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Mane's form, again

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Where would Mane even go? Real Madrid has Vinicius in that coveted inside-left position and are also buying Mbappe. Barcelona just committed big money to Aubameyang. Bayern have Sane and in any case I don’t think their media profile is quite as big as the Spanish giants. PSG or Italy would be a step down in quality and much less likely to win big trophies.


He could also play on the right and whilst it wouldn't be the smartest move to invest that much money only to play him out of position, Real did it in the past with Bale.

Generally speaking though, yeah, it speaks to a wider "problem" now when it comes to us thinking of selling our players.

Unlike in the past, we're no longer a tier below the super clubs and in all but a few cases, it'd be a step down for our players... hard to be a sell to buy club when your market vanishes.
 
Where would Mane even go? Real Madrid has Vinicius in that coveted inside-left position and are also buying Mbappe. Barcelona just committed big money to Aubameyang. Bayern have Sane and in any case I don’t think their media profile is quite as big as the Spanish giants. PSG or Italy would be a step down in quality and much less likely to win big trophies.
He is 30, has one more big contract in him. Juve, Newcastle, Arse and PSG are all plausible contenders. If someone offered him £300k/week and a 4 year contract i don't think he is too fussed
 
He could also play on the right and whilst it wouldn't be the smartest move to invest that much money only to play him out of position, Real did it in the past with Bale.

Generally speaking though, yeah, it speaks to a wider "problem" now when it comes to us thinking of selling our players.

Unlike in the past, we're no longer a tier below the super clubs and in all but a few cases, it'd be a step down for our players... hard to be a sell to buy club when your market vanishes.

This is a really good point and why we may need to pivot to selling those players who don't quite make the cut, like possibly Neco and Jones and others of that status. To start accumulating young talent who can't displace our stars but are still quality players, the way City and Chelsea have.
 
Real and Chelsea both have academies that seems to churn out talent at an amazing rate. As seen in the other thread, Real aren't even in the top twenty for net spend, because they sell so many young players.

That's something we don't have, and maybe the club should invest in something like that.
 
This is a really good point and why we may need to pivot to selling those players who don't quite make the cut, like possibly Neco and Jones and others of that status. To start accumulating young talent who can't displace our stars but are still quality players, the way City and Chelsea have.

Also, Klopp seldom plays the players he doesn't rate, which means they don't get showcased.

Chelsea hyped up Tammy, Tomori and Zouma then let them go for a profit.
 
Also, Klopp seldom plays the players he doesn't rate, which means they don't get showcased.

Chelsea hyped up Tammy, Tomori and Zouma then let them go for a profit.

I don't recall any of the three getting much more game time than, say, Jones has. Abraham perhaps but they played him bc their big name strikers were failing.
 
I don't recall any of the three getting much more game time than, say, Jones has. Abraham perhaps but they played him bc their big name strikers were failing.

Think they hype them by getting them effective loans, something we struggle with.

Zouma looked better for Everton than Chelsea. Tomori played well in the championship. Tammy had a season on loan being great, and then continued it with Chelsea.
 
With Diaz coming in it puts Mane under pressure. Bobby lost his place, off and on to Jota. Jota is now an almost automatic choice.Mane now has a to fight for his place much more than he has had to. That's a positive for the Boss. Mane's form has been off and on for 2 years now so he can't moan if he gets dropped..( he will). Pressure on Diaz as well.All...good.
 
Also, Klopp seldom plays the players he doesn't rate, which means they don't get showcased.

Chelsea hyped up Tammy, Tomori and Zouma then let them go for a profit.

The main point, that Chelsea do great with their academy is totally right, but Tammy and Tomori only got in the side because they had a transfer ban. The minute they didn't Fat Frank spent 200 million on a load of shit and got sacked
 
Chelsea’s youth players get more “hype” whatever that means because on balance they are better players.
 
Real and Chelsea both have academies that seems to churn out talent at an amazing rate. As seen in the other thread, Real aren't even in the top twenty for net spend, because they sell so many young players.

That's something we don't have, and maybe the club should invest in something like that.
Haven't the rules just been changed to prevent this happening? Like letting 20 players go out on loan?
 
A big part of their success relies on stockpiling young talent and sending them out on loan. Now with the new FIFA loan restrictions, it will be interesting to see how they handle it.
Ah that's exactly what I was thinking of.
 
Having read the new regulations, Chelsea will be reasonably OK as homegrown players and players under 21 will be exempt from this rule.

Across Europe, in the top leagues, I don't think any club competing consistently for CL has a youth system that delivers consistently without resorting to shortcuts.

I remember commentators used to drone on and on about Wengers youth team between 2007 to 2014. About how quality youngsters are queueing up to sign for Arsenal. The reason it was happening was that Arsenal was paying really high wages for these kids, as high as 10K per week. It worked out well with Cesc Fabregas. But for every Fabregas they had Fran Merida and other wonderkids who did not work out. Youngsters were declining Barca, Real contract and signing for Wenger because he was offering 10 times the salary for kids who had not made their debut.

Chelsea, Atlanta are clubs that sign so many youth players and send them out on loan. Some of them are bound to turn up good. Fairly confident, Chelsea youth team players get higher wages than their counterparts at other clubs.

Similarly, Real, Barca, Juve have a monopoly over talented youth players in their countries. Quite a few of them produce good youngsters because of the heavy numbers they sign.
 


I'd terminate his contract.

1. Anyone who says GOAT or does that stupid goat symbol should be sacked on the spot.

2. How can you have TWO Greatest Of All Time? I'm convinced most of these mongs aren't sure what the acronym stands for.

3. As much as I love Salah and Mane, neither of them are the greatest of all time, and there is something seriously wrong with Rhys's judgement.

