Liverpool v Everton - Match Thread
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No depth? Are you kidding me.
All the CBs have long term injuries to a point where we used our midfield which then subsequently got injured and thus decimated our midfield and the back up. We had to blood our youngster in midfield and defence just to field 11.
Front 3 mis-firing and our back up strikers are injured as well.
Games coming every 2-3 days so we can’t train as a team and integrate our new signings so everyone is make shift role.
Maybe the owners should insist that Jurgen take a sabbatical for the remainder of the season - most of all for his own good and psychological well-being. It's obvious his decision-making hasn't been right for weeks – and he feels too much of a sense of duty to the players and fans to quit in the middle of a bad run. But looks like he's making it worse, not better – we keep hitting what seems like rock bottom, bouncing up temporarily and then tumbling even further down. Klopp is still doing most things right, but football is cruel that way – you could be doing 95% of things perfectly, but you'll keep getting punished for the last 5% being not right time and time again until you sort it out. We need to clear our heads and go back to basics.
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If you are counting numbers of player we have then we have depth, But I did say "lack of real quality and depth" If you believe that see Origi and the Ox's on the bench amounts to "Quality" players then Ican help you Shaqiri is Quality but shows it at a inconsistant level...
I believe everyone know the problems we have at CB, and the Midfield being asked to stand in, and how that has affected the from three
But for me It is down to the lack of quality on the bench. If City, Utd or Chelsea bring on a sub you hardly get a drop off in perfromance. We(LFC) bring on a sub and the perfromance falls off the cliff (Jota excluded)
Am I the only one that thought that Mane was dog muck today?
I love Sadio, he absolutely carried us last season but this season he has been mostly poor, maybe because of covid, and has been mostly shite the last couple of games. Today I thought he was exceptionally bad, running into opponents and losing the ball constantly, especially in the first half.
Everyone else seems to be scapegoating Thiago, Curtis, Bobby etc
Am I the only one that though that Sadio was really bad?
I love Sadio, he absolutely carried us last season but this season he has been mostly poor, maybe because of covid, and has been mostly shite the last couple of games. Today I thought he was exceptionally bad, running into opponents and losing the ball constantly, especially in the first half.
Everyone else seems to be scapegoating Thiago, Curtis, Bobby etc
Am I the only one that though that Sadio was really bad?
Been like it for the past ten games or so. the only game that he has looked anywhere like his old self was against Leipzig
Not sure if you were in the match thread, but a lot of people thought that. He lost the ball over and over again.
Would consider this.
We said we needed to sacrifice all for number 19 last season. Now we need to sacrifice this season for the next one.
Get defenders playing in the back line. Try out a new tactical system as a plan B. Dont run our main players into the ground. Give the boss some time.
There's nothing to be won by redlining the rest of this season, Europe excepted.
What a load of shite.
They are normally in the bottom half not fighting for the CL.
Not surprising Klopp found positives, a number of players have said he is never negative in the dressing room. Always looking at positives.
Jesus fucking christ man.
Won us number 19 at a fucking canter, after winning us number 6, after improving us every season.
First drop in performance, from the incredibly high standard he set, & he's a 'stubborn cheerleader with no plan b'.
I really hope you're drunk & pissed off & regret these comments mate.
Shut the fuck up... literally no one knows who you support but we can all agree its not Liverpool. You should have been banned.
If you think the refereeing has been just shit and not blatantly against us congratulations you're effectively blind... not a more sophisticated fan... just too stupid to see how even the players have started to feel hard done by because we consistently don't get the same fouls called for us compared to against us.
Totally agree. Love Mane but he had a shocker yesterday.
Go fuck yourself. Feeling hard done by is totally different to putting on the tinfoil hat. It’s a pathetic stance and once we laugh at fans of rivals for doing when we obliterated the league last year.
As for questioning who I support, some ploy going to Anfield every time I fly home. Your insults are as pathetic as your view that their is an agenda against us.
We are having shit luck to go along with a host of injuries and a lack of desire after winning everything in 18 months. It happens. Deal with it.
City have and hopefully we’ll do the same and bounce back next year.
Lol, you're on the same track as with Holle on this one.
What Klopp says in a presser and what happens inside the dressing room are two very different things. I dont believe for a second he is never negative in the dressing room. Just listen to him during games on the sidelines.
Anyway, see you all against Sheff Utd. Now thats a must win game if we ever had one.
What? I didn’t mean it as a negative just pointing out that’s what he always does. He’s the best thing to happen to this club in 40 years.
Ah, i see everyones periods have synced up
Fucking grow up the lot of ye.
We played average, but injuries have massively disrupted how we play. We just need to focus on winning the CL to get into that next year. We fluke a CL win, no cunt in here will be arsed about the league.
Raze it to the ground and start fresh next year. See you in 7 months
Fucking grow up the lot of ye.
We played average, but injuries have massively disrupted how we play. We just need to focus on winning the CL to get into that next year. We fluke a CL win, no cunt in here will be arsed about the league.
