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Parcel Bomb Sent To Neil Lennon
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A man had sent Lennon a parcel bomb. Instead of focusing on that you decided to tell everyone that Lennon was a bit hateful from the Rangers perspective and you'd hate him yourself. Couldn't you see the wood for the trees?
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[quote author=themn link=topic=45031.msg1331380#msg1331380 date=1305151513]
With all the nonsense that goes on up there, especially concerning Lennon this season, he really ought to think about NOT stirring shit up further.
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That's the thing, he continues to stir things unabated. What has went on with Lennon is reprehensible, but he does continue to wind things up. At the last Old Firm game at Ibrox, after all the parcel bomb shite, at the final whistle he cupped his ear to the Rangers' fans causing, as he would have known it would, uproar among the home support. Now I'm not excusing the hatred for Lennon, but yunno, you'd think he'd try and defuse things a little- rise above it. Unfortunately, he hasn't, perhaps can't. If the atmosphere up there wasn't so poisonous, you could say that Lennon shouldn't have to curb his confrontational nature, but given the circumstances, I wish he would just attempt to play a straight bat for a while.
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You know what, I hear what you say, but why should Neil Lennon change his approach because of a mindless minority? Other managers say the very same as him and they don't get letter bombs or attacked in the street or attacked on the touchline.
He shouldn't be toning it down, the sectarian bigots need to be taken down. By Lennon toning things down, the bigots win - again. I see Lennon managed to kick the fella a couple of times after he missed with his haymaker. Fair play to him.
Also, this type of thing should put the final nail in the coffin of the "Bring the Old Firm to the Premier League" brigade. So that's one positive I suppose.
[quote author=themn link=topic=45031.msg1331380#msg1331380 date=1305151513]
With all the nonsense that goes on up there, especially concerning Lennon this season, he really ought to think about NOT stirring shit up further.
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That's the thing, he continues to stir things unabated. What has went on with Lennon is reprehensible, but he does continue to wind things up. At the last Old Firm game at Ibrox, after all the parcel bomb shite, at the final whistle he cupped his ear to the Rangers' fans causing, as he would have known it would, uproar among the home support. Now I'm not excusing the hatred for Lennon, but yunno, you'd think he'd try and defuse things a little- rise above it. Unfortunately, he hasn't, perhaps can't. If the atmosphere up there wasn't so poisonous, you could say that Lennon shouldn't have to curb his confrontational nature, but given the circumstances, I wish he would just attempt to play a straight bat for a while.
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You know what, I hear what you say, but why should Neil Lennon change his approach because of a mindless minority? Other managers say the very same as him and they don't get letter bombs or attacked in the street or attacked on the touchline.
He shouldn't be toning it down, the sectarian bigots need to be taken down. By Lennon toning things down, the bigots win - again. I see Lennon managed to kick the fella a couple of times after he missed with his haymaker. Fair play to him.
Also, this type of thing should put the final nail in the coffin of the "Bring the Old Firm to the Premier League" brigade. So that's one positive I suppose.
As far as Im aware Neil Lennon's only "crime" is that he played for and now manages Celtic. For this "crime" he has received bullets in the post, been sent a parcel bomb and now attacked by a scum Hearts fan.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
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As far as Im aware Neil Lennon's only "crime" is that he played for and now manages Celtic. For this "crime" he has received bullets in the post, been sent a parcel bomb and now attacked by a scum Hearts fan.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
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I agree with what you're saying there.
What about the Celtic fans who were singing about and glorifying the IRA last night? Lets be fair, what's happened to Lennon is beyond the pale but Celtic fans are hardly paragons of virtue. Rangers fans have been punished by UEFA for their sectarianism, why haven't Celtic?
In fact why is it UEFA have done it and not the SFA? That's probably where a lot of this stems from, the SFA not having the bollocks to stand up to both clubs and stem the rising tide in sectarianism on both sides of the divide.
As far as Im aware Neil Lennon's only "crime" is that he played for and now manages Celtic. For this "crime" he has received bullets in the post, been sent a parcel bomb and now attacked by a scum Hearts fan.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
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I agree with what you're saying there.
What about the Celtic fans who were singing about and glorifying the IRA last night? Lets be fair, what's happened to Lennon is beyond the pale but Celtic fans are hardly paragons of virtue. Rangers fans have been punished by UEFA for their sectarianism, why haven't Celtic?
