• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Origi

Forums Unread posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
He certainly played well - made intelligent runs, held the ball up well, great finish.

Although, important to note it was against Dortmund who play a more open brand of football - they leave spaces and room for the opposition attack to move into ... and it was good to see Origi take advantage of that.

Very interested to see how he progresses and his performances against sides that sit back & stay tight.
 
I dont mind admitting I was skeptical based on his first 6 months but he does look a totally different player since the turn of the year. I said after the first leg against Man U that he had put into a fantastic cameo as a sub running himself ragged to ensure they could never launch a simple attack and hes improved every time ive seen him since. What impressed me most about him tonight was his maturity, his head never dropped when it looked like we were out of it and he played the lone striker role like a guy 5 or 6 years more experienced. I dont think hes even really played that role before the first Dortmund game. Even the goal, which was a huge moment in his career, instead of celebrating and milking the applause he was straight in picking up the ball to start again and barging Hummels out of his way in the process. Massive night for him, there are plenty of young players out there with talent, what managers want to see is players who can learn and take on new instructions. Hes learning faster than Johnny 5, we may have a serious player on our hands.
 
Always had hope for him when I saw what he did at the world cup but had to question things a bit after his disastrous season in France.

I really love everything about him as a player right now though.

Pace, power, finishing, hold up play, aerial ability, movement without the ball, attitude, work rate...the list goes on.

That toe poke finish was quality, caught Wiedenfeller off guard, a player who has seen everything over the years.
 
He's the perfect player to work with, on the face of things. Pace, power and he's starting to find the net more regularly. It's rare you get all that in a 19yr old who also has his head on his shoulders and seems an intelligent and grounded person.
 
I was hugely skeptical of him early the season. I just couldn't see what qualities he had. He was slight and rangy and his touch was poor. It's great being wrong sometimes. He's been exceptional the last few weeks. His finish last night was so quick and clever and his all round work rate and contribution was immense. Add that to his performance in Dortmund and he's a big part of why we are in the semi final. If he continues to learn and develop we could have a serious player here.
 
When Sterling won that Golden boy award for best young player in Europe Origi was second in the list. He's always been good but making the transition to the Premiership has seem some really good players abroad fail when they get here.
 
There's one thing which hasn't been much commented on yet but which I'm starting to see in Origi, and that's killer instinct. Something about the way he carries himself out there suggests to me that he's got something of the stone-cold assassin about him. You want that in a striker. Me likey.
 
Judge Jules said:
There's one thing which hasn't been much commented on yet but which I'm starting to see in Origi, and that's killer instinct. Something about the way he carries himself out there suggests to me that he's got something of the stone-cold assassin about him. You want that in a striker. Me likey.
Click to expand...

He missed a few half chances today. A better finisher would have tested the keeper at least. In the 4-1 win he had a header which he flashed terribly wide when he was unmarked. His finishing is not all there and could turn out to be his biggest weakness if any.
 
Wouldn't disagree with most of that, which is why I said "starting to see". I was referring more to his mental attitude, which makes him unafraid to have a go even at such a young age. The bit I do disagree with is the reference to his possible "biggest weakness" which, given that the guy's still only 20, is way previous IMO.
 
When he first came I couldn't see a decent footballer in him, just a waste of money on another starlet. Fair play to the lad, he's improved massively in a short space of time.
 
Squiggles said:
I don't think the big turnaround story is that accurate. Sure he had an average to poor year in France, but it's rare for any youngster to be playing so regularly at that age so it's no big deal.

He had certainly grown and developed since joining LFC though and you can see an improvement week in, week out. His strength, positioning and technical ability have been showcased in the last few weeks and he's started adding the goals I doubted he was capable of. To be putting in performances like that, against teams as good as Dortmund as his age is impressive. We could have a special player on our hands in Divock.
Click to expand...
Apologies, but that is total fucking rubbish.

He got voted into the Ligue 1 shithouses of the year at a canter, and then looked completely non-descript earlier this season for us, when it was totally unclear what he had to offer. There was then the revelation at St Mary's, but even after that people were saying that for all his effort he didn't really pose a goal threat. His recent form has really shut that down (for the time being) and he was completely fucking monstrous against Dortmund, with a performance way above his years, and on an entirely different planet to what he looked like he could produce at the start of the year.

If that's not a turnaround then nothing is.
 
Grjt2 said:
Apologies, but that is total fucking rubbish.

He got voted into the Ligue 1 shithouses of the year at a canter, and then looked completely non-descript earlier this season for us, when it was totally unclear what he had to offer. There was then the revelation at St Mary's, but even after that people were saying that for all his effort he didn't really pose a goal threat. His recent form has really shut that down (for the time being) and he was completely fucking monstrous against Dortmund, with a performance way above his years, and on an entirely different planet to what he looked like he could produce at the start of the year.

