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Yep, and don't forget it was a Chelsea team drilled with expensive technical players. Lesser team deploy a similar tactic due to the resources available to them. However, their players often lack the concentration levels of a finely tuned Chelsea team. Usually fatigue drifts in and a Stoke (for example) defender makes a rash tackle in the box or switches off in the box to allow a striker in. Chelsea weren't going to switch off or allow concentration levels to be dropped.

I think we needed a moment of individual brilliance or lucky deflection to get in. It was a very difficult game and a job well done for Chelsea, the absolute pricks. Having a 300 million pound squad at your disposal and assembling a brick wall, two banks of four nullifying the opposition infuriates me. That is not a master class in operation or the work of a genius. The word genius should be reserved for Nobel prize winners or if broken down to footballing terms, a Maradona, Pele or Messi. You'd swear Mourinho had the precision of Donatello sculpting the statue of David yesterday. We had to listen to Martin Tyler exclaim in joy how Jose had every little five minute intervals of play carefully orchestrated. A puppeteer with us all on his strings.

A master class in tactics is not waiting for the opposition to fuck up. A job well done, YES, a master class, NO.

Am I just bitter or do others share this train of thought?

I agree, and I've been saying it for nine years now. Defending with everyone behind the ball and hoping for a lucky break isnt the stuff of tactical genius.
 
Favourable circumstances like one of the best finishers in the world, a great manager and good tactics?
 
I agree, and I've been saying it for nine years now. Defending with everyone behind the ball and hoping for a lucky break isnt the stuff of tactical genius.

Depends on the resources available. If Stoke did it to avoid relegation then that's a different story altogether. I've no problem with that. It is however, a little rich to laud it as master class when Mourinho has a such a fine squad of players at his disposal.

*Hopes no one bites at Ross's thinly veiled dig at Rafa in his post*
 
I've never said at one point that they wouldn't be scrapping against city!

I just said they are as good as qualified for the EL. I'm bowing out now, haha.
They should be scrapping like loons , not particularly to qualify for the CL but to avoid the EL: a competition that brings the best part of fuck all in revenue, or attracting players but takes more out of you in resources and energy than the CL
 
Oh one thing I did enjoy from the game was Flanagan sowing it into Salah any chance he got. Salah didn't fancy the battle as the game progressed.

I also enjoyed Sterling's blistering acceleration to breeze past Salah in the first half. I'm all about technical players but I'm a sucker for a bit of pace every now and again.
 
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Where? Is there logic behind that or just a gut feeling?

Not talking shite, just curious

City are just not the type of team to 100% win every one of their last few games. And this league won't be decided by a slip. There's been so many twists and turns this season, there's almost certain to be more. Take Lukaku for example. if Everton for example. He's going to be on fire v City.
 
Its everyone, plus favourable circumstances and plenty of good luck.




Although if you want to apportion blame for yesterday I'm not sure what could be leveled at Rodgers.


I wasn't playing the blaming game. I'm still not playing it here.

I was talking about the credits for our fantastic season.
That was the context of my response, and you responded to that in your 1st sentence, with which I partially agree.
Only partially because you seem to be giving equal credits to everyone while for me Rodgers and Suarez deserve more credit than everyone else.
 
I have a strong feeling that we've blown it but it's slightly less strong a feeling than the one I have that; in this season of twists and turns there's one more twist to come.

I hope that's a good twist. Not a fucking shit one like City dropping points, we drop points, and Chelsea emerging to steal it. It'd make me give up watching football.
 
As the day goes by I'm getting more annoyed that we only needed a draw against that defensive shite. Should have been no problem.
 
Interesting article in the Guardian On-line on Mourniho's tactics for big games. Here's his 7 point plan :

1. The game is won by the team who commits fewer errors
2. Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition
3. Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it's better to encourage their mnistakes
4. Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake
5. Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake
6. Whoever has the ball has fear
7. Whoever does not have it is therefore stronger.

That's not genius at work.

Full article here :

http://www.theguardian.com/football...se-mourinho-chelsea-liverpool-atletico-madrid
 
From a personal point of view after Henderson's red card and suspension I thought we'd push Gerard more forward and let Lucas be the DM for the next 3 games
 
Interesting article in the Guardian On-line on Mourniho's tactics for big games. Here's his 7 point plan :

1. The game is won by the team who commits fewer errors
2. Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition
3. Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it's better to encourage their mnistakes
4. Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake
5. Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake
6. Whoever has the ball has fear
7. Whoever does not have it is therefore stronger.

That's not genius at work.

Full article here :

http://www.theguardian.com/football...se-mourinho-chelsea-liverpool-atletico-madrid

I was going to post this. I think it's from a book written about his time at Madrid.
 
I was going to post this. I think it's from a book written about his time at Madrid.

Yep - it is.

I don't want to get all preachy & misty eyed about how football should be attacking.

It almost comes across as an inferiority complex - maybe because Mourinho never played the game he feels driven to be successful by winning by other means - strength, negative tactics, basically focusing on everything that you do without involving a ball.
 
No - you like many others on this site just don't like him. Truth is - in the last 20 years, none of us have been pleased with any of our full backs. So who ever we get next - you and others will still not like him. Besides there are few better out there than Johnson.

It's not that we don't like him. Not at all. I'd love him to be consistent. But he consistently gave the ball away with sloppy passing when not under pressure. That's what enrages me about him.
 
Are we making up quotes now?

Do people think Rodgers woke up one day last summer and realised his footballing philosophy was complete nonsense?

Or was pushed to that conclusion by the brains behind him?

Theres way more to this season than simply Rodgers
Can you come back after you get married?
 
Chavs at work are killing me.
I found just saying well done, you got the tactics right but we're still in it, worked wonders and gave them nowhere to go. WUMs need followers and biters. Starve them of attention and they fuck off.

Utd fans however...
 
A few interesting points from that analysis from Carra and Neville.

They feel Rodgers got his tactics wrong first half and second half. We were playing with naivety against a team obviously playing direct football.
We can't complain about time wasting as we've done it ourselves many times to our advantage.
Madrid changed their normal possession heavy style and tactically allowed Bayern to have 70% , in order to get the result in a big game.
Chelski have the 2nd most shots this season, and the 3rd most goals - not exactly mourinho defensive football
We had 21 shots from outside the box, and put in 29 crosses into the box considering we dont have a 'big man' playing up top
 
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