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Klopp vs Pep tactics

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rurikbird

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I wonder what Pep learned from his "spying mission" in yesterday's game. I think his biggest headache will be how to escape our high press, since even against lesser pressing sides City has shown themselves somewhat vulnerable when building attacks from the back. Stones and Bravo didn't really solve the problem and the likes of Otamendi or Kolarov are perhaps not quite as comfortable with the ball as Barca's back line in Guardiola's time there. If City play their usual game against us, trying to build from the back, they will play right into our hands – that's what Carra has alluded to in the post-match reaction yesterday. Their build-up play will be severely disrupted and Aguero and co. will not see much of the ball.

Guardiola's Plan B when trying to bypass a high press has been using an old-fashioned target man up front – at Bayern he sometimes put Javi Martinez up front and at Barca he bought Ibrahimovic mostly for that purpose. The problem is, I don't think City have anyone who quite fits this purpose either – unless Pep asks Yaya to play up front, which would be quite a surprise. A third way, and probably the more likely one (knowing how Guardiola dealt with these kind of challenges in the past), would be to sacrifice a striker in order to flood the midfield – so leaving Aguero on the bench (to the outcry of pundits and City fans, no doubt) and playing De Bruyne as "false nine."

In any case, I'm sure Guardiola will try to spread the pitch as far wide as possible by placing fast wingers (Sterling and Sane/Navas/Nolito) 1 on 1 against Milner and Clyne (also hoping to prevent them, especially Clyne, from venturing as far forward as they usually do now). Klopp, in contrast, will keep all our attacking players as centrally as possible. I think the pattern of the game will be LFC having over 55% possession and building attacks patiently through the middle, while City will try time and again to play the ball forward into De Bruyne or Silva, who will then try to turn and quickly spread the ball diagonally between our CB and full-back into the path of Sterling/Sane. We have to be careful with this, but overall I like our chances.
 
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If they attack down our flanks at pace they should get joy.

Tough game to call as we simply haven't looked fluid in attack with Coutinho.

Hopefully we can blitz them
 
I read that Mark Hughes thought he had unsettled us with playing two strikers and that we didnt deal with it very well.
Think that was largely down to Crouch and him dominiating our centre backs. Without Matip we dont really have any height and presence back there. Klavan struggled a bit and Lovren got better as the game progressed.

Not many strikers in the league like that though if teams go direct, and try to copy Stokes approach.
 
I read that Mark Hughes thought he had unsettled us with playing two strikers and that we didnt deal with it very well.
Think that was largely down to Crouch and him dominiating our centre backs. Without Matip we dont really have any height and presence back there. Klavan struggled a bit and Lovren got better as the game progressed.

Not many strikers in the league like that though if teams go direct, and try to copy Stokes approach.
Yep. It was definitely Crouch with his height who caused all the issues with knock-downs and good lay-offs to Allen/Walters. Not that Hughes can claim like his plan worked though.
 
I wouldn't like to call it.

there will be goals though, Raheem and for mini to both score . Sterling possibly too. Oh and aguero is back isn't he ?so obv he will score
 
If they attack down our flanks at pace they should get joy.

Tough game to call as we simply haven't looked fluid in attack with Coutinho.

Hopefully we can blitz them

I've a feeling we might get joy from attacking any one of their defenders as well.
 
If they attack down our flanks at pace they should get joy.

Tough game to call as we simply haven't looked fluid in attack with Coutinho.

Hopefully we can blitz them

Why should they? Milner hasn't struggled too much this season, maybe against that lad last week but generally he's done well against whoever he's been up against. Clyne is quick himself and rarely gets done by a quick winger. He can be a bit lax at times this season, but generally not many wingers get any change out of either of them.
 
Why should they? Milner hasn't struggled too much this season, maybe against that lad last week but generally he's done well against whoever he's been up against. Clyne is quick himself and rarely gets done by a quick winger. He can be a bit lax at times this season, but generally not many wingers get any change out of either of them.
Think Milner looks exposed against pacey direct wingers and gets fuck all protection in front of him.

Hasn't been much of an issue this season so far but Bournmeath have shown direct running at him reaps rewards.

City have bags of pace and skill.

Even against Everton Coleman got tonnes of space. They just didn't have the quality to take advantage.

City have quality out wide and through the middle in De Brunyne.

Should be a very open end to end game with lots of goals as their defense is as bad as ours if not worse.

My big concern is in big games space and time on the ball is harder to come by and I think in this area they have technically better players.

Hopefully our defence has a better day and Mane has a big game
 
From what I've seen of citeh in the past few games their main tactic has been to get the ball to sterling and hope he either does something great or get fouled in the attempt. De Bruyne is great but I think if you can stop sterling you've almost shut them up. He is playing very well right now though, the little shit.
 
Aguero will be chomping at the bit, however I do agree that in a 4-5-1 formation he may be starved of service. I fully expect he will play though rather than Iheanacho who is more physically suited to that kind of target man.

Raheem and KDB on either wing, with Silva playing a floating role ahead of Toure and Fernando or Fernandinho

It pretty much picks itself, win the midfield battle and the game is for the taking.
 
