Lucas is staying
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Lucas was brilliant today. We had about 80% possession. Dominated the game for us. Yet.... We drew. That's not a surprise since we average 1-2 goals a game you have to expect to draw games.
With Sturridge up front we'd be better off with Gerrard in that role and averaging 2-3 goals a game.
With Sturridge up front we'd be better off with Gerrard in that role and averaging 2-3 goals a game.
You're telling me not to rewrite history?
During the past few years the vast majority of posters here have treated Lucas like a cancer, you and Pesam included.
To have the audacity to say that Spearing was better is borderline mental, but none of you called him out on it because, basically you wanted it to be true. Look at the tripe Ryan just commented on and people say I have an agenda.
Yeah Poulsen and Spearing were the only out and out DM that were around during his time here, except Mascherano, but that didn't stop people here from wanting anyone within a 5 mile radius of Anfield to play in midfield instead of Lucas. Allen, Adam, Gerrard, Rossiter, Agger, Henderson, Coady etc were mentioned.
Even when we were leaking goals this season and some of us called for Lucas to be reinstated people started with their Hendo-Allen paring or Hendo-Can or Gerrard-Can or Allen-Can or whatever.
We never got to attack Chelsea when they were out of position because Lucas isn't as fast or as accurate as Gerrard with his passing. If not for a lack of concentration by Matic and Mikel it would have been a loss.
Chelsea are ultra organized, but then so is the rest of the league, even Arsenal. If you are happy to draw games and finish 4th, then keep it tight and hope for an opening. If you want the title then you need to set off attacks instantly.
Chelsea are ultra organized, but then so is the rest of the league, even Arsenal. If you are happy to draw games and finish 4th, then keep it tight and hope for an opening. If you want the title then you need to set off attacks instantly.
As is your medium-term memory.
I like Lucas for what he does. But still think Can has more potential in that position. And give me Wanyama/Schneiderlin/Song/Matic/Fernandinho and a bunch of others over him. They all are good at what Lucas does but they are all much more imposing and can force the tide in their direction when things are in the shit. I don't think Lucas can.
The biggest problem with having Gerrard in a deeper role, is that everything tends to go through him - which means opposition teams know exactly who to target & press.
The very fact that Lucas doesn't have the passing range of Gerrard means that targeting him is futile because there are more outlets for the ball to go through out of defence now.
Lucas, will retain possession, will play the simple ball more often than not, but also generally keep the ball on the ground - which suits our attacking players better.
The change in system is very much about counteracting teams that press us high up the pitch, which has been our undoing on more than one occasion.
Can has it all. I'm fucking floored by some of his passing range. He's actually the best signing we've made this summer.
Followed by Lazar then Lallana.
Given your nickname, I would think you'd be a little kinder to ol' Lucas 🙂
I think there are currently 2 DMs in England who are definitely better than Lucas: Matic and Schneiderlin. Wanyama is physically more imposing, but Lucas is a better passer and has better positional sense. Not sure which one outweighs the other. Didn't see Song much this season, Fernandinho is not really a DM, so can't be compared to Lucas. Obi Mikel and Fernando are the top 2 teams' DMs and I prefer Lucas to both of them.
The question whether we need a DM is a question of balance. Right now the answer is clearly yes, the evidence is overwhelming. Whereas last season we didn't, I think the evidence for that was clear too. It all depends on the balance between your cutting edge in attack and the fragility of your defense.
He was excellent. I'm very pleasantly surprised by his recent form and I'd love to think he will continue but having said that I've seen him have way too many poor games over the last 7 years to build my hopes up yet. He deserves to be in the team, he's playing better than I've ever seen him play and I'm very happy about it. He also seems to have cut out giving away stupid free kicks around our box!
I'd absolutely love to have Schneiderlin at Liverpool, fantastic player. If Lucas goes, he's my number one choice as a replacement.
