Liverpool v Everton - Match Thread

[ibromurph]

No, they all said (on sky) it wasn't a penalty. Lescott did offer a 'I'm sure Liverpool have been awarded soft penalty before' argument.

The 2nd time DCL has been awarded a soft penalty at Anfield. Mane and Salah need to be poleaxed to be awarded a freekick these days much less a pen (save the City one).

Watching it back is funny. Not sure why the referee even ran over to check. He had already made up his mind. He only watched one replay which was the zoomed out view. He probably didn't even see the knee to the back of the head. They didn't even get to that replay.

 

[The Nomad]

The 2nd time DCL has been awarded a soft penalty at Anfield. Mane and Salah need to be poleaxed to be awarded a freekick these days much less a pen (save the City one).

Watching it back is funny. Not sure why the referee even ran over to check. He had already made up his mind. He only watched one replay which was the zoomed out view. He probably didn't even see the knee to the back of the head. They didn't even get to that replay.

I've got no problem with him sticking with his on field decision. But he should have had more than one quick glance at it.

 

[ibromurph]

I've got no problem with him sticking with his on field decision. But he should have had more than one quick glance at it.

Me neither.

The problem was he didn't even get to the replay they really wanted him to see.

Had he seen that and stuck with his decision, I'd have been annoyed, but said fair enough.

But he didn't even get to that replay. You could clearly tell in his body language that he was annoyed being asked to review the decision, so he came over to "tick the box".

 

[tombrown]

Its so unfair - we would have only lost 0-1 if it wasn't for being cheated by VAR

 

[Halmeister]

It's mental when you see that given versus the Newcastle keeper holding Mane's leg and us getting nothing.

Actually it's not mental. It's expected.

At the risk of attracting the ire of Dreamy, I'm not sure whether it's just genuine, honest incompetence, or whether or not there's an established agenda against us. It's happening so often now that it's hard to argue against the latter. Though, I'm not really sure why or for what motive. Something is going on though.

 

[Halmeister]

Its so unfair - we would have only lost 0-1 if it wasn't for being cheated by VAR

This kind of comment allows for the problem to be swept under the rug though. "Yeah but you still would've lost. You're still shit. Get over it."

Nobody is saying VAR is the sole reason we're in this mess, and we were never scoring yesterday regardless, but VAR is a huge contributing factor this season, and nobody is taking those responsible to task. They're so protected it's ridiculous.

 

[Fabio]

It's mental when you see that given versus the Newcastle keeper holding Mane's leg and us getting nothing.

Actually it's not mental. It's expected.

At the risk of attracting the ire of Dreamy, I'm not sure whether it's just genuine, honest incompetence, or whether or not there's an established agenda against us. It's happening so often now that it's hard to argue against the latter. Though, I'm not really sure why or for what motive. Something is going on though.

It's just incompetence. It's always been there, it's just the excuse of "they've seen it once in full speed" isn't there any more. Now we're seeing they're grotesquely incompetent at analysing slowed down incidents too. If anything, they were better without VAR.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

It's mental when you see that given versus the Newcastle keeper holding Mane's leg and us getting nothing.

Actually it's not mental. It's expected.

At the risk of attracting the ire of Dreamy, I'm not sure whether it's just genuine, honest incompetence, or whether or not there's an established agenda against us. It's happening so often now that it's hard to argue against the latter. Though, I'm not really sure why or for what motive. Something is going on though.

I thought about this last night too - Mane was deliberately held up by the Newcastle goalie, with a tap in, and not only was there no VAR, but barely any media commentary.
But somehow, we're mentalists now blah blah.
The only call I can think of this season where we got lucky was the penalty I thought Fulham deserved against us ... Everything else? LiVuckyoubyVARpool.

 

[ibromurph]

Its so unfair - we would have only lost 0-1 if it wasn't for being cheated by VAR

I think it would have been 1-1. A last minute equaliser where they shat the bed. But it didn't get to that point unfortunately.

 

[ibromurph]

It's mental when you see that given versus the Newcastle keeper holding Mane's leg and us getting nothing.

Actually it's not mental. It's expected.

At the risk of attracting the ire of Dreamy, I'm not sure whether it's just genuine, honest incompetence, or whether or not there's an established agenda against us. It's happening so often now that it's hard to argue against the latter. Though, I'm not really sure why or for what motive. Something is going on though.

I think it's a combination of pure incompetence and referees being influenced by all the calls of "LiVARpool" last year.

 

[moron]

My original post was angry one regarding the pen, but actually after watching MOTD, i get the decision, yes TAA got tripped over and kicked in the head but he raised his leg and cunt went over.

 

[Buddha]

My original post was angry one regarding the pen, but actually after watching MOTD, i get the decision, yes TAA got tripped over and kicked in the head but he raised his leg and cunt went over.

He went over his head, moron.

 

[Raz]

FFS. What else is he meant to say? Confidence is through the floor, should he stick another boot in?

Yeah he should. Because they fucking need it. Because being mr huggy nicely nicely is clearly not working right now. FFS

 

[Squiggles]

Klopp is fortunate there was a controversial penalty. It takes away from what was another poor performance with the same stale tactics.

There's just no excuse our current run of form. This is relegation stuff. 9 of our starting 11 won the league by thirty points or a title in Munich.

