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Well, there's something you don't see every day. If there were some chastening lessons for Manchester City in the course of one of the more overwhelming 3-1 home defeats you are likely to see, there is perhaps some consolation in both the extent and the nature of Bayern's superiority in a decisive opening hour.

Frankly there were lessons here for everyone as Bayern produced an alluringly controlled exhibition of football from the near-future, tactically and technically beyond the reach of City's Champions League work-in-progress, despite a spirited late rally.

It was a pointed kind of superiority too. There were those who questioned what Pep Guardiola could do to refine this team, but the answer was here in flashes. Bayern's midfield, headed by Thomas Müller in a roving lone striker role, was irresistible at times. This was Bayern, but a little more so, Bayern with added swarm.
If the success under Jupp Heynckes was based around the imposing rhythms of that thrummingly high-spec midfield, this was never likely to be diluted under Guardiola, who in his wonder years at Barcelona finessed the idea that football is now a sport of midfielders, the best teams comprised almost entirely of a collection of strolling mini-generals.

This is the thing about this Bayern team: they do not just want to score more goals than you, they want to out-run and out-pass you through the centre of the pitch. The opposition are not simply beaten: they are Bayerned – and City were at times entirely Bayerned as for long periods the German champions played a de facto eight-man midfield, with both full-backs imperiously pushed on and the revolving bank of red shirts pushed right up on to City's defence.

It is a relentless style City themselves have employed successfully at times, most recently in this stadium against Manchester United. With that memory still fresh the contrast was stark here as Bayern's midfield did to City's midfield what City's midfield had done to United's, depriving them of the ball, moving into space with a fearsomely well-grooved sense of purpose, and generally out-muscling a midfield that had looked pretty much un-musclable against the English champions two weeks ago.

This was City's fate in the first half, with Yaya Touré in particular bypassed. Touré remains a coveted presence in the Premier League, a great clanking Iron Man of a midfielder, whether employed in his galloping forward-destroyer mode or as a box-to-box all-rounder. Here was an opportunity for the Premier League's own Gulliver to stand up to the Bayern machine, and perhaps to prey on a slightly less tigerish midfield deprived of Javi Martinez.

Fat chance. It was startling to see the Ivorian so obviously uncomfortable, lurching sideways in search of the ball, repeatedly harried in possession and outmanoeuvred by Philipp Lahm, who was again exceptional in his converted central role. Plus, of course, there was a Guardiola-flavoured surprise further forward as Müller – attacking midfielder, scruffy-haired wanderer and self-coined "Space Investigator" – played as a central striker. Albeit, as ever with Müller this was a quirkily nuanced version, some way short of the flailing medieval target-man more familiar on these shores, and not quite a false nine either.

At first Müller dropped deep, wandering on to the flanks and at times simply mooching around in an offside position, skinny-legged and awkward, like a jogger accidentally strayed on to the pitch. Later, though, he produced some moments of classy orthodox centre-forward play, emerging as the outstanding player on the pitch and, as ever, a standard bearer for brain over brawn at the highest level.

It was one of Müller's sudden bursts of activity that helped to create the space that led to Bayern's first goal. With Gaël Clichy drawn inside by Müller's spin, Rafinha had time to find Franck Ribéry with a crossfield pass. His shot was well struck but Hart should have saved it. Bayern don't need a goal's start, but here they were presented with a floppy-wristed goalkeeping welcome basket.

City drew breath amid a familiar sense of red-shirted suffocation, accompanied, as if to rub it in, by repeated chidings from Guardiola on the sidelines, Bayern's manager demanding an ever higher passing tempo, a more palpable sense of supremacy. To their credit City resisted, gaining something of a foothold in the match either side of half time and pulling a goal back near the end though Alvaro Negredo.

It was Müller who killed the game on 56 minutes with a horribly simple goal. On this occasion it was the space between Clichy's ears that theRaumdeuter chose to investigate, making a diagonal run past City's left-back, who simply watched him go, and nudging the simplest of long passes past Hart and into the net. For City there was no disgrace in losing to a Bayern team who may or may not retain their European crown, but who looked at the Etihad like champions whose strengths have, if anything, been sharpened and refined.
This was an interesting point (the bolded bit) about Midfield that was brought up in conversation on Sky Sports News this morning but only briefly discussed.

So, I wanted more of an opinion on it, the point that was made was, the fact that great teams these days have an imposing midfield who control the centre of the pitch, and in essence control the game.

Now with Stevie and Lucas, are we ever going to have a team of an imposing midfield?

If not, who do we buy? Should we even be trying to implement this?
 
Stevie G and Lucas are not the answer. Add Alonso in there and we have a chance. Although lucas is showing improved form of late, we need a better player there and Stevie isn't what he used to be.
 
Stevie G and Lucas are not the answer. Add Alonso in there and we have a chance. Although lucas is showing improved form of late, we need a better player there and Stevie isn't what he used to be.

I wouldn't even say alonso is the answer either, he's not exactly the most mobile. The mobility and fluidity of the bayern team tore city a new one.
 
This is no new discovery of ideology.

Many teams throughout the history of the game have placed their utmost importance in building the foundation of their teams on a strong and powerful midfield.

A few that come to mind are :-

  • Portugal (national team) of the 21st century era - the one with the golden generation of players in the likes of Figo, Maniche, Deco, Costinha, Paulo Sousa, Sergio Conceicao, Joao Pinto, Paulo Bento, etc. Their only Achilles's heal was probably a lack of a world-class striker, that let them down when it mattered most. But when their midfield gelled, they dominated and played many top teams off the park.
  • The England team of Euro 96 under Terry Venables. Arguably one of the best England team of the last 2 decades. They employed a 3-5-2 and had a midfield that could score and make goals with ease. Of course, having a fired-up Gazza helped tremendously.

