Poll kenny, jose or boas

[Oncy]

I probably dont really care who we have all that much.
I probably dont really care who we sign.
I probably dont really care about the formations we play.
I just hope we win more games.
This year has totally showed me how fragile and ridiculous all this crap is. Ive looked at our team sheets this year and thought 'Thats shite' and weve won, and thought 'Good side that' and we've lost. Ive watched Torres be shit and Spearing be ace. Ive watched us lose playing 4-4-2 against West fucking ham and play 3-5-2 against Chelsea and win. Ive watched the worst manager weve ever had beat us with one of the best weve ever had in charge. Ive seen stonewall dyed in the wool hero's switch alegiances and court other teams. Ive watched teams with young sexy managers and millions to fucking spend lose against the team that just lost home and away to Blackpool.
Ive watched fat scottish gingers be proclaimed the new Alonso. Ive seen Liverpool fans say they dont think Dirk Kuyt deserves a new contract, the same ones who begged Torres to stay.
All i know is this:
Football is a cunt, and there is no point in thinking too much about all this shit. Ultimately we win sometimes, we lose sometimes and there isnt a magic formula to make sure we win enough to win the league.
Kenny, Jose or VB could all win us the league, or be sacked. We might sign Kaka and Ramos and Benzema and Iniesta and fail, we could sign Adam, Enrique and Cahill and win the league.
Ultimately i agree with Krump. More scousers in the team please. We might not win more, but i'd love us more as we tried too. And try we would.

 

[doctor_mac]

Sometimes Oncy, you have to believe in fairytales, in legends, in heros, even in this sullied sport we somehow are still drawn to. Kenny loves this club, gets it in a way that perhaps no other candidate in the world possibly could. He's proven in my book as one of the best man managers anywhere, and that alongside his legendary status means that no-one is going to form a dressing-room clique grumbling about him. Kenny could win us the league, I really believe that. He's took a team in the doldrums, completely devoid of confidence, and turned them into a team that is worthy to wear the shirt. He knows the strengths in the club from top to bottom, something someone being drafted in would take years to appreciate. He loves us. We love him. The players love him. Even, God help us, the media can't resist him, although they initially were waiting to pounce on what looked like a fan-driven appointment. Everything he has done, from the appointment of a proven title-winning coach in Clarke, to his support and close attention to players from the Academy and seasoned pros in the first 11 bespeaks a proper guardian who can lift this club. Most of all, Kenny is a winner. He was a winner as a player, as a manager, and he's a winner as a person. A humble person in spite of his manifest brilliance during illustrious careers, there is no doubt of his ambition to put us where he knows we should be- where he left us. I care who manages us next season because I know where the greatest chance of returning to the top lies. With Kenny. In his short tenure we've been the form team in the league, beating Chelsea, Manu and Man city. Failing to appoint him now would be the most stupid decision any owner of any club has ever made. Or thereabouts.

 

[Oncy]

Im sorry Doc, i just dont see it that way.
I dont think hes good enough.
Dont get me wrong, i dont mind if he gets the job. I dont think we'd win anything but id rather we lose with Kenny in charge than anyone else. And noone brings guarantees.
But we still lost to West Brom, West Ham, Blackpool and Braga in the last few months, and failed
to beat Wigan, Everton and Birmingham. Im not convinced. I hope!

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315277#msg1315277 date=1302735027]
Im sorry Doc, i just dont see it that way.
I dont think hes good enough.
Dont get me wrong, i dont mind if he gets the job. I dont think we'd win anything but id rather we lose with Kenny in charge than anyone else. And noone brings guarantees.
But we still lost to West Brom, West Ham, Blackpool and Braga in the last few months, and failed
to beat Wigan, Everton and Birmingham. Im not convinced. I hope!
[/quote]

With a side who were fucked in confidence, more often than not lacking key players, and who he has had no time to mould into his own team. And we're still near the top of the form league despite all that. Sorry, you're wronger than Goatse.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315278#msg1315278 date=1302735311]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315277#msg1315277 date=1302735027]
Im sorry Doc, i just dont see it that way.
I dont think hes good enough.
Dont get me wrong, i dont mind if he gets the job. I dont think we'd win anything but id rather we lose with Kenny in charge than anyone else. And noone brings guarantees.
But we still lost to West Brom, West Ham, Blackpool and Braga in the last few months, and failed
to beat Wigan, Everton and Birmingham. Im not convinced. I hope!
[/quote]

With a side who were fucked in confidence, more often than not lacking key players, and who he has had no time to mould into his own team. And we're still near the top of the form league despite all that. Sorry, you're wronger than Goatse.
[/quote]I hope youre right. Really i do.
But:
Man utd have a far better squad and the best manager.
Chelsea have a better squad and money to spend.
Citeh have a better squad and infinity money (and Jose).
Arsenal have a better squad and money to spend
Spurs have a better squad and champions league money.