The injuries have been appalling, but our response and attitude to them has been poor.

There needs to be a change of approach.

 

[Donavan Ried]

Its so unfair - we would have only lost 0-1 if it wasn't for being cheated by VAR

How did VAR cheat us for the Penalty..??
It show what happened. The Ref just interpreted wrongly

 

[Red Bird]

40 points oughta ensure we don’t get relegated. At least, I’d like to think so.

 

[Hansern]

I think it's a combination of pure incompetence and referees being influenced by all the calls of "LiVARpool" last year.

11 negative VAR calls for us now so far this season, more than any teams total for the entire last season.

 

[Frogfish]

No, they all said (on sky) it wasn't a penalty. Lescott did offer a 'I'm sure Liverpool have been awarded soft penalty before' argument.

I only saw was it Lineker ? Owen, Osman (of course) and Dermot Gallagher (especially - after watching the slo-mo!) say it was a penalty and a red card.

 

[Frogfish]

I think it would have been 1-1. A last minute equaliser where they shat the bed. But it didn't get to that point unfortunately.

Yep. At 0-2 it was all over and the players knew it ... but 0-1 ? They would have thrown everything at it and who knows, we've seen stranger (thank to VvD and Divock).

 

[Frogfish]

My original post was angry one regarding the pen, but actually after watching MOTD, i get the decision, yes TAA got tripped over and kicked in the head but he raised his leg and cunt went over.

Because the order of the fouls was :
a) Foul on TAA by CL then
b) foul on CL by TAA (but only if you thought the fraction of a second, where TAA's leg was stretched out as shown above, for him to decide to foul CL).

 

[tombrown]

Dumb question - who was captain yesterday after Hendo went off? Gini?

 

[dogboy]

Dumb question - who was captain yesterday after Hendo went off? Gini?

Yep.

 

[moron]

I only saw was it Lineker ? Owen, Osman (of course) and Dermot Gallagher (especially - after watching the slo-mo!) say it was a penalty and a red card.

Just seen the later ones regarding red card. Also Danny Murphy on MOTD last night was sure it was a pen. So really its Sky of the pundits who have argued it was not. In the end we only have ourselves to blame, we had enough of the ball and chances to equalize and we did not. All of this shit is of our making, and I dont give a shit about not having a regular defense anymore ... those players collectively should be capable of scoring goals and having that much of the ball.

 

[Halmeister]

I think it's a combination of pure incompetence and referees being influenced by all the calls of "LiVARpool" last year.

If that's the case, then Man United are in for a world of hurt soon enough...

Yeah, right. I won't hold my breath.

 

[tombrown]

This kind of comment allows for the problem to be swept under the rug though. "Yeah but you still would've lost. You're still shit. Get over it."

Nobody is saying VAR is the sole reason we're in this mess, and we were never scoring yesterday regardless, but VAR is a huge contributing factor this season, and nobody is taking those responsible to task. They're so protected it's ridiculous.

You're right - I just cant get myself upset by it, as we were heading for defeat regardless. If that had been the decisive goal then maybe I'd be ranting & raving about it, as it is I am just "meh".

Also, as someone else pointed out, that decision was nothing to with VAR. The referee gave it and, more or less, refused to take the advice of the VAR when he gave the screen a derisory glance before standing by his original decision.

 

[Halmeister]

Yeah I just say VAR because it's easier than saying "mongy twat officials". VAR could work without the retards we have using it and without those spazzes in black on the pitch

 

[Donavan Ried]

DCL started going down when he made contact with TAA head, the contact with his out streched leg (Which I believe he was doing in a atempt to gain his balance to get back to his feet);had little to do with that fact. For me that is no Penalty.
And I do not say this as someone who think that was the reason we lost.

To quote tombrown "we were heading for defeat regardless"

For me it is about the failure of the refs and VAR to get the simple things right and the lack of consistancy in those decisions.

Things like if your elbow upward can play someone on or offside, yet it is only meant to be a part of the body that you can score with. Yet you cannot use the upper part of your arm to control the ball, that is deemed as handball... So which is it meant to be..?

 

[Donavan Ried]

Two more things...
1) more or two more poor results could see us outside the top 8... Everton level with us a game in hand... Villa 4 points adrift two games in hand and Spurs 4 points adirft and a game in hand

2) Ozan Kabak Looked better in after Henderson was taken off and he was able to switch sides...also I believe Nathaniel Phillips looked good out there and for me he is a head of Rhys Williams

 

[The Nomad]

I've seen a few former refs have now said the ref wasn't called over to check to see if it was a penalty.

He was called over to decide whether it was a red card. Given David Luiz was sent off last month for a similar incident.

Basically saying the Ref played a blinder. It was a pen and it wasn't a red card if you apply common sense.

Not sure if this is just referees associations closing rank or not.

 

[Fabio]

I've seen a few former refs have now said the ref wasn't called over to check to see if it was a penalty.

He was called over to decide whether it was a red card. Given David Luiz was sent off last month for a similar incident.

Basically saying the Ref played a blinder. It was a pen and it wasn't a red card if you apply common sense.

Not sure if this is just referees associations closing rank or not.

it's them closing rank.

They answer to nobody, so it's all about them defending themselves and stroking their own egos