In fact why is it UEFA have done it and not the SFA? That's probably where a lot of this stems from, the SFA not having the bollocks to stand up to both clubs and stem the rising tide in sectarianism on both sides of the divide.
It seems to me that most of the posts on here have merit.
Lennon shoulnt have to change the way he coaches his players or conducts his team; and he certainly doesnt deserve threats against his life or letter bombs..it's insane to think of these things happening, especially in Britain.
But bearing in mind the passion of the fans and the raw emotions of this particular derby, perhaps a little prudence isnt altogteher a bad thing. If Lennon did a Souness and planted a flag at Ibrox or Parkhead after Celtic or Rangers won the League a lot on here would have been very critical.
He hasnt gone to those lengths yet of course, but to say that his past or future actions have no relevance at all to the reactions we've seen or might see can't be right.
Lennon shoulnt have to change the way he coaches his players or conducts his team; and he certainly doesnt deserve threats against his life or letter bombs..it's insane to think of these things happening, especially in Britain.
But bearing in mind the passion of the fans and the raw emotions of this particular derby, perhaps a little prudence isnt altogteher a bad thing. If Lennon did a Souness and planted a flag at Ibrox or Parkhead after Celtic or Rangers won the League a lot on here would have been very critical.
He hasnt gone to those lengths yet of course, but to say that his past or future actions have no relevance at all to the reactions we've seen or might see can't be right.
Im not disagreeing with any of that Spion. I was just, like you, saying that Lennon has done nothing to justify the attacks on him and to even try, to explain them, is ridiculous.
By the way, when Lennon played for Leicester he also played for Northern Ireland with no problems. As soon as he moved to Celtic all that changed.
By the way, when Lennon played for Leicester he also played for Northern Ireland with no problems. As soon as he moved to Celtic all that changed.
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It's all quite sickening to be honest.
If a Liverpool supporter did that to the Horsefucker I'd be disgusted.
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Yeah but what if they did it to Gary Neville?
It's all quite sickening to be honest.
If a Liverpool supporter did that to the Horsefucker I'd be disgusted.
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Yeah but what if they did it to Gary Neville?
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=45031.msg1331507#msg1331507 date=1305185088]
A man had sent Lennon a parcel bomb. Instead of focusing on that you decided to tell everyone that Lennon was a bit hateful from the Rangers perspective and you'd hate him yourself. Couldn't you see the wood for the trees?
Clear?
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You're now deliberatly being obtuse, and a fucking fool.
I remember my post after the 'parcel bomb' discussion, my first comment in the fucking thread about it was to label it "disgraceful". Have another read through the rest of my post if you want, because right in there it says "I'm not saying he deserved it so calm the fuck down" - I'd referenced the bastarding parcel bomb first up, but given that the thread was a day old by the time I joined it, and the news had been out re the story for a while, it was worth discussing more than "shit news, next" I thought.
Contrast that to your "that's the thing" effort 20 minutes after it fucking happened. I found it startling then, and I still find it startling now that your primary discussion point was Neil Lennon's attitude.
Besides all of that, coming along and slinging repeated insults when it's quite clear I wasn't intimating or suggesting a fucking thing is shit and you should be ashamed. I've engaged with you in this and plenty of other threads to think I knew you slightly better than that. I'll not make that mistake again.
A man had sent Lennon a parcel bomb. Instead of focusing on that you decided to tell everyone that Lennon was a bit hateful from the Rangers perspective and you'd hate him yourself. Couldn't you see the wood for the trees?
Clear?
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You're now deliberatly being obtuse, and a fucking fool.
I remember my post after the 'parcel bomb' discussion, my first comment in the fucking thread about it was to label it "disgraceful". Have another read through the rest of my post if you want, because right in there it says "I'm not saying he deserved it so calm the fuck down" - I'd referenced the bastarding parcel bomb first up, but given that the thread was a day old by the time I joined it, and the news had been out re the story for a while, it was worth discussing more than "shit news, next" I thought.
Contrast that to your "that's the thing" effort 20 minutes after it fucking happened. I found it startling then, and I still find it startling now that your primary discussion point was Neil Lennon's attitude.
Besides all of that, coming along and slinging repeated insults when it's quite clear I wasn't intimating or suggesting a fucking thing is shit and you should be ashamed. I've engaged with you in this and plenty of other threads to think I knew you slightly better than that. I'll not make that mistake again.
