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rurikbird said:
I think you’re mistaken – I generally don’t like DMs of that type and he’s certainly not that. He has an all-around skill set, can play box-to-box or even as AM, he takes set pieces for his team, which partially explains why his key pass metrics are so high (significantly higher than Gravvy and Zubimendi), but his progressive passes stats are also on an excellent level, which shows the key pass metric is not an outlier. He is also much faster and covers more ground than Endo. And he is a good ball-striker, even scored from the half-way line last season. For me he’s like a Caicedo with higher offensive potential. I think he’s a future star midfielder for someone.


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Well that's what I saw in the arsenal game. I dunno Zi could be wrong. Haven't seen him that much.
 
If we didnt like Zubi because of his build and being lightweight then why would Camara be a better fit?
He's 4'7.
Good player with great ability but not sure if its the right part of our midfield puzzle.
 
If Spain have Zubimendi as their primary backup to Rodri, Barcelona have tried to prise him away, Arsenal have made similar efforts, and now Manchester City are closely linked—along with interest from Slot and our own recruitment team—all of this gives me full confidence that he’s more than capable of rotating with Gravenberch.

At some point, when so many top clubs have done a thorough analysis of a player, you have to accept that he’s likely to succeed. I believe that’s probably the case here. The bigger question is not his ability on the pitch, but how well he and his family adapts to life away from an area that clearly means a great deal to him personally.
 
Spain midfielder Martin Zubimendi, 25, said it "wasn't that hard of a decision" to turn down a move to Liverpool in the summer as he still "had steps to take" at Real Sociedad. (El Diario Vasco, via 90 Min)
 
Timbers, 23, is 1.79m or just shy of 5'11, has a strong physique and clocked top speed is 30km/h 83% passing accuracy. Average distance covered 10km
another who may be on the list is Tijjani Reijnders, he is 26. Pretty sure Milan will take £40m doubling their money. He is 1.85m just over 6ft, top speed 34 km/h and 93% passing accuracy. Average distance covered 10km

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bluebell said:
Timbers, 23, is 1.79m or just shy of 5'11, has a strong physique and clocked top speed is 30km/h 83% passing accuracy. Average distance covered 10km
another who may be on the list is Tijjani Reijnders, he is 26. Pretty sure Milan will take £40m doubling their money. He is 1.85m just over 6ft, top speed 34 km/h and 93% passing accuracy. Average distance covered 10km

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Get the reindeer!
 
Hansern said:
If we didnt like Zubi because of his build and being lightweight then why would Camara be a better fit?
He's 4'7.
Good player with great ability but not sure if its the right part of our midfield puzzle.
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He’s a proper midget, isn’t he? 🙂

Actually according to Wiki he’s 173cm or 5’8 and that already might be outdated for a quickly growing 20 year old player. Pretty much same height as Makelele or Mascherano (both 174cm) and much taller than Kante. Don’t see an issue with his height at all. And he wins more tackles in a very physical French league than Gravvy or Zubimendi - far from being ‘lightweight’:

Defensively, Camara is solid when it comes to one vs one situations and winning the ball. He wins 2.55 tackles per 90 which is again more than Zubimendi (1.60) and Gravenberch (1.09).

It's always important to look at squad context for defensive numbers, because they are likely to be better or have more volume when a team is more defensive or has less of the ball. That doesn't seem to be the case for Camara - Monaco average 56.2% possession in Ligue 1 this season which is the fourth highest in the league. For context, Liverpool average 56.6% in the Premier League this season.

So, the fact that Camara is winning almost more than 1.5 tackles per game than Gravenberch is impressive. Especially, considering he is also very close to the Dutchman's interception metrics as well (1.91 per 90 compared to Gravenberch's 2.04 per 90) and way higher than Zubimendi's (1.27). Camara also makes the most recoveries (6.70 per 90) out of the trio with Gravenberch averaging 5.47 per 90 and Zubimendi averaging 4.73 per 90.
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rurikbird said:
He’s a proper midget, isn’t he? 🙂

(Actually according to Wiki he’s 173cm or 5’8 and that already might be outdated for a quickly growing 20 year old player. Same height as Makelele or Mascherano and much taller than Kante. Don’t see an issue with his height at all).
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I think its an issue when you pair him with Macca, Jones, Gomez etc. Suddenly our team gets bullied physically. We need another type of midfielder imho.
 
Hansern said:
I think its an issue when you pair him with Macca, Jones, Gomez etc. Suddenly our team gets bullied physically. We need another type of midfielder imho.
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See the update to my post. His defensive duel numbers are better than Gravvy and Zubimendi’s. IMO he’s a Caicedo/Baleba type with better all-around ability.
 
rurikbird said:
See the update to my post. His defensive duel numbers are better than Gravvy and Zubimendi’s. IMO he’s a Caicedo/Baleba type with better all-around ability.
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As a prospect sure but not as a ready starter.
And its a gamble without any experience bar the French league. Monaco signed him for 15 mill 6 months ago. They will want insane money for him.

Its most likely better to pay 20-25 mill more and get Baleba. We know he can boss it in this league.
 
Hansern said:
As a prospect sure but not as a ready starter.
And its a gamble without any experience bar the French league. Monaco signed him for 15 mill 6 months ago. They will want insane money for him.

Its most likely better to pay 20-25 mill more and get Baleba. We know he can boss it in this league.
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Judging from your emphasis on height, I was sure your dream signing is Sander Berge 😉
 
Modo said:
My point is Gomez isn't easily bullied.
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Not in his general play but he can be bullied in the air. And if we line up a core with small players and him as CB we’re gonna get dominated. It has happened in the past and it would happen again if we sign the wrong type of players.
 
Was it Doc who suggested Rijnders? I might have been to quick to judge him in all honesty.
Watched him a bit for Milan and he was impressive.

Not sure if he’s good enough defensively, but an excellent DM playmaker and also good in the attacking roles. Might be a good signing for the right fee.
 
Hansern said:
Was it Doc who suggested Rijnders? I might have been to quick to judge him in all honesty.
Watched him a bit for Milan and he was impressive.

Not sure if he’s good enough defensively, but an excellent DM playmaker and also good in the attacking roles. Might be a good signing for the right fee.
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It won't be less than £40m, the same with Quinten. Grav has not been rotated and come tail end of season, it may take its toll
 
Now, Italian journalist Fabrizio Romano has confirmed the news, revealing that the Reds are indeed interested in the French winger.

Romano mentioned: “Liverpool are interested in Rayan Cherki. No advanced negotiations yet, but they know the player well, are monitoring him, and are sending their scouts to track his progress.”
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rurikbird said:
Judging from your emphasis on height, I was sure your dream signing is Sander Berge 😉
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I can speak from experience that tall players in midfield get absolutely pulled apart about opponents of all sizes.

The only highlight I have from a game I attempted to play CM was on the famous Hackney Marshes (I was a 'night before' whatsapp super sub from a mate's team who didn't have XI players!). Some chav on the opposition was such a mouthy cunt and I shouted "Ref surely thats dissent" (in a mildly surrey accent, that I was attempting to disguise) and this player shouts "ain't no such ting as dissent on the marshes cunt" and I honestly don't think I will ever recover from this.
 
Hansern said:
Was it Doc who suggested Rijnders? I might have been to quick to judge him in all honesty.
Watched him a bit for Milan and he was impressive.

Not sure if he’s good enough defensively, but an excellent DM playmaker and also good in the attacking roles. Might be a good signing for the right fee.
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Sorry, but I have seen him play for the Dutch team, and he seems to sweat a lot playing a basic role. Don't want that.
 
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