Raze it to the ground and start fresh next year. See you in 7 months
Everything that we used to query on Klopps methods has just been proven
No pre season, no break, no conditioning, no trophies. The dude is a complete expert and has been thrown into the field of idiots. What's that quote about debating an idiot? That's what this season must feel like to Klopp.
No pre season, no break, no conditioning, no trophies. The dude is a complete expert and has been thrown into the field of idiots. What's that quote about debating an idiot? That's what this season must feel like to Klopp.
Some things are a constant, even in a COVID season
September - "For the first time in years I look at our bench and see game changers there, this is exciting"
January - "Our bench is woeful"
I really cannot remember a season (maybe last?) when that pattern wasn't repeated exactly.
I only flicked through a bit of it and it seemed to me mostly posters hitting on the usual suspects.
People hating on the players they hate.
I didn't notice anyone mention Sadio who I thought was awful yesterday, particularly in the first half.
His drop off in form this season is a real cause for worry. The slump that he is in now, is similar to the way that Bobby seemed to hit a wall last season and I cant help but suspect that his fall off in form coupled with Jota's lack of availability for the last three months, has been a huge contributor to our recent drought on front of goal.
Jota only covered up the crack caused by the decline in Mane's form. Without him, it has gaped wide open.
As upsetting and irritating (but half expected) as that was yesterday, I think it's one we just have to take on the chin and ride out.
We've given them enough grief over the years, so I would rather them have their day in The Lying Rag while knowing that they beat a severely depleted Liverpool side that otherwise would have been too strong for them to beat. No shame in that, well there's always shame and bitterness associated with losing to your nearest rivals, but I'd rather get beat this way than in a fair contest, yesterday wasn't and the rot had started to set in 5 months ago when they played us and took VVD out of the equation for our season. Since then we've seen a knock on effect of over compensating, over stretching and it's effected our cohesion and decision making. Klopp has made mistakes, but his hand has been forced time and time again.
Kabak is another symptom of all of that, an addition I don't think we'd have made if we hadn't been so badly in crisis. We were all hoping for "someone" in January, I think this sort of proves why big teams rarely panic buy midseason, you get whatever dregs are out there, give or take the odd inspired but usually pricey signing. And I don't think that's knee jerk, you can see players natural ability in their roles and where the potential is, this lad just looks brainless. He's not particularly commanding, average aerial prowess, average pace, poor decision making and positionally suspect. Ok, so all of that comes with walking into a new side, but I remember debuts from the likes of Sami and despite being on the end of a 1-0 defeat on his debut, his reading of the game in a brand new team and league was obvious. This lad looks like Lovren mark II. Nat Phillips now surely deserves a run with Fabinho when he returns, it makes the most logical sense. You need "no-nonsense" players when you're in this sort of situation and those two are the most physically imposing and decisive defenders that we have available. Back to basics, let this lad watch and work in training, learn our way, try to iron out his flaws and go from there, if he's not good enough then send him back at the end of the loan. But he has to prove himself in training first, we've tried a sink or swim approach and the lad has drowned in the two games against Leicester and Everton.
As for midfield. I don't quite know what the answer is, but the set-up you can create from a combination of Jones/Milner/Gini is too flat and one dimensional, too predictable. When Gini turns in performances like yesterday, you can see why he's not being offered a contract worth what he values himself at being worth. He's great in big games if you want a water carrier to shield the ball and keep possession, to make us difficult to dispossess, but when the chips are down and there are less talented players around him, he's not going to step up and take command, or make any difference. The problem with the alternatives is that we're then watering down an already brittle and positionally suspect midfield - both Ox and Shaqiri have their positives but neither work hard or hold their position when out of possession. Losing Henderson is a massive blow. He looked a different class in the opening exchanges yesterday and was trying to run both the defense and midfield, I think that's why he pulled up, he was literally covering gaps everywhere and trying to be direct while others were fannying around with the ball at snails pace. He's a massive, massive loss.
We don't have alot to play with, this season is a write off and as stretched as we are, it won't be long before we're given a hiding in the CL, never say never, but I think sometimes you've just got to admit you've been dealt a shit hand and wait for a break and the time to regroup. This season is dead in the water and Klopp needs time to get his head around his personal stuff, whatever he says on the face of it about being able to "separate" his professional and personal life - the pressures of one will only impact on the other and so on. He needs some form of tranquility in one for the other to be able to mend, right now he's in the thick of it from both sides and he needs all the love, respect and support he has earned.
YNWA.
We've given them enough grief over the years, so I would rather them have their day in The Lying Rag while knowing that they beat a severely depleted Liverpool side that otherwise would have been too strong for them to beat. No shame in that, well there's always shame and bitterness associated with losing to your nearest rivals, but I'd rather get beat this way than in a fair contest, yesterday wasn't and the rot had started to set in 5 months ago when they played us and took VVD out of the equation for our season. Since then we've seen a knock on effect of over compensating, over stretching and it's effected our cohesion and decision making. Klopp has made mistakes, but his hand has been forced time and time again.