If that's not a turnaround then nothing is.
Click to expand...

I think you need to be a bit careful accusing people of talking 'total fucking rubbish'; allow me to kindly explain why.

The 'worst team of the year' you refer to him 'cantering' into, is a newspaper creation for a start. And let's look at the facts; he actually scored MORE goals in that 'worst' year than he did in his previous season, in which he was starting to be recognised as a young player with potential. Which was rewarded by a call- up by Belgium for the World Cup at the age of 19, and an award for best young Belgian sportsperson. Where's the turnaround from there?

So that all seems rather odd. Perhaps the L'Equipe criticism is a little bit of jealousy and spite, given that as soon as his talents had been recognised at Lille, he had offers from Germany, Spain and England (including Spurs), and he decided to leave France. The loan back to Lille rather left him a sitting duck for French football journalists and Lille fans, ready to jump all over him for having the temerity to leave after just one season. Plus he was left as essentially their ONLY attacking option for much of the season.

So, like most young players, he's had some fluctuations in form and been inconsistent, and has been both praised, rewarded and lauded, as well as criticised and castigated, at least twice in his very short career so far. Any 'turn around' has been actually just been a lack of consistency

And any future poor periods or lack of form, or lack of goals, probably isn't another 'turnaround' either, just so you know.

*tips hat*
 
manwithnoname said:
I think you need to be a bit careful accusing people of talking 'total fucking rubbish'; allow me to kindly explain why.

The 'worst team of the year' you refer to him 'cantering' into, is a newspaper creation for a start. And let's look at the facts; he actually scored MORE goals in that 'worst' year than he did in his previous season, in which he was starting to be recognised as a young player with potential. Which was rewarded by a call- up by Belgium for the World Cup at the age of 19, and an award for best young Belgian sportsperson. Where's the turnaround from there?

So that all seems rather odd. Perhaps the L'Equipe criticism is a little bit of jealousy and spite, given that as soon as his talents had been recognised at Lille, he had offers from Germany, Spain and England (including Spurs), and he decided to leave France. The loan back to Lille rather left him a sitting duck for French football journalists and Lille fans, ready to jump all over him for having the temerity to leave after just one season. Plus he was left as essentially their ONLY attacking option for much of the season.

So, like most young players, he's had some fluctuations in form and been inconsistent, and has been both praised, rewarded and lauded, as well as criticised and castigated, at least twice in his very short career so far. Any 'turn around' has been actually just been a lack of consistency

And any future poor periods or lack of form, or lack of goals, probably isn't another 'turnaround' either, just so you know.

*tips hat*
Click to expand...

It's not some tin pot awards piece as youre implying; it's THE sports publication in France deciding upon the best and worst over a year based on per game ratings. So everyone that marked Origi out of 10 last season was part of some master plan from l'equipe based out of "jealousy and spite"? Interesting. Is that the joined up and concerted way in which all big newspaper institutions work? I didn't realise that's the way things went. Because if that's the case, absolutely everyone at The Lying Rag and News International is clearly a massive, massive cunt then, for obvious reasons.

Oh and it must have been lack of consistency you've been referring to all these weeks when you've been saying we should pick Sturridge because Origi simply doesn't score goals/isn't a goal threat?

Strange. There must have been something of a "turnaround" in your personal opinion.
 
Last edited:
Grjt2 said:
It's not some tin pot awards piece as youre implying; it's THE sports publication in France deciding upon the best and worst over a year based on per game ratings. So everyone that marked Origi out of 10 last season was part of some master plan from l'equipe based out of "jealousy and spite"? Interesting. Is that the joined up and concerted way in which all big newspaper institutions work? I didn't realise that's the way things went. Because if that's the case, absolutely everyone at The Lying Rag and News International is clearly a massive, massive cunt then, for obvious reasons.

Oh and it must have been lack of consistency you've been referring to all these weeks when you've been saying we should pick Sturridge because Origi simply doesn't score goals/isn't a goal threat?

Strange. There must have been something of a "turnaround" in your personal opinion.
Click to expand...

Oh dear. Another who doesn't like polite, constructive, entirely valid and accurate criticism.

Take a deep breath and just .....relax. Better? OK, here's the salient points I wish you to address, or at the very least think about:

This 'turnaround'. Assuming we have just witnessed one, would you agree that it isn't the first 'turnaround' he's actually had? Because the season in which he was voted into the worst team in Ligue One by a newspaper, was preceded by one in which he played well enough to break into the Belgium team.

Or was that an even earlier turnaround?

What's even more weird is that he actually scored more goals in this 'worst ever' season than the previous one, so maybe it's hard to work out where the turnaround actually starts? Was it at the point he played for Belgium in the World Cup as a teenager?

