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Our New Starting LB - Milner

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Liverpool fans kicked off the summer crying out for a left back, and with just days left in the transfer window, many still are. According to anyone and everyone with connections at the club, though, manager Jürgen Klopp doesn’t want a new starting left back.

He doesn’t want a new starting left back because he’s been impressed by James Milner,
who Klopp moved to left back during pre-season in part to fill a need but also in order to ensure he could keep one of his hardest working players on the pitch this season.

“It is different,” the 30-year-old Milner, who recently retired from international football, admitted in an interview with the Liverpool Echo today. “There are pluses and minutes. All my career, being in the midfield or higher up than that, you have got people behind you.

‘You are working in pairs when you play further up but you are more of a unit when you are playing at left back. You need to be aware of where your centre backs are so you are not the deepest man, all these things. It’s new for me and I’m learning as fast as I can.”

There have been bright spots as he’s learned; moments of promise for a player making an unusual positional switch late in his career. In pre-season, he was one of the best players on the pitch against Barcelona, a constant threat checking back onto his right foot.

Against Burnley in the league, though, Milner at left back meant Liverpool lacked width on his side; against a team packed deep all his presence did was congest things further for Liverpool. Rather than opening Burnley up, his presence helped them shut down.

Klopp, though, feels confident that Milner will improve quickly at the position and any negatives from playing a right-footed left back can be overcome. And for his part, Milner says that despite being right-footed, he’s more comfortable playing on the left.

“I think I have adapted throughout my career to playing different positions,” Milner added when asked about his footedness. “I’ve played a lot on the left in my career and would rather play left back than right back so that does not affect me.

“It’s more learning the position from training and watching videos after the game, looking at distances from the centre half, getting out to the wide man quickly, things like that. The way the manager plays is very different to a left-back say five years ago. “A lot of time in this team you are like a winger and on the front foot.

So I could speak to other left backs but the way this manager wants his full-backs to play is completely different to how other managers want them to play.”
 
He's the best LB at the club right now, but also one of the best midfielders. It's a bit of a quandry, against Tottenham I'd have had Milner in the middle over Lallana but that's not an option now that he's been drafted into the defence.

He's made a success of playing LB so far, he did get caught out of position a couple of times against Tottenham and - as disciplined, versatile and experienced as he is - this will happen again as it isn't the position he's used to. I'm not going to blame him for that though, his positioning is still better than Moreno's.

I wonder if Klopp will ever consider Milner at LB with Moreno playing ahead of him (I realise we have been playing a bit too narrow for this so far this season).
 
I can only assume Klopp has a certain target in mind to buy when he becomes available.

Anything other than that would be completely stupid. I think we missed Milner in midfield in all three games so far. He's been ok at left back, but was poor going forward against Burnley and got caught under the ball for the goal against Spurs.
 
This must be the case, surely. Wisdom sent out on loan too. We look VERY short in defence imo.

We're two injuries away from almost disaster. We've got one quality right back covered by a kid, one terrible left back covered by a midfielder, and three available centre halves, all three of whom have had their injuries worries lately.
 
I can only assume Klopp has a certain target in mind to buy when he becomes available.

Yeah well I hope that works out for him next season if the fans haven't turned on him by then. Going into the season with what we've got in that position is just plain ol stupid and I hope to god he doesn't regret it. What have we got in the youth setup in that slot? Anyone?
 
It gets even more curious. The player who is, on paper at least, our young reserve left back, Joe Maguire, is now being either left on the bench or asked to fill-in at CB, while Connor Randall, a right back, has played at left back.

Now I know it's early in the season and all kinds of things could be happening - maybe there were injuries, maybe potential loan clubs wanted another look at Randall so they just bunged him on there for a couple of games - but you'd surely think, if you do have a conventional LB in your reserves, given the situation, you'd be playing him regularly there to see if he has any chance at all to challenge Moreno, or at least cover for him in an emergency.
 
Don't really like the idea but guess we don't have much of a choice now....

Not really warming to some of the decisions Klopp is making here I have to be honest.

LB issue and now the whole Sakho fiasco.
 
It gets even more curious. The player who is, on paper at least, our young reserve left back, Joe Maguire, is now being either left on the bench or asked to fill-in at CB, while Connor Randall, a right back, has played at left back.

Now I know it's early in the season and all kinds of things could be happening - maybe there were injuries, maybe potential loan clubs wanted another look at Randall so they just bunged him on there for a couple of games - but you'd surely think, if you do have a conventional LB in your reserves, given the situation, you'd be playing him regularly there to see if he has any chance at all to challenge Moreno, or at least cover for him in an emergency.

This points to the fact that Klopp sees the full-back position a bit differently from most managers. "Defensive full-backs", which most of the CB/FB players are, are not really his thing – throughout his coaching career when faced with a FB shortage he played a CM there rather than a CB. So apparently the likes of Maguire and Flanno are not the kind of full-backs Klopp likes, whereas Randall or Trent Alexander-Arnold (who is tellingly both a CM and a FB by trade) are. I think Randall played as a CM in one of the pre-season games too. So you can see why Milner checks a lot of the boxes for him in that position.

At least Klopp is less radical in that respect than Guardiola, who turns all the modern position specialization on its head.
 
Going into the new season with Moreno, who's been universally judged as not good enough, as our only LB is a complete joke.

It's already cost us. Milner tried to play offside against Spurs, it didn't work, he was out of position and it led to goal. Milner can and will do a job there, but he should be in midfield competing for Henderson, Lallana and Wijnaldum positions.

Regrettably Klopps decision has dented my belief he will have us competing for anything this season, and raises serious questions about our summer transfer activity yet again.
 