Kabak is another symptom of all of that, an addition I don't think we'd have made if we hadn't been so badly in crisis. We were all hoping for "someone" in January, I think this sort of proves why big teams rarely panic buy midseason, you get whatever dregs are out there, give or take the odd inspired but usually pricey signing. And I don't think that's knee jerk, you can see players natural ability in their roles and where the potential is, this lad just looks brainless. He's not particularly commanding, average aerial prowess, average pace, poor decision making and positionally suspect. Ok, so all of that comes with walking into a new side, but I remember debuts from the likes of Sami and despite being on the end of a 1-0 defeat on his debut, his reading of the game in a brand new team and league was obvious. This lad looks like Lovren mark II. Nat Phillips now surely deserves a run with Fabinho when he returns, it makes the most logical sense. You need "no-nonsense" players when you're in this sort of situation and those two are the most physically imposing and decisive defenders that we have available. Back to basics, let this lad watch and work in training, learn our way, try to iron out his flaws and go from there, if he's not good enough then send him back at the end of the loan. But he has to prove himself in training first, we've tried a sink or swim approach and the lad has drowned in the two games against Leicester and Everton.
As for midfield. I don't quite know what the answer is, but the set-up you can create from a combination of Jones/Milner/Gini is too flat and one dimensional, too predictable. When Gini turns in performances like yesterday, you can see why he's not being offered a contract worth what he values himself at being worth. He's great in big games if you want a water carrier to shield the ball and keep possession, to make us difficult to dispossess, but when the chips are down and there are less talented players around him, he's not going to step up and take command, or make any difference. The problem with the alternatives is that we're then watering down an already brittle and positionally suspect midfield - both Ox and Shaqiri have their positives but neither work hard or hold their position when out of possession. Losing Henderson is a massive blow. He looked a different class in the opening exchanges yesterday and was trying to run both the defense and midfield, I think that's why he pulled up, he was literally covering gaps everywhere and trying to be direct while others were fannying around with the ball at snails pace. He's a massive, massive loss.
We don't have alot to play with, this season is a write off and as stretched as we are, it won't be long before we're given a hiding in the CL, never say never, but I think sometimes you've just got to admit you've been dealt a shit hand and wait for a break and the time to regroup. This season is dead in the water and Klopp needs time to get his head around his personal stuff, whatever he says on the face of it about being able to "separate" his professional and personal life - the pressures of one will only impact on the other and so on. He needs some form of tranquility in one for the other to be able to mend, right now he's in the thick of it from both sides and he needs all the love, respect and support he has earned.
YNWA.
I think I gave him 0 in the 1st half but he improved greatly in the 2nd half - but that's not saying *that* much.
The problem with Mane is he's the key to our attacking play. He's actually not been *that* bad the whole season - but the last few months, I am struggling to think of anything where I saw that confident, "I will destroy you" winger or confident goalscorer we've seen since day 1 ... Maybe he'll be the one that's sold in the summer, because unlike him, Mo just keeps on ticking.
Nail on the head.
The penalty is really pissing me off now I've looked at it in slo-mo (and taken screen shots).
1. TAA is clearly already on the floor when CL arrives behind him :
2. CL runs into Trent and kicks him in the head (foul on Trent).
3. This is where CL starts to go to ground - and this is also where the 'foul' and 'red card' comments have originated. Let's note however that this is just a fraction of a second after the previous screen shot. Did TAA have time to react and swing his leg out to trip CL (look at the previous screen shot, Trent's leg was already in that position, was it just an attempt to get up)? And if it was deliberate - why, because the ball has long gone. However for me that is all moot anyway - the first foul was clearly on TAA by CL.
1. TAA is clearly already on the floor when CL arrives behind him :
2. CL runs into Trent and kicks him in the head (foul on Trent).
3. This is where CL starts to go to ground - and this is also where the 'foul' and 'red card' comments have originated. Let's note however that this is just a fraction of a second after the previous screen shot. Did TAA have time to react and swing his leg out to trip CL (look at the previous screen shot, Trent's leg was already in that position, was it just an attempt to get up)? And if it was deliberate - why, because the ball has long gone. However for me that is all moot anyway - the first foul was clearly on TAA by CL.
The penalty is really pissing me off now I've looked at it in slo-mo (and taken screen shots).
1. TAA is clearly already on the floor when CL arrives behind him :
2. CL runs into Trent and kicks him in the head (foul on Trent).
3. This is where CL starts to go to ground - and this is also where the 'foul' and 'red card' comments have originated. Let's note however that this is just a fraction of a second after the previous screen shot. Did TAA have time to react and swing his leg out to trip CL (look at the previous screen shot, Trent's leg was already in that position, was it just an attempt to get up)? And if it was deliberate - why, because the ball has long gone. However for me that is all moot anyway - the first foul was clearly on TAA by CL.
This was all very obvious at the time. Incredible that the referee didn't bother give it a second look.
I didn't bother watch the Sky post-match coverage or MOTD to see whether they covered it with any integrity.
But knowing the way they operate, they probably ignored the knee to head from DCL and only looked at Trent's foot and whether he could get it out of the way. After he had been knee'd in the back of the head.
No, they all said (on sky) it wasn't a penalty. Lescott did offer a 'I'm sure Liverpool have been awarded soft penalty before' argument.
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