You seem to think what we are witnessing here is his definitive turnaround, as if he hasn't actually been widely courted by many clubs, broke into his national team, and got a 10m move to Liverpool by being totally, irredeemably shit, only for Klopp to magically turn this hopeless, unknown tragic figure into an actual footballer?

I picked you up on it because, not for the first time, you jump on something, say something incorrect, overreact, and then get all angry and confused when someone has to try and sort it out.

Your post to Squiggles was a perfect example, as he quite rightly speculated - without outlining the facts I've just furnished you with - that it might be more an example of a very young player displaying all the ups and downs that being a young player entails, involving a series of displays that are not very consistent, rather than an amazing, definitive turnaround that you so simplistically insist upon.

People are just trying to help you Grjt, we want you to turn this around. Let us help you. You're better than this.
 
Not at all Brendan, but thanks for your "help".

To suggest Origis form last year, and the start of this, didn't put him in very real danger of being an also-ran (at least in the short-medium term) is, in my opinion, incorrect - and more importantly doesn't give the lad the credit he deserves or recognise the work that must have gone into his current performances.

For my sins I saw a chunk of French football last year, and on the occasions I saw Origi he was dreadful, really dreadful. In total he went 17 games without scoring, and ended up getting less less 1 in 4. There are plenty of players who have had very promising tournaments and then produced fuck all off the back of it, and there were more than a few supporters questioning what he was going to bring to us this year.

So, just for you, I'll drop "turnaround", and simply state that the performance on Thursday was so mature, and so good, that if you'd questioned fans at the beginning of the year for the striker who was putting it in, the vast majority would have said "Benteke; I hope that's what we've paid 30 million for". Instead it was a young chap, 4th choice striker at the beginning of the year, and with many many doubters, who has given some very hopeful signs of becoming a top player for us.
 
I don't have any prior experience of him. I may have watched him once by accident at Lille.

I've been very impressed with his last two displays. But unlike many others, I wasn't all that impressed with much else (apart from the Southampton cup tie).

My first impressions seemed to be that for all his energy and running, he wasn't a very good finisher. But if he improves and keeps on scoring, then we shall see.

He's still relatively young and quite inexperienced. But I still don't see a reliable 20 goals in him, not yet
 
He was never shit, just mentally weak and afraid. I wanted him to be beaten with a belt to sort him out, but a few hugs seem to have done the trick just as well.
 
manwithnoname said:
Oh dear. Another who doesn't like polite, constructive, entirely valid and accurate criticism.

Take a deep breath and just .....relax. Better? OK, here's the salient points I wish you to address, or at the very least think about:

This 'turnaround'. Assuming we have just witnessed one, would you agree that it isn't the first 'turnaround' he's actually had? Because the season in which he was voted into the worst team in Ligue One by a newspaper, was preceded by one in which he played well enough to break into the Belgium team.

Or was that an even earlier turnaround?

What's even more weird is that he actually scored more goals in this 'worst ever' season than the previous one, so maybe it's hard to work out where the turnaround actually starts? Was it at the point he played for Belgium in the World Cup as a teenager?

You seem to think what we are witnessing here is his definitive turnaround, as if he hasn't actually been widely courted by many clubs, broke into his national team, and got a 10m move to Liverpool by being totally, irredeemably shit, only for Klopp to magically turn this hopeless, unknown tragic figure into an actual footballer?

I picked you up on it because, not for the first time, you jump on something, say something incorrect, overreact, and then get all angry and confused when someone has to try and sort it out.

Your post to Squiggles was a perfect example, as he quite rightly speculated - without outlining the facts I've just furnished you with - that it might be more an example of a very young player displaying all the ups and downs that being a young player entails, involving a series of displays that are not very consistent, rather than an amazing, definitive turnaround that you so simplistically insist upon.

People are just trying to help you Grjt, we want you to turn this around. Let us help you. You're better than this.
Click to expand...


Such impressive Self control. With a little "over the ball" moment at the end of the tackle that the referee didn't see.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

the count
Are we the Cunts..........................
Replies
8
Views
419
Whaddapie
Whaddapie
localny
    • Angry
    • Glum
Ticket Fraud @ Liverpool FC
Replies
17
Views
442
Dreambeliever
Dreambeliever
Squiggles
    • Like
  • Locked
05/10/2024 - Weeks Other Games Thread
2 3
Replies
60
Views
1K
rubans
rubans
Squiggles
    • Like
  • Locked
Other PL Games 24-25/08/2024
2 3 4 5 6
Replies
156
Views
3K
CueEye
C
rurikbird
    • Like
  • Locked
Halfway point review and ratings
2
Replies
55
Views
2K
doctor_mac
doctor_mac
Back
Top Bottom