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=45031.msg1331518#msg1331518 date=1305186053]
As far as Im aware Neil Lennon's only "crime" is that he played for and now manages Celtic. For this "crime" he has received bullets in the post, been sent a parcel bomb and now attacked by a scum Hearts fan.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
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I agree with what you're saying there.
What about the Celtic fans who were singing about and glorifying the IRA last night?
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Were they? Was it audible?
I only saw parts of the game so really don't know.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=45031.msg1331518#msg1331518 date=1305186053]
As far as Im aware Neil Lennon's only "crime" is that he played for and now manages Celtic. For this "crime" he has received bullets in the post, been sent a parcel bomb and now attacked by a scum Hearts fan.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
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I agree with what you're saying there.
What about the Celtic fans who were singing about and glorifying the IRA last night?
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Were they? Was it audible?
I only saw parts of the game so really don't know.
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=45031.msg1331507#msg1331507 date=1305185088]
A man had sent Lennon a parcel bomb. Instead of focusing on that you decided to tell everyone that Lennon was a bit hateful from the Rangers perspective and you'd hate him yourself. Couldn't you see the wood for the trees?
Clear?
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You're now deliberatly being obtuse
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Everyone was responding to the incident, and as you fucking did earlier in the thread, I provided context for the incident. I also said the behaviour towards Lennon was reprehensible!
I had already expressed my opinion that Lennon being an inflammatory character in no way excused the actions of those targeting him.
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A man had sent Lennon a parcel bomb. Instead of focusing on that you decided to tell everyone that Lennon was a bit hateful from the Rangers perspective and you'd hate him yourself. Couldn't you see the wood for the trees?
Clear?
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You're now deliberatly being obtuse
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Everyone was responding to the incident, and as you fucking did earlier in the thread, I provided context for the incident. I also said the behaviour towards Lennon was reprehensible!
I had already expressed my opinion that Lennon being an inflammatory character in no way excused the actions of those targeting him.
As an innocent bystander in all this, it looks like the pair of you are in complete agreement with one another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQxL5dUXSs&feature=player_embedded#at=40
Thanks for mentioning Souness planting the flag and making me find this video again.
So good.
Thanks for mentioning Souness planting the flag and making me find this video again.
So good.
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As an innocent bystander in all this, it looks like the pair of you are in complete agreement with one another.
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This!
"I provided context when I said Lennon was a twat!"
"But my context was more vivid!"
Great discussion guys.
As an innocent bystander in all this, it looks like the pair of you are in complete agreement with one another.
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This!
"I provided context when I said Lennon was a twat!"
"But my context was more vivid!"
Great discussion guys.
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=45031.msg1331518#msg1331518 date=1305186053]
As far as Im aware Neil Lennon's only "crime" is that he played for and now manages Celtic. For this "crime" he has received bullets in the post, been sent a parcel bomb and now attacked by a scum Hearts fan.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
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I agree with what you're saying there.
What about the Celtic fans who were singing about and glorifying the IRA last night?
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Were they? Was it audible?
I only saw parts of the game so really don't know.
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According to a pundit on Radio 5 last night, yes it was. It would appear that Rangers have ramped up their sectarian singing because they feel they have been singled out. Again that's according to other people on the radio programme. Looks like Scottish football is, or is heading back to becoming a footballing backwater.
Interestingly enough, they called on two people to speak on behalf of both sets of fans (I think they were in fan groups) and neither speaker was from Scotland. But both condemned the sectarianism and said that both clubs and the sets of fans could learn from the improvements made in NI.
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=45031.msg1331518#msg1331518 date=1305186053]
As far as Im aware Neil Lennon's only "crime" is that he played for and now manages Celtic. For this "crime" he has received bullets in the post, been sent a parcel bomb and now attacked by a scum Hearts fan.
Please do us a favour and stop trying to make excuses for, or even analysing, the reasons for the actions of these headcases.
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I agree with what you're saying there.
What about the Celtic fans who were singing about and glorifying the IRA last night?
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Were they? Was it audible?
I only saw parts of the game so really don't know.
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According to a pundit on Radio 5 last night, yes it was. It would appear that Rangers have ramped up their sectarian singing because they feel they have been singled out. Again that's according to other people on the radio programme. Looks like Scottish football is, or is heading back to becoming a footballing backwater.