Cheerio Rhys
 
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Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp appears to have dropped a huge clue over the future of forward Sadio Mane after conceding "clubs think differently" about a player's age nowadays.

The Reds manager was pressed on Mane's future and chose to discuss how his age can be used to his advantage moving forward.
"The massive advantage of being in your early-30s and mid-30s is that as a player you can see things in the right way if you have learned throughout your career. Sadio [who turns 30 in April] can use that and become an even better player than he was two or three years before. Clubs think differently, they look at a player aged 32, 33 and think, ‘We can’t sell him anymore’, but if they are already inside the club then that’s outstanding because they already have experience and desire and quality."
 
Klopp hails ‘great leader’ Sadio Mané as Luis Díaz waits in Liverpool wings
It is tempting to see the Colombian as Mané’s successor but the Liverpool manager may see things differently

Sadio Mané and Jürgen Klopp
Richard Jolly
Sat 12 Feb 2022 22.30 GMT

The temptation was to think that Jürgen Klopp had committed £50m to secure a successor to Sadio Mané. Luis Díaz might be Liverpool’s speedy, goalscoring left winger for much of the 2020s, the replacement in waiting for Klopp’s first great signing at Anfield. But the Liverpool manager’s forward thinking is altogether different.

Mané turns 30 in April but Klopp feels his peak could lie in the future. Mané may have had a mixed 18 months, admitting last season was his worst before a burst of form in the autumn of 2021 gave way to his longest Liverpool goal drought, but rather than seeing it as a sign of decline, the German cites Senegal’s maiden Africa Cup of Nations triumph as a career-defining achievement as proof he can improve again.

“He was a great player, a world-class player, when he left here but he comes back as a leader on a different level,” Klopp said. “It was a big tournament, the biggest of his life. Or life so far; I don’t want to finish that line. For him, as a person, 100% he made a massive step.”


Mané missed an early penalty in Sunday’s final against Egypt before scoring the decisive spot-kick in the subsequent shootout. Fifty-six years after Senegal’s first Africa Cup of Nations, four after Mané’s inability to convert from 12 yards resulted in their elimination, two after a final defeat, he ended a long wait. Klopp often seems to relish stressful situations. Not this one.

“I couldn’t have more respect for what Sadio did. He is for sure now one of the biggest Senegal legends of all time and rightly so,” he said. “The pressure on his shoulders was absolutely incredible. I usually have no problem with facing pressure but, when he walked to the penalty, I thought that was a really difficult moment in life. He faced it, he mastered it, I was really impressed.”

Mané missed Liverpool’s win over Leicester on Thursday, with Klopp semi-jokingly suggesting he was sleeping after Senegal’s celebrations. His comeback could instead occur on Sunday at Burnley, but Klopp has no qualms about his professionalism and no doubt he was right to enjoy his success.

Sadio Mané with the player of the tournament award after Senegal won the Afcon final against Egypt on penalties

“He was the best player of the tournament,” he added. “An incredible achievement for him. We all know Sadio doesn’t drink a sip of alcohol so it’s not that he was running around through the city and doesn’t know where he wakes up. I saw the pictures with the president of Senegal, the people in the streets: it was a massive thing.”

Yet Mané’s exploits came amid a backdrop of uncertainty and seeming transition. The January signing of Díaz and the prowess of Diogo Jota suggested Klopp was shaping a new-look attack. Roberto Firmino is six months Mané’s senior, Mohamed Salah nine weeks his junior and all three are out of contract next year.

If the question of the succession forms the context at Anfield and the challenge for Klopp’s definitive forward line is to sustain their potency into their thirties, the manager takes heart from trends among the best. While the duopoly of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo long seemed to defy time and the ageing process, they have company.

Luis Díaz take a shot during his Liverpool debut against Leicester on Thursday
Klopp hails Luis Díaz’s first Liverpool start as ‘one of the best I ever saw’

Klopp’s former Borussia Dortmund striker Robert Lewandowski has become more prolific since his twenties ended and all of the top six finishers in the 2021 Ballon d’Or are now over 30, while Salah was placed seventh. Mané came fourth in 2019 and Klopp believes his excellence in Africa can propel him to greater heights.


“He can use that and become an even better player that he was two or three years before. That’s the plan with all of them,” he said. “There is no age roof. Clubs think differently. They look at a player aged 32 or 33 and think: ‘We cannot sell him any more.’ But if they are already inside the club then that’s outstanding because they already have experience and desire and quality.”

If a player’s downward slope is not dictated by his birth certificate, Klopp referenced his latest signing, who was bought at 25, to support his case that footballing trajectories can vary. “They are all different. There is no longer a peak in mid-20s. Luis Díaz is not a kid any more; his career started pretty late. He’s a late bloomer, he isn’t the biggest player, so maybe he can go for a long time.”
 
Sky used th same quotes/story to push the narrative into Salah getting a new contract. It's all just attention seeking from shit journalists
 
[article]Sadio Mane showed a touch of class with a pre-match gesture towards Liverpool teammate Mohamed Salah ahead of victory over Norwich City.

Both players scored in the 3-1 win on Saturday, their first together since Mane's Senegal defeat Salah and Egypt in the Africa Cup of Nations final.

The two stars will also go head-to-head once again as they contest a World Cup playoff qualification spot.

Senegal will take on Egypt for a place in this year's finals in Qatar as they travel to the North African nation on 22 March before hosting the return leg in Dakar six days later.

However, Canal Football Club says Mane made a special request to Liverpool not to make any reference of him and Senegal lifting Africa's most prestigious tournament.

Mane is said to have made this request out of respect to Salah, who would have been hurting from his nation's near failure in the tournament.
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