Not another Rafa thread

[Modo]

First and foremost I'd like to say that this isn't a "Rodgers out" thread.
I believe that he's somewhat of a victim here considering how the club was handled during previous regimes and therefore I'm willing to give him time.
That said....

Would this summer have turned out any differently if Rafa got the job?
What I mean is would the same players be offloaded?
Would we only have one player coming in, so far?
Would we have done better in the games we played, so far?

I think it's pretty known that Rafa was my first choice when the job was up for grabs. Well he was ahead of Martinez and Rodgers and maybe on par with Van Gaal.

I also know that Rafa had a policy of identifying and signing players as early as possible which probably would have meant that there would have been more activity in June/July.
He also signed bosman players as well, something we haven't pursued this summer.

I'm going out on limb here but I do somehow feel that most fans would be more mellow if Rafa was in charge.

 

[localny]

Rafa made some amazing screw-ups, but also some great successes. With him, you get both, but IMHO the pros outweigh the cons. Others will see different. I definitely would have more faith that the good times would be back, with him in charge. But, we may never know.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

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[Whaddapie]

I'm glad this isn't a "Rodgers Out" thread. It might be a little early for that. Let's see where we are in September, eh?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Translation, "Maybe Rafa would have kept Aquilani, the player that was the beginning of the end of him."

 

[Modo]

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Really? Mr Rafa4PM.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Hansern]

The last thing I want to think about now is Rafa. Sorry Modo.

But, the man did a very good job for us there is no doubt about that. I feel though that his final year and transfer dealings after Pako was not up to standard. Should never have hired Macia as he scouted Voronin, Jovanovic, Degen, Dossena and Aquilani. 5 horrible shite signings that could have been spent much much better.

The Robbie Keane and Barry stuff was also horrendous. I'll never forgive him for not signing a replacement for Keane. I still think we could have won the league had we signed another striker in january.

 

[Modo]

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OK then, I guess you're Brendan4PM now.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

i (and probably quite a few other liverpool fans) tend to romanticize rafas time with us, only remembering his success, but ultimately he was the master of his own downfall, in hindsight it was the right time for him to go, replacing him with hodgson was obviously a mistake but thats a whole other shitty thread

 

[Whaddapie]

The last thing I want to think about now is Rafa. Sorry Modo.

But, the man did a very good job for us there is no doubt about that. I feel though that his final year and transfer dealings after Pako was not up to standard. Should never have hired Macia as he scouted Voronin, Jovanovic, Degen, Dossena and Aquilani. 5 horrible shite signings that could have been spent much much better.

The Robbie Keane and Barry stuff was also horrendous. I'll never forgive him for not signing a replacement for Keane. I still think we could should have won the league had we signed another striker in january.

Fixed that for you, mate.

 

[themn]

*checks the year*

 

[peterhague]

Is this thread really necessary? Yes there have been disagreements in the past but now everyone pretty much accepts he did a great job with very little money, and most of those who slated him will happily concede they were just acting like spoilt brats. I can just see this thread winding a lot of people up unnecessarily if I'm honest - better just to move on.

 

[Whaddapie]

Is this thread really necessary? Yes there have been disagreements in the past but now everyone pretty much accepts he did a great job with very little money, and most of those who slated him will happily concede they were just acting like spoilt brats. I can just see this thread winding a lot of people up unnecessarily if I'm honest - better just to move on.

What? Don't think so.

 

[themn]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkW_ZkMtmlQ

 

[Modo]

The last thing I want to think about now is Rafa. Sorry Modo.

But, the man did a very good job for us there is no doubt about that. I feel though that his final year and transfer dealings after Pako was not up to standard. Should never have hired Macia as he scouted Voronin, Jovanovic, Degen, Dossena and Aquilani. 5 horrible shite signings that could have been spent much much better.

The Robbie Keane and Barry stuff was also horrendous. I'll never forgive him for not signing a replacement for Keane. I still think we could have won the league had we signed another striker in january.