Interestingly enough, they called on two people to speak on behalf of both sets of fans (I think they were in fan groups) and neither speaker was from Scotland. But both condemned the sectarianism and said that both clubs and the sets of fans could learn from the improvements made in NI.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQxL5dUXSs&feature=player_embedded#at=40
Thanks for mentioning Souness planting the flag and making me find this video again.
So good.
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Now THAT is provocation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQxL5dUXSs&feature=player_embedded#at=40
Thanks for mentioning Souness planting the flag and making me find this video again.
So good.
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Now THAT is provocation!
Lennon shouldnt really have to change anything...... BUT......he should know better! he's spent more time in the middle of it than any of us and knows the hostilities that surround Celtic v Rangers. It was stupid what he did after the Rangers game, incensing the fans. I can only think of Mourinho who would have possibly done the same thing. Can you imagine someone like Kenny doing that in a hostile environment. No. He'd let his team do the talking on the pitch. Lennons actions have a direct reaction on the both sets of fans. Even saying that hearts hadn't tried against rangers is un professional. Granted it happens all the time in other leagues, but with all these threats flying around against him he shouldn't just tried to act a little more professional!
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=45031.msg1331536#msg1331536 date=1305186960]
By the way, when Lennon played for Leicester he also played for Northern Ireland with no problems. As soon as he moved to Celtic all that changed.
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I could be wrong here, but I believe Lennon has had problems prior to his move to Celtic, albeit it would seem that these actions have ramped up since he went there as a player and a manager.
I have heard that he was not a popular man in his hometown due to the fact that on home visits, he used to "act like a cock and throw his money around in an arrogant fashion". Again not an excuse for the vitriol and threats he gets, but does suggest that if you took the sectarianism out of the argument, Lennon is still not an endearing personality to quite a few.
By the way, when Lennon played for Leicester he also played for Northern Ireland with no problems. As soon as he moved to Celtic all that changed.
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I could be wrong here, but I believe Lennon has had problems prior to his move to Celtic, albeit it would seem that these actions have ramped up since he went there as a player and a manager.
I have heard that he was not a popular man in his hometown due to the fact that on home visits, he used to "act like a cock and throw his money around in an arrogant fashion". Again not an excuse for the vitriol and threats he gets, but does suggest that if you took the sectarianism out of the argument, Lennon is still not an endearing personality to quite a few.
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Lennon shouldnt really have to change anything...... BUT......he should know better! he's spent more time in the middle of it than any of us and knows the hostilities that surround Celtic v Rangers. It was stupid what he did after the Rangers game, incensing the fans. I can only think of Mourinho who would have possibly done the same thing. Can you imagine someone like Kenny doing that in a hostile environment. No. He'd let his team do the talking on the pitch. Lennons actions have a direct reaction on the both sets of fans. Even saying that hearts hadn't tried against rangers is un professional. Granted it happens all the time in other leagues, but with all these threats flying around against him he shouldn't just tried to act a little more professional!
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Aren't people taking his comments about Hearts as an inferrence that because Hearts are the protestant club of Edinburgh, that's the reason he said them?
Lennon's actions are immature, but take the sectarianism away and was what he said any worse than Wenger whinging about rough house tactics or Ferguson whinging about refereeing integrity. Its all a bit playground.
Lennon shouldnt really have to change anything...... BUT......he should know better! he's spent more time in the middle of it than any of us and knows the hostilities that surround Celtic v Rangers. It was stupid what he did after the Rangers game, incensing the fans. I can only think of Mourinho who would have possibly done the same thing. Can you imagine someone like Kenny doing that in a hostile environment. No. He'd let his team do the talking on the pitch. Lennons actions have a direct reaction on the both sets of fans. Even saying that hearts hadn't tried against rangers is un professional. Granted it happens all the time in other leagues, but with all these threats flying around against him he shouldn't just tried to act a little more professional!
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Aren't people taking his comments about Hearts as an inferrence that because Hearts are the protestant club of Edinburgh, that's the reason he said them?
Lennon's actions are immature, but take the sectarianism away and was what he said any worse than Wenger whinging about rough house tactics or Ferguson whinging about refereeing integrity. Its all a bit playground.
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Sunny is the only mod who ever works around here. :🙂
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I don't want to get involved between those heavyweights ... I don't understand half the words they use anyways.
Sunny is the only mod who ever works around here. :🙂
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I don't want to get involved between those heavyweights ... I don't understand half the words they use anyways.
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=45031.msg1331536#msg1331536 date=1305186960]
By the way, when Lennon played for Leicester he also played for Northern Ireland with no problems. As soon as he moved to Celtic all that changed.