  • AC Milan under Arrigo Sacchi. With a team built around Gullit, Rijkaard, Donadoni, Ancelotti, with Baresi playing the firstly-coined 'libero' role, they obliterated everything on their way to 2 consecutive European Cups. It was also the time when 4-4-2 was first fashioned to devastating effect. Btw, Guardiola wasn't the first who setup his teams to set the tempo and press their opponents. Sacchi's Milan team had always played with this mindset. When they lost possession, the whole team would press high up the pitch to win the ball back as quickly as possible.

    • Milan under Capello was equally powerful too. Their midfield boasted the likes of Desailly, Savicevic, Albertini, Lentini (when fit), Jean-Pierre Papin, Brian Laudrup, Boban, Massaro......i could spend an entire day just to write about the formation and tactics used by Capello especially the way he utilized his midfielders to control and dominate games. Capello was a firm believer of 'win the midfield area of the park, you win the game'.
 
This is no new discovery of ideology.

Many teams throughout the history of the game have placed their utmost importance in building the foundation of their teams on a strong and powerful midfield.

A few that come to mind are :-

  • Portugal (national team) of the 21st century era - the one with the golden generation of players in the likes of Figo, Maniche, Deco, Costinha, Paulo Sousa, Sergio Conceicao, Joao Pinto, Paulo Bento, etc. Their only Achilles's heal was probably a lack of a world-class striker, that let them down when it mattered most. But when their midfield gelled, they dominated and played many top teams off the park.
  • The England team of Euro 96 under Terry Venables. Arguably one of the best England team of the last 2 decades. They employed a 3-5-2 and had a midfield that could score and make goals with ease. Of course, having a fired-up Gazza helped tremendously.

  • AC Milan under Arrigo Sacchi. With a team built around Gullit, Rijkaard, Donadoni, Ancelotti, with Baresi playing the firstly-coined 'libero' role, they obliterated everything on their way to 2 consecutive European Cups. It was also the time when 4-4-2 was first fashioned to devastating effect. Btw, Guardiola wasn't the first who setup his teams to set the tempo and press their opponents. Sacchi's Milan team had always played with this mindset. When they lost possession, the whole team would press high up the pitch to win the ball back as quickly as possible.

    • Milan under Capello was equally powerful too. Their midfield boasted the likes of Desailly, Savicevic, Albertini, Lentini (when fit), Jean-Pierre Papin, Brian Laudrup, Boban, Massaro......i could spend an entire day just to write about the formation and tactics used by Capello especially the way he utilized his midfielders to control and dominate games. Capello was a firm believer of 'win the midfield area of the park, you win the game'.

Ok, so we should be doing it? Can we do it with the players we have, if not, who do we buy?

How can we make it work?
 
The problem with our midfielders are that they are too 1 dimensional. When opponents press, they lay it off quickly, most of the time backwards, inviting more pressure. No one has the skills (or balls) to try a trick, skip past a player and move/pass forward, it's always backwards or sideways. The worst thing is, our opponents know this.

Who are our best players now? Coutinho, Sturridge, Suarez. No surprise that they all have the skills to hold onto the ball and go past players. Why is Gerrard becoming worse? He lost this ability. Why is Lucas always "shite"? He never had this ability.
 
    • Milan under Capello was equally powerful too. Their midfield boasted the likes of Desailly, Savicevic, Albertini, Lentini (when fit), Jean-Pierre Papin, Brian Laudrup, Boban, Massaro......i could spend an entire day just to write about the formation and tactics used by Capello especially the way he utilized his midfielders to control and dominate games. Capello was a firm believer of 'win the midfield area of the park, you win the game'.

Interesting post mate but weren't Papin & Massaro strikers?
 
The problem with our midfielders are that they are too 1 dimensional. When opponents press, they lay it off quickly, most of the time backwards, inviting more pressure. No one has the skills (or balls) to try a trick, skip past a player and move/pass forward, it's always backwards or sideways. The worst thing is, our opponents know this.

Who are our best players now? Coutinho, Sturridge, Suarez. No surprise that they all have the skills to hold onto the ball and go past players. Why is Gerrard becoming worse? He lost this ability. Why is Lucas always "shite"? He never had this ability.


In principle you shouldn't need a midfielder to slalom up the field to relieve pressure. This system depends on people constantly moving and giving the passer options. It is the ability to receive the ball and immediately size up who is in space. You don't see Xavi dribbling all over the park. I think we are sometimes culpable of being too safe in choosing our passing options, passing back, instead of working the triangles around the midfield that characterised much of our play last season. It's strange, but the players seem to have regressed in their ability to play this kind of game. If we our braver in our passing and move it forward, then the pressing game for the opposition becomes much riskier, tiring, and ultimately fruitless. We need to start punishing teams for pressing us (something I think we actually did in the first half yesterday).
 
Rodgers said yesterday that we could be looking at playing a diamond 4-4-2 when everyones fit again.
I'm guessing it could be a 4-3-1-2
 
In principle you shouldn't need a midfielder to slalom up the field to relieve pressure. This system depends on people constantly moving and giving the passer options. It is the ability to receive the ball and immediately size up who is in space. You don't see Xavi dribbling all over the park. I think we are sometimes culpable of being too safe in choosing our passing options, passing back, instead of working the triangles around the midfield that characterised much of our play last season. It's strange, but the players seem to have regressed in their ability to play this kind of game. If we our braver in our passing and move it forward, then the pressing game for the opposition becomes much riskier, tiring, and ultimately fruitless. We need to start punishing teams for pressing us (something I think we actually did in the first half yesterday).
This I agree with, particularly the point about playing it safe and passing it back too often.
 
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