From what I've seen of citeh in the past few games their main tactic has been to get the ball to sterling and hope he either does something great or get fouled in the attempt. De Bruyne is great but I think if you can stop sterling you've almost shut them up. He is playing very well right now though, the little shit.

One thing that's helped is that they're now playing him on the right, where he's always been more effective than on the left. I've never been a big fan of picking players on their "wrong" wing, and IMO this little toerag's respective performances on the left and the right bear out my doubts.
 
I read that Mark Hughes thought he had unsettled us with playing two strikers and that we didnt deal with it very well.
Think that was largely down to Crouch and him dominiating our centre backs. Without Matip we dont really have any height and presence back there. Klavan struggled a bit and Lovren got better as the game progressed.

Not many strikers in the league like that though if teams go direct, and try to copy Stokes approach.
Had he played Crouch with a pacy striker, he would have hurt us even more.
But from what I saw, Crouch won some headers but it lead to nothing.
 
What Pep will have noticed is that we can be rattled if we receive our own high press. With Aguero, Sterling and A.N.Other Pacey forward I think City might try and do the same. He will be terrified of us going to town on their defence and the only way to counteract that is to do the same to ours.

I will miss the game but am expecting it to be an exciting one!
 
I wonder what Pep learned from his "spying mission" in yesterday's game. I think his biggest headache will be how to escape our high press, since even against lesser pressing sides City has shown themselves somewhat vulnerable when building attacks from the back. Stones and Bravo didn't really solve the problem and the likes of Otamendi or Kolarov are perhaps not quite as comfortable with the ball as Barca's back line in Guardiola's time there. If City play their usual game against us, trying to build from the back, they will play right into our hands – that's what Carra has alluded to in the post-match reaction yesterday. Their build-up play will be severely disrupted and Aguero and co. will not see much of the ball.

Guardiola's Plan B when trying to bypass a high press has been using an old-fashioned target man up front – at Bayern he sometimes put Javi Martinez up front and at Barca he bought Ibrahimovic mostly for that purpose. The problem is, I don't think City have anyone who quite fits this purpose either – unless Pep asks Yaya to play up front, which would be quite a surprise. A third way, and probably the more likely one (knowing how Guardiola dealt with these kind of challenges in the past), would be to sacrifice a striker in order to flood the midfield – so leaving Aguero on the bench (to the outcry of pundits and City fans, no doubt) and playing De Bruyne as "false nine."

In any case, I'm sure Guardiola will try to spread the pitch as far wide as possible by placing fast wingers (Sterling and Sane/Navas/Nolito) 1 on 1 against Milner and Clyne (also hoping to prevent them, especially Clyne, from venturing as far forward as they usually do now). Klopp, in contrast, will keep all our attacking players as centrally as possible. I think the pattern of the game will be LFC having over 55% possession and building attacks patiently through the middle, while City will try time and again to play the ball forward into De Bruyne or Silva, who will then try to turn and quickly spread the ball diagonally between our CB and full-back into the path of Sterling/Sane. We have to be careful with this, but overall I like our chances.

Its an interesting one tactically because the biggest criticism of both managers is that they really only have one plan for any given match and when they fails they come unstuck. Thats something of an exaggeration but there is a kernel of truth in it. Guardiola like Klopp drills his team to play a certain way regardless of the opposition and I think thats was what makes this game so interesting is neither of these guys is interested in playing for a drwa, ever. That said I think Guardiola is better prepared for a full press than he was in the past, Mourinho tried to implement a high press against City earlier in the season and Guardiola was ready for them, he had DeBruyne and Sterling breaking beyond the defence time and again as the lone striker dropped back to disrupt the positioning and it caused chaos in the Utd defence. One of the things people dont appreciate about a pressing game is that its a team effort, the back 4 have to push up and condense space leaving the opposition defence with no obvious targets to hit and this leave space in behind for runners to exploit. My confidence in Loved and Klavan being smart enough to contain the sorts of runs the DeBruyne Sterling Sane and Aguero make across the back 4 is pretty limited. City will be reliant on whatever combination of Sterling DeBruyne and Sane play the wide attacking positions, big test for Milner. I think we will most likely live or die on the ability of Wijnaldum and Henderson to gain the upper hand over Fernandinho and Toure. I think we will need 2 goals to get anything from this game.
 
I am hoping this game will be an all out attack game from both sides and I would like to remind you all that we are peerless when it comes to possession football in this league - seriously I cannot believe my eyes when I see the game stats these days. Also the closest side that comes to the fitness levels of our squad is Spurs the rest are a level or two below us - take Everton/Stoke in recent games and you can see that they cannot maintain two halves of the same shit eventually they break - so if they press us to close us down - I guarantee they will only manage that for one half. Honestly we are talking about Toure here in midfield - a little bit of a push and he cannot be arsed. I am not saying for one minute this game will be easy - they have really good tricksters but I would put money on our side being fitter than they are any day. If we have lost or drawn this season its because of either stupidity or missed chances and nothing more. I am quietly confident.
 
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