We're a fucking long way from title rivals buddy.

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315283#msg1315283 date=1302735982]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315278#msg1315278 date=1302735311]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315277#msg1315277 date=1302735027]
Im sorry Doc, i just dont see it that way.
I dont think hes good enough.
Dont get me wrong, i dont mind if he gets the job. I dont think we'd win anything but id rather we lose with Kenny in charge than anyone else. And noone brings guarantees.
But we still lost to West Brom, West Ham, Blackpool and Braga in the last few months, and failed
to beat Wigan, Everton and Birmingham. Im not convinced. I hope!
[/quote]

With a side who were fucked in confidence, more often than not lacking key players, and who he has had no time to mould into his own team. And we're still near the top of the form league despite all that. Sorry, you're wronger than Goatse.
[/quote]I hope youre right. Really i do.
But:
Man utd have a far better squad and the best manager.
Chelsea have a better squad and money to spend.
Citeh have a better squad and infinity money (and Jose).
Arsenal have a better squad and money to spend
Spurs have a better squad and champions league money.

We're a fucking long way from title rivals buddy.
[/quote]

yeah dog but what's any of that got to do with kenny? we can't do anything about the others, unfortunately.

 

[Rosco]

United are going to have a couple of tough years ahead of them as they work to replace ageing veterans, bearing in mind their massive losses again this year it's unlikely they'll have lots to spend.

Chelsea - ageing squad, will have serious difficulty with the impending UEFA financial regulations. Run very poorly for the last couple of years.

Man City - bit of joke of a club, money to burn but spent it really badly. Again will have difficulty fitting in with the UEFA regulations

Spurs - If you could graph a teams rise and fall, these are exactly where we were in the summer of 2009, or where Villa were in the summer of 2010. They've gone through a period of significant spending increases, Harry has spent a lot of money on players who are not proving to be good enough to be first team regulars over the course of a number of windows. The owner is indicating that the squad needs trimming. Harry's bad decision making over the past couple of years allied to a cutback in spending will see them regress massively, and quickly. If they keep spending heavily they'll be okay but Levy's comments hint that they won't.

Arsenal - good young squad, 60m in spare cash lying around now. Serious financial flexibility in terms of being able to increase the wage bill a lot and still easily fit in with the UEFA regulations. The big danger if UEFA enforce the regulations properly.

Liverpool - still a lot of expensive deadwood that needs to be removed, recent signs are positive however. Should be okay with the UEFA regulations but we don't have a lot of wiggle room until the deadwood is removed. We're improving and we'll continue to do so.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44818.msg1315289#msg1315289 date=1302736604]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315283#msg1315283 date=1302735982]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315278#msg1315278 date=1302735311]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315277#msg1315277 date=1302735027]
Im sorry Doc, i just dont see it that way.
I dont think hes good enough.
Dont get me wrong, i dont mind if he gets the job. I dont think we'd win anything but id rather we lose with Kenny in charge than anyone else. And noone brings guarantees.
But we still lost to West Brom, West Ham, Blackpool and Braga in the last few months, and failed
to beat Wigan, Everton and Birmingham. Im not convinced. I hope!
[/quote]

With a side who were fucked in confidence, more often than not lacking key players, and who he has had no time to mould into his own team. And we're still near the top of the form league despite all that. Sorry, you're wronger than Goatse.
[/quote]I hope youre right. Really i do.
But:
Man utd have a far better squad and the best manager.
Chelsea have a better squad and money to spend.
Citeh have a better squad and infinity money (and Jose).
Arsenal have a better squad and money to spend
Spurs have a better squad and champions league money.