But despite all that we only looked out of sorts in his last season. Maybe it was a dip or maybe it was the culmination of his stint here, we'll never know.
What I do know is that his predecessors made it even worse and as it stands, three seasons later his players, except Suarez, are still the core of this team. Am I wrong?
And his youth signings, Suso, Sterling, Shelvey are arguably our next gen.

 

[peterhague]

What? Don't think so.

Of course they would mate!!! They might have seemed like laughably shortsighted ungrateful cunts at the time but let's be fair, most aren't really, and have learnt from their mistakes. Time to move on and stop opening old wounds. 🙂

 

[Whaddapie]

Of course they would mate!!! They might have seemed like laughably shortsighted ungrateful cunts at the time but let's be fair, most aren't really, and have learnt from their mistakes. Time to move on and stop opening old wounds. 🙂

Are you taking the piss, Pete?

 

[peterhague]

Me?!?!?!

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Is this thread really necessary? Yes there have been disagreements in the past but now everyone pretty much accepts he did a great job with very little money, and most of those who slated him will happily concede they were just acting like spoilt brats. I can just see this thread winding a lot of people up unnecessarily if I'm honest - better just to move on.

Little money? oh come on ... He had a lot of money, and did a phenomenal job in Europe and had a few fantastic league runs (where his stubbornness re: Keane etc cost us a league title). No one will forget 25.5.05, or the run to Athens. The FA Cup. He did much good.

That being said, we must be honest - A lot of the shit we're dealing with is due to his ridiculous signings near the end of his term, where he spent silly amounts on pathetic freebies (Jovavnovic, Vornin, Degen etc) and bought really poorly (Aquilani etc). He also ensured we'd lose Xabi Alonso with his odd pursuit of Barry.

A very good manager who I think was his own worst enemy. He could have easily become a legend here - he had the resources and talent.

 

[Whaddapie]

This.

This should be the last post on this site about Rafa.

Ever.

 

[Hansern]

The net spend average for the two season after Rafa is actually lower than what Rafa used to average pr year.

 

[Modo]

Little money? oh come on ... He had a lot of money, and did a phenomenal job in Europe and had a few fantastic league runs (where his stubbornness re: Keane etc cost us a league title). No one will forget 25.5.05, or the run to Athens. The FA Cup. He did much good.

That being said, we must be honest - A lot of the shit we're dealing with is due to his ridiculous signings near the end of his term, where he spent silly amounts on pathetic freebies (Jovavnovic, Vornin, Degen etc) and bought really poorly (Aquilani etc). He also ensured we'd lose Xabi Alonso with his odd pursuit of Barry.

A very good manager who I think was his own worst enemy. He could have easily become a legend here - he had the resources and talent.

I agree with everything, even the Aquilani part, but not the last part.
He is a legend already IMO.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I agree with everything, even the Aquilani part, but not the last part.
He is a legend already IMO.

Legends are Watson, Shanks, Bob, Fagan & Kenny (1st stint only Ryan). I don't think Rafa belongs in their class ... Mind you, he's still excellent.

 

[Modo]

Legends are Watson, Shanks, Bob, Fagan & Kenny (1st stint only Ryan). I don't think Rafa belongs in their class ... Mind you, he's still excellent.

The only difference between Fagan and Rafa is that he won the league, also Fagan inherited a title winning team and a European cup winning team.
So if Fagan is there, so should Rafa IMO.
School me on this if I'm wrong.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

It's an opinion, so it can't be wrong.

 

[Whaddapie]

I was one of his biggest critics at the end, but anybody who can take a team that consists of Djimi Traore and Igor Biscan and win the European Cup with them is a legend!

 

[Judge Jules]

It's an opinion, so it can't be wrong.

Yes, it can. I don't think this one is though.

 

[Avmenon]

I'm pretty sure this thread will resurface everytime a Liverpool manager has a torrid time.

 

[Rosco]

Yes, Rafa would have done things differently.

I haven't yet decided what route to go on this yet but I'll return to it