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I could be wrong here, but I believe Lennon has had problems prior to his move to Celtic, albeit it would seem that these actions have ramped up since he went there as a player and a manager.
I have heard that he was not a popular man in his hometown due to the fact that on home visits, he used to "act like a cock and throw his money around in an arrogant fashion". Again not an excuse for the vitriol and threats he gets, but does suggest that if you took the sectarianism out of the argument, Lennon is still not an endearing personality to quite a few.
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I think you are wrong here. Yes he may have been a flash harry, but the bullets in the post started arriving after his move to Celtic.
It should be said though that there are other Celtic players who play for Northern Ireland without any apparent problems.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=45031.msg1331536#msg1331536 date=1305186960]
By the way, when Lennon played for Leicester he also played for Northern Ireland with no problems. As soon as he moved to Celtic all that changed.
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I could be wrong here, but I believe Lennon has had problems prior to his move to Celtic, albeit it would seem that these actions have ramped up since he went there as a player and a manager.
I have heard that he was not a popular man in his hometown due to the fact that on home visits, he used to "act like a cock and throw his money around in an arrogant fashion". Again not an excuse for the vitriol and threats he gets, but does suggest that if you took the sectarianism out of the argument, Lennon is still not an endearing personality to quite a few.
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I think you are wrong here. Yes he may have been a flash harry, but the bullets in the post started arriving after his move to Celtic.
It should be said though that there are other Celtic players who play for Northern Ireland without any apparent problems.
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Sunny is the only mod who ever works around here. :🙂
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I don't want to get involved between those heavyweights ... I don't understand half the words they use anyways.
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i'm just lazy
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Sunny is the only mod who ever works around here. :🙂
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I don't want to get involved between those heavyweights ... I don't understand half the words they use anyways.
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i'm just lazy
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[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=45031.msg1331637#msg1331637 date=1305194016]
Lennon shouldnt really have to change anything...... BUT......he should know better! he's spent more time in the middle of it than any of us and knows the hostilities that surround Celtic v Rangers. It was stupid what he did after the Rangers game, incensing the fans. I can only think of Mourinho who would have possibly done the same thing. Can you imagine someone like Kenny doing that in a hostile environment. No. He'd let his team do the talking on the pitch. Lennons actions have a direct reaction on the both sets of fans. Even saying that hearts hadn't tried against rangers is un professional. Granted it happens all the time in other leagues, but with all these threats flying around against him he shouldn't just tried to act a little more professional!
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Aren't people taking his comments about Hearts as an inferrence that because Hearts are the protestant club of Edinburgh, that's the reason he said them?
Lennon's actions are immature, but take the sectarianism away and was what he said any worse than Wenger whinging about rough house tactics or Ferguson whinging about refereeing integrity. Its all a bit playground.
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Yes, but that can be interpreted both ways. Did he say it because of their religion or did they take it that way because of their religion. Either way, you're right its not any different than what wenger and ferguson do but after being sent the kind of mail and shit he has been, you'd think he'd take it down a peg or two. He's not stupid, he surely knows his actions could cause uproar.
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=45031.msg1331637#msg1331637 date=1305194016]
Lennon shouldnt really have to change anything...... BUT......he should know better! he's spent more time in the middle of it than any of us and knows the hostilities that surround Celtic v Rangers. It was stupid what he did after the Rangers game, incensing the fans. I can only think of Mourinho who would have possibly done the same thing. Can you imagine someone like Kenny doing that in a hostile environment. No. He'd let his team do the talking on the pitch. Lennons actions have a direct reaction on the both sets of fans. Even saying that hearts hadn't tried against rangers is un professional. Granted it happens all the time in other leagues, but with all these threats flying around against him he shouldn't just tried to act a little more professional!
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Aren't people taking his comments about Hearts as an inferrence that because Hearts are the protestant club of Edinburgh, that's the reason he said them?
Lennon's actions are immature, but take the sectarianism away and was what he said any worse than Wenger whinging about rough house tactics or Ferguson whinging about refereeing integrity. Its all a bit playground.
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Yes, but that can be interpreted both ways. Did he say it because of their religion or did they take it that way because of their religion. Either way, you're right its not any different than what wenger and ferguson do but after being sent the kind of mail and shit he has been, you'd think he'd take it down a peg or two. He's not stupid, he surely knows his actions could cause uproar.
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