We're a fucking long way from title rivals buddy.
[/quote]

yeah dog but what's any of that got to do with kenny? we can't do anything about the others, unfortunately.
[/quote]Nothing really, thats why i said id be happy to see him given the job. I dont see a title in the near future, so given the three options youd have to stick with Kenny i suppose. But i dont think it will work long term. Ive been rooting for a young manager now for some time because i see only one way of us ever competing again, and thats the way Barcelona have beaten Madrid. By investing totally and properly in youth and being the best at it in the world.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44818.msg1315297#msg1315297 date=1302737131]
United are going to have a couple of tough years ahead of them as they work to replace ageing veterans, bearing in mind their massive losses again this year it's unlikely they'll have lots to spend.

Chelsea - ageing squad, will have serious difficulty with the impending UEFA financial regulations. Run very poorly for the last couple of years.

Man City - bit of joke of a club, money to burn but spent it really badly. Again will have difficulty fitting in with the UEFA regulations

Spurs - If you could graph a teams rise and fall, these are exactly where we were in the summer of 2009, or where Villa were in the summer of 2010. They've gone through a period of significant spending increases, Harry has spent a lot of money on players who are not proving to be good enough to be first team regulars over the course of a number of windows. The owner is indicating that the squad needs trimming. Harry's bad decision making over the past couple of years allied to a cutback in spending will see them regress massively, and quickly. If they keep spending heavily they'll be okay but Levy's comments hint that they won't.

Arsenal - good young squad, 60m in spare cash lying around now. Serious financial flexibility in terms of being able to increase the wage bill a lot and still easily fit in with the UEFA regulations. The big danger if UEFA enforce the regulations properly.

Liverpool - still a lot of expensive deadwood that needs to be removed, recent signs are positive however. Should be okay with the UEFA regulations but we don't have a lot of wiggle room until the deadwood is removed. We're improving and we'll continue to do so.

[/quote]Every year you bloody predict Uniteds demise and im suckered in like a fool. Not this time bucko.
Kusczak
Fabio
Evans
Smalling
Vidic
Raphael
Carrick
Anderson
Valencia
Nani
Rooney
Hernandez
will go on for YEARS. Not to mention thier youth team (who beat our much vaunted last week), and when they need to they spend.
Their demise is NEVER going to happen. They arent like Milan 88, every year they come back again, they find great players and go again.

 

[SummerOnions]

Are you kidding? Once Giggs goes, theyre fucked.

 

[peterhague]

i have to admit i'm slightly ambivalent about dalglish as well. on the one hand he's done, as far as i'm concerned, an absolutely incredible job (i think his points per game rate would've had us in 3rd over the season, and bare in mind that's after taking just 1 point from his first 2 less representative games in charge) since he came in, he unites the club like no-one else, he's a proven winner, he's always keen to give youth a chance, and i think he's got a sensible approach to the transfer market. there's no doubt that, on the basis of these 4 months, he deserves the job.

still, though, and given kenny's age, there is something almost irresistable about villa boas or jurgen klopp - their records and youthfulness are so exciting. i suppose i'd sum it up by saying that, at the end of the day, the other 2 are just potential. that's it. there's no way of knowing how they'd perform right at the top of the game, because, really, their records are no more impressive than rafa's was at valencia, and there aren't too many on here longing to have him back.

so, i get it. i can see the temptation of a villa boas. but i think we should really give dalglish at least a couple of years because, basically, it'd stink to treat him like that especially when the alternatives are such unknown quantities.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315307#msg1315307 date=1302737715]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44818.msg1315297#msg1315297 date=1302737131]
United are going to have a couple of tough years ahead of them as they work to replace ageing veterans, bearing in mind their massive losses again this year it's unlikely they'll have lots to spend.

Chelsea - ageing squad, will have serious difficulty with the impending UEFA financial regulations. Run very poorly for the last couple of years.

Man City - bit of joke of a club, money to burn but spent it really badly. Again will have difficulty fitting in with the UEFA regulations

Spurs - If you could graph a teams rise and fall, these are exactly where we were in the summer of 2009, or where Villa were in the summer of 2010. They've gone through a period of significant spending increases, Harry has spent a lot of money on players who are not proving to be good enough to be first team regulars over the course of a number of windows. The owner is indicating that the squad needs trimming. Harry's bad decision making over the past couple of years allied to a cutback in spending will see them regress massively, and quickly. If they keep spending heavily they'll be okay but Levy's comments hint that they won't.