Lucas is the reason the only time I noticed Fabregas was on the pitch was when he ended up down their left wing
I make it a rule not to converse with you on this forum because, in general, you're a know-nothing troll; but a few points..............
I have never treated Lucas as a cancer, I have always maintained that I love his attitude and his love of LFC but I also maintained he's not good enough for a team with top 4 ambitions. I regularly stated that I didn't mind having him as a squad player but not a regular starter.
I never said Spearing was better than Lucas, I suggested that we knew what Lucas could do (and in my opinion it wasn't good enough) and it was time to see what Spearing could do instead and I suggested he could prove to be the better option...............I was wrong.
You're are the worst poster this forum has ever had, I hope you get banned permanently soon.
Don't bother replying because I am going back to the bliss of my Modo-free world.
I think Lucas is back playing at that absolute 'wonderman' peak of a couple of seasons ago, before he picked up consecutive injuries. His anticipation and instincts are just perfect in the past run of games. And although he often plays it simple, it is the speed of his decision making that is impressive. He robbed players of the ball and instantaneously released it into the path of a red going forward. The difference between Lucas when he wasn't fit and confident is that he lingered and then made a safe pass. In this form he is pivotal not just to defence, but to the speed of turning defence into attack.
Rossiter was on the bench last night, and I hope (and actually, I don't doubt) he watched Lucas closely, because it was a magisterial performance. He played like that away to Chelsea in that wonderman era and bossed it– I think he can do so again.
Rossiter was on the bench last night, and I hope (and actually, I don't doubt) he watched Lucas closely, because it was a magisterial performance. He played like that away to Chelsea in that wonderman era and bossed it– I think he can do so again.
Gems from the worst poster here imo:
"Lucas has no chance of becoming our Darren Fletcher, he's our Darren Gibson, Obi Mikel, Denilson, etc. The problem is he starts for LFC as often as Fletcher but should start as often as Gibson."
"If Lucas (our worst player IMO) plays and Glen Whelan (Stoke's worst midfielder IMO) doesn't then unfortunately I will be placing a bet on Stoke.
I have not kept a record of my bets against us winning matches when Lucas starts but needless to say I'm comfortably in profit."
"Lets put it this way, I would offer Blackpool £5m for Adam or £6m & Lucas."
"Lucas actually does have a footballing brain, it's just a shame it's the size of a pea."
"The fact that the few remaining advocates of Lucas feel safe to suggest his selection shows how far we have regressed this season; we have never needed Lucas and we don't need him now."
Am I winding you up? Am I being hard on you? It's because you fucking deserve it.
I've had to take your cheap shots at Lucas for years, so yeah I'm the worst poster here but at least I know football and I'm happy to expose your bullshit.
If you had an ounce of humility it wouldn't have come to this. You're just habitually on Lucas case and we're talking years now.
"I've had to take your cheap shots at Lucas for years". Are you Lucas's mum or something?
It's like Paul Konchesky's mother having a pop at scousers that time for being mean to her Paul.
Were you Charlie Adams mum?
We're playing a formation and style that suits Lucas really well atm. It's no coincidence that him not playing next to Gerrard makes him look boss, and him covering for a back 3 instead of a back 2. We're playing to a lot of players strengths in this setup and it shows in how well Lucas is performing
My choices for replacing Lucas this summer:
Gonalons
Schneiderlin
Witsel
Nainggolan
Sven Bender
Basically players who've had 3-4 years of top flight first team experience in that position. We should stay away from the likes of Carvalho and Imbula who're too raw at the moment. And we should certainly stay the fuck away from Delph.
It's a very important position, and I hope we spend some time thinking about it before spending.
I'll also add that I'm not very comfortable using Can in that role. Can's really a versatile young player, who's played in 3-4 different positions through his short career. He may or may not make a good DM (personally, I think his qualities may be better suited to a Henderson type role), but I think it's unwise to try and develop him into one. I feel it's too important a position to experiment with. We need to buy someone ready-made for the role.
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