't.

Even if City don't drop points till final day, they could go into it with the pressure of knowing that they HAVE to win. Anything could happen on that final day, as we all well know from 2 years ago.

I'm just going to bury myself in my books till next Saturday.
 
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Andy Carroll is going to score an injury time headed equaliser from a Downing cross that gives us the title after a 4-0 win at home to Newcastle.
 
Aye, if Carroll scores an equaliser, then every bit of that 35 million would have been worth it.
 
I have a strong feeling that we've blown it but it's slightly less strong a feeling than the one I have that; in this season of twists and turns there's one more twist to come.
 
I don't think the tactics have ever been devised to deal with an opposition that starts out with an 11-man defence. The one thing you need in that situation is a lucky break . . . . . and we didn't get a single one yesterday.
 
If we'd played and lost this fixture back in early March (for example) then gone on a run of wins, including one yesterday against a different team, we'd be feeling completely different today despite the situation being exactly the same. So my wish for those people now seemingly haunted by this one moment of despair is for them to learn to see the season as a whole entity and spread out the pain across all the moments where it (may have) slipped away; conceding at Swansea when in command, the no-show at home to Southampton, leaving Lukaku unmarked on the edge of the box instead of moving a few yards to close him down (Coutinho, I think), and so on.

I'm sure Dr Peters would agree.
 
I don't think the tactics have ever been devised to deal with an opposition that starts out with an 11-man defence. The one thing you need in that situation is a lucky break . . . . . and we didn't get a single one yesterday.

I'd like to propose the not-attacking-at-all-because-1-point-would-have-been-ok tactics to see how everyone coped with that; players, fans, managers, Sky, the FA (probably a ban for Suarez for not trying)...
 
I don't think the tactics have ever been devised to deal with an opposition that starts out with an 11-man defence. The one thing you need in that situation is a lucky break . . . . . and we didn't get a single one yesterday.

Yep, and don't forget it was a Chelsea team drilled with expensive technical players. Lesser team deploy a similar tactic due to the resources available to them. However, their players often lack the concentration levels of a finely tuned Chelsea team. Usually fatigue drifts in and a Stoke (for example) defender makes a rash tackle in the box or switches off in the box to allow a striker in. Chelsea weren't going to switch off or allow concentration levels to be dropped.

I think we needed a moment of individual brilliance or lucky deflection to get in. It was a very difficult game and a job well done for Chelsea, the absolute pricks. Having a 300 million pound squad at your disposal and assembling a brick wall, two banks of four nullifying the opposition infuriates me. That is not a master class in operation or the work of a genius. The word genius should be reserved for Nobel prize winners or if broken down to footballing terms, a Maradona, Pele or Messi. You'd swear Mourinho had the precision of Donatello sculpting the statue of David yesterday. We had to listen to Martin Tyler exclaim in joy how Jose had every little five minute intervals of play carefully orchestrated. A puppeteer with us all on his strings.

A master class in tactics is not waiting for the opposition to fuck up. A job well done, YES, a master class, NO.

Am I just bitter or do others share this train of thought?
 
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