Arsenal - good young squad, 60m in spare cash lying around now. Serious financial flexibility in terms of being able to increase the wage bill a lot and still easily fit in with the UEFA regulations. The big danger if UEFA enforce the regulations properly.

Liverpool - still a lot of expensive deadwood that needs to be removed, recent signs are positive however. Should be okay with the UEFA regulations but we don't have a lot of wiggle room until the deadwood is removed. We're improving and we'll continue to do so.

[/quote]Every year you bloody predict Uniteds demise and im suckered in like a fool. Not this time bucko.
Kusczak
Fabio
Evans
Smalling
Vidic
Raphael
Carrick
Anderson
Valencia
Nani
Rooney
Hernandez
will go on for YEARS. Not to mention thier youth team (who beat our much vaunted last week), and when they need to they spend.
Their demise is NEVER going to happen. They arent like Milan 88, every year they come back again, they find great players and go again.
[/quote]

I didn't quite predict their demise, they have a significant challenge on their hands.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315272#msg1315272 date=1302734619]
Sometimes Oncy, you have to believe in fairytales, in legends, in heros, even in this sullied sport we somehow are still drawn to. Kenny loves this club, gets it in a way that perhaps no other candidate in the world possibly could. He's proven in my book as one of the best man managers anywhere, and that alongside his legendary status means that no-one is going to form a dressing-room clique grumbling about him. Kenny could win us the league, I really believe that. He's took a team in the doldrums, completely devoid of confidence, and turned them into a team that is worthy to wear the shirt. He knows the strengths in the club from top to bottom, something someone being drafted in would take years to appreciate. He loves us. We love him. The players love him. Even, God help us, the media can't resist him, although they initially were waiting to pounce on what looked like a fan-driven appointment. Everything he has done, from the appointment of a proven title-winning coach in Clarke, to his support and close attention to players from the Academy and seasoned pros in the first 11 bespeaks a proper guardian who can lift this club. Most of all, Kenny is a winner. He was a winner as a player, as a manager, and he's a winner as a person. A humble person in spite of his manifest brilliance during illustrious careers, there is no doubt of his ambition to put us where he knows we should be- where he left us. I care who manages us next season because I know where the greatest chance of returning to the top lies. With Kenny. In his short tenure we've been the form team in the league, beating Chelsea, Manu and Man city. Failing to appoint him now would be the most stupid decision any owner of any club has ever made. Or thereabouts.
[/quote]

I believe!!

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1315277#msg1315277 date=1302735027]
Im sorry Doc, i just dont see it that way.
I dont think hes good enough.
Dont get me wrong, i dont mind if he gets the job. I dont think we'd win anything but id rather we lose with Kenny in charge than anyone else. And noone brings guarantees.
But we still lost to West Brom, West Ham, Blackpool and Braga in the last few months, and failed
to beat Wigan, Everton and Birmingham. Im not convinced. I hope!
[/quote]

We still have the same squad (January aside). For the most part he's played without what was our best two players when we started the season. His points record per game so far is excellent (second only to United) aswell. I know he's Kenny but he's not a miracle worker, we will get found out in some games because the squad isn't good enough.

 

[doctor_mac]

If it was blind 'messiah' worship in the Newcastle mould to want to appoint Kenny I'd understand the lukewarm response to the idea of putting our faith in him. But he has been almost note perfect since he came to us, despite facing the greatest crisis in confidence the club has known in decades. People forget we were properly flirting with the relegation zone when he arrived. His knowledge of the Academy is going to be crucial in the coming seasons too, as our greatest crop of talent in generations begins to be integrated with the squad. Someone coming in could disrupt the delicate balance that Kenny has established, a balance that is largely based on the force of his personality.