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When are we expecting Joe Gomez back? He's the man to save the day.
Another month .. and then another 2-3 months to get back up to speed after a year out (the same reason Klopp has given for Ings' continued absence from the bench).
 
Previously shared this link of an article about Erik Durm whom Klopp converted as a full back.

http://bundesligafanatic.com/how-erik-durm-has-benefitted-from-borussia-dortmunds-defensive-crisis/

Abstract:
[article]After an initial spell in his preferred role as a striker, Durm then flitted between playing as a left midfielder and as a winger. It wasn’t until he had a chat with Jürgen Klopp after a training session with the first team towards the end of the last campaign that the idea of becoming a full back was put to him.

As Durm explained in an interview with SPOX in September, as long as it meant he could play in the Bundesliga, it was no problem at all. Klopp explained the potential he saw in him as a right back but added that he should think it through carefully. For Durm though, it was just too tantalising a proposition.

His retraining began when he arrived back for preseason as the 21-year-old watched and analysed video sequences cut together for him of the team’s first choice full backs, Marcel Schmelzer and Lukasz Piszczek. This learning was enhanced by playing in the position in training and in pre-season friendlies but SPOX were interested see if Durm knew off by heart what Jürgen Klopp wants from his right backs – which he did.

“Of course – there are a couple of bullet points which I can mention. If the ball is on the left hand side, always orientate yourself on where the back line stands. After gaining possession, quickly get to a position high up the pitch in order to be able to participate in the attacking play. Then there are a couple of other things like hesitating and attacking but those things are left to intuition and it also depends on the current situation on the pitch.”

Durm’s response is testament to the meticulous preparation of Jürgen Klopp but also to his own work in being able to get up to speed. It was in fact the 21-year-old’s speed on the pitch along with his stamina that led to Klopp approaching him in the summer. With each player’s progress closely monitored, Klopp was encouraged by Durm’s impressive numbers when it came to his pace and stamina as he’d then prove once more in pre-season where he showed himself as the fittest player in the squad.

Physically speaking, Klopp described him as “the most extraordinary player we have,” not just in his endurance but with his pace too. Given how much he likes his full backs to run, you can understand his excitement in finding a player such as Durm. [/article]
 
Previously shared this link of an article about Erik Durm whom Klopp converted as a full back.

http://bundesligafanatic.com/how-erik-durm-has-benefitted-from-borussia-dortmunds-defensive-crisis/

Abstract:
[article]After an initial spell in his preferred role as a striker, Durm then flitted between playing as a left midfielder and as a winger. It wasn’t until he had a chat with Jürgen Klopp after a training session with the first team towards the end of the last campaign that the idea of becoming a full back was put to him.

As Durm explained in an interview with SPOX in September, as long as it meant he could play in the Bundesliga, it was no problem at all. Klopp explained the potential he saw in him as a right back but added that he should think it through carefully. For Durm though, it was just too tantalising a proposition.

His retraining began when he arrived back for preseason as the 21-year-old watched and analysed video sequences cut together for him of the team’s first choice full backs, Marcel Schmelzer and Lukasz Piszczek. This learning was enhanced by playing in the position in training and in pre-season friendlies but SPOX were interested see if Durm knew off by heart what Jürgen Klopp wants from his right backs – which he did.

“Of course – there are a couple of bullet points which I can mention. If the ball is on the left hand side, always orientate yourself on where the back line stands. After gaining possession, quickly get to a position high up the pitch in order to be able to participate in the attacking play. Then there are a couple of other things like hesitating and attacking but those things are left to intuition and it also depends on the current situation on the pitch.”

Durm’s response is testament to the meticulous preparation of Jürgen Klopp but also to his own work in being able to get up to speed. It was in fact the 21-year-old’s speed on the pitch along with his stamina that led to Klopp approaching him in the summer. With each player’s progress closely monitored, Klopp was encouraged by Durm’s impressive numbers when it came to his pace and stamina as he’d then prove once more in pre-season where he showed himself as the fittest player in the squad.

Physically speaking, Klopp described him as “the most extraordinary player we have,” not just in his endurance but with his pace too. Given how much he likes his full backs to run, you can understand his excitement in finding a player such as Durm. [/article]

Interesting quotes, thanks Binny.

This point:

“Of course – there are a couple of bullet points which I can mention. If the ball is on the left hand side, always orientate yourself on where the back line stands. After gaining possession, quickly get to a position high up the pitch in order to be able to participate in the attacking play. Then there are a couple of other things like hesitating and attacking but those things are left to intuition and it also depends on the current situation on the pitch.”

describes the good and the bad of Moreno perfectly! Brilliant at pushing up the pitch at pace to join the attack, not so good at the knowing when to go and when to stay part though.
 
Interesting quotes, thanks Binny.

This point:

describes the good and the bad of Moreno perfectly! Brilliant at pushing up the pitch at pace to join the attack, not so good at the knowing when to go and when to stay part though.
And what to do when he gets there .... because he hardly has the cross completion or assists stats to go with this supposed attacking prowess (some blame to be apportioned to the receivers of course).
 
In fairness that's not all his fault though. I don't have the stats in front of me but I'm pretty sure he was reported to have laid on more chances than any other Prem defender last season, even though he still has too many defensive brainfarts for my liking.
 
Most chances in any of the top leagues, not just the Premiership. Some German bloke was second. Hector something or other.
 
And what to do when he gets there .... because he hardly has the cross completion or assists stats to go with this supposed attacking prowess (some blame to be apportioned to the receivers of course).

I agree. He can be effective in the attack - the goal against Tottenham is a good example - but it doesn't happen often enough.

Maybe I'm being a misty-eyed and rose-tinted here, but if he could channel a bit more of Riise in his pomp I think we'd have a very effective "Kloppo-type" left back. Shame, because I can't see that happening.
 
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