I'm excited to see what Kenny will do given a full season at the club.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44818.msg1315318#msg1315318 date=1302738574]
i have to admit i'm slightly ambivalent about dalglish as well. on the one hand he's done, as far as i'm concerned, an absolutely incredible job (i think his points per game rate would've had us in 3rd over the season, and bare in mind that's after taking just 1 point from his first 2 less representative games in charge) since he came in, he unites the club like no-one else, he's a proven winner, he's always keen to give youth a chance, and i think he's got a sensible approach to the transfer market. there's no doubt that, on the basis of these 4 months, he deserves the job.

still, though, and given kenny's age, there is something almost irresistable about villa boas or jurgen klopp - their records and youthfulness are so exciting. i suppose i'd sum it up by saying that, at the end of the day, the other 2 are just potential. that's it. there's no way of knowing how they'd perform right at the top of the game, because, really, their records are no more impressive than rafa's was at valencia, and there aren't too many on here longing to have him back.

so, i get it. i can see the temptation of a villa boas. but i think we should really give dalglish at least a couple of years because, basically, it'd stink to treat him like that especially when the alternatives are such unknown quantities.
[/quote]

agree with every word of that, pete (as usual). I can absolutely see why the yanks would go for boas and it's not like this would be an unprecedented move for them, they've done it before but it would be stupid for them to do it, not because I don't think boas could do a job but because the fans wouldn't give him (boas) a chance and anyone who thinks the fans WOULD give him a chance is deluded.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315377#msg1315377 date=1302765468]
If it was blind 'messiah' worship in the Newcastle mould to want to appoint Kenny I'd understand the lukewarm response to the idea of putting our faith in him. But he has been almost note perfect since he came to us, despite facing the greatest crisis in confidence the club has known in decades. People forget we were properly flirting with the relegation zone when he arrived. His knowledge of the Academy is going to be crucial in the coming seasons too, as our greatest crop of talent in generations begins to be integrated with the squad. Someone coming in could disrupt the delicate balance that Kenny has established, a balance that is largely based on the force of his personality.

I'm excited to see what Kenny will do given a full season at the club.
[/quote]

I wouldn't say 'note perfect', some of kenny's tactics have been shocking (mainly in europe) and I'm not entirely sure that is because of the level of ability of the players at his disposal. not note perfect but pretty darn amazing when you think he hasn't managed for 20 years.

 

[mark1975]

I just don't see the point in going for Boas and not building on what we've got.

Why is it always the same posters alluding to us becoming the next Arsenal, the one's who think players who work hard come second behind any who's fast and technically able, who are the ones that seem to think that taking a gamble on an unproven manager from Portugal would be a better move than sticking with a legend who's so far been more or less spotless in his approach AND seems to be on the road to having us playing 'good football'?

I actually thought you were going to go on to say there Neil that Boas shouldn't get the job because Kenny was doing a sterling one, then you started blathering on about how the fans wouldn't give him a chance. They would, but they'd have every right to be miffed at having one of their own overlooked, especially one who is the epitome of the club and who is doing a FUCKING GOOD JOB.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44818.msg1315379#msg1315379 date=1302765709]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315377#msg1315377 date=1302765468]
If it was blind 'messiah' worship in the Newcastle mould to want to appoint Kenny I'd understand the lukewarm response to the idea of putting our faith in him. But he has been almost note perfect since he came to us, despite facing the greatest crisis in confidence the club has known in decades. People forget we were properly flirting with the relegation zone when he arrived. His knowledge of the Academy is going to be crucial in the coming seasons too, as our greatest crop of talent in generations begins to be integrated with the squad. Someone coming in could disrupt the delicate balance that Kenny has established, a balance that is largely based on the force of his personality.

I'm excited to see what Kenny will do given a full season at the club.
[/quote]

I wouldn't say 'note perfect', some of kenny's tactics have been shocking (mainly in europe) and I'm not entirely sure that is because of the level of ability of the players at his disposal. not note perfect but pretty darn amazing when you think he hasn't managed for 20 years.
[/quote]

What the fuck do you expect Neil? Miracles? He's turned it round and now 5th is an outside chance. We were flirting with relegation when he took over.

You astound me at times.

 

[Rosco]

Boas said on Italian TV that the rumours about Liverpool were all lies.

The criticism of Kenny is fucking laughable. He's getting the most possible out of a shite squad.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44818.msg1315384#msg1315384 date=1302765949]
Boas said on Italian TV that the rumours about Liverpool were all lies.

The criticism of Kenny is fucking laughable. He's getting the most possible out of a shite squad.
[/quote]

Isn't it? Pathetic.

Unless we're playing like Arsenal then we're not good enough. People forget the state of the squad. We've got two good defenders available and we're feeding off the scraps from Soto and the reserve team and hoping Aurelio stays fit. Our central midfield consists of everyone's pet hate Lucas and the much maligned as 'only good enough for the Championship' Spearing. And we have NO wingers at all.

Tut tut Kenny, shame on you for not railroading every side put infront of you.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44818.msg1315381#msg1315381 date=1302765829]
I just don't see the point in going for Boas and not building on what we've got.

Why is it always the same posters alluding to us becoming the next Arsenal, the one's who think players who work hard come second behind any who's fast and technically able, who are the ones that seem to think that taking a gamble on an unproven manager from Portugal would be a better move than sticking with a legend who's so far been more or less spotless in his approach AND seems to be on the road to having us playing 'good football'?

I actually thought you were going to go on to say there Neil that Boas shouldn't get the job because Kenny was doing a sterling one, then you started blathering on about how the fans wouldn't give him a chance. They would, but they'd have every right to be miffed at having one of their own overlooked, especially one who is the epitome of the club and who is doing a FUCKING GOOD JOB.
[/quote]

let me point out, mark that I am coming at this from the point of view of the yanks and why they 'may' go for boas. I'm trying to get in 'their' head, it's not my opinion of whether kenny should get the job. clear? 🙂

 

[mark1975]

There was me thinking you were expecting miracles from Kenny and 'seeing it from their point of view' because he hasn't quite met your standards:

I wouldn't say 'note perfect', some of kenny's tactics have been shocking (mainly in europe) and I'm not entirely sure that is because of the level of ability of the players at his disposal. not note perfect but pretty darn amazing when you think he hasn't managed for 20 years.

 

[Oncy]

Kenny has no doubt earned the right. He has had some bad results fo sho but it is the same shite squad that was relegation fodder, so i guess a contract extension is deserved.
I for one will be happy if he gets it, if a little aprehensive that he wont take us to the top again without huge investment.
I really honestly think this United side have years at the top.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44818.msg1315383#msg1315383 date=1302765930]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44818.msg1315379#msg1315379 date=1302765709]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315377#msg1315377 date=1302765468]
If it was blind 'messiah' worship in the Newcastle mould to want to appoint Kenny I'd understand the lukewarm response to the idea of putting our faith in him. But he has been almost note perfect since he came to us, despite facing the greatest crisis in confidence the club has known in decades. People forget we were properly flirting with the relegation zone when he arrived. His knowledge of the Academy is going to be crucial in the coming seasons too, as our greatest crop of talent in generations begins to be integrated with the squad. Someone coming in could disrupt the delicate balance that Kenny has established, a balance that is largely based on the force of his personality.

I'm excited to see what Kenny will do given a full season at the club.
[/quote]

I wouldn't say 'note perfect', some of kenny's tactics have been shocking (mainly in europe) and I'm not entirely sure that is because of the level of ability of the players at his disposal. not note perfect but pretty darn amazing when you think he hasn't managed for 20 years.
[/quote]

What the fuck do you expect Neil? Miracles? He's turned it round and now 5th is an outside chance. We were flirting with relegation when he took over.

You astound me at times.
[/quote]

stop making me out to be a bad guy, kenny's poor tactics in europe is more of anobservation than a critisism. there may be several reasons for the poor tactics; poor personnel, feeling his way in europe, lack of confidence, whatever, but they 'were' poor tactics and I was just pointed that out and nothing more.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44818.msg1315388#msg1315388 date=1302766249]
There was me thinking you were expecting miracles from Kenny and 'seeing it from their point of view' because he hasn't quite met your standards:

I wouldn't say 'note perfect', some of kenny's tactics have been shocking (mainly in europe) and I'm not entirely sure that is because of the level of ability of the players at his disposal. not note perfect but pretty darn amazing when you think he hasn't managed for 20 years.

[/quote]

kenny has done an amazing job with a limited squad and zero confidence. the end. if I came across like I don't recognise or appreciate that then I apologise and for the record I wanted kenny in the summer, go back and check if you like.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44818.msg1315391#msg1315391 date=1302766460]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44818.msg1315383#msg1315383 date=1302765930]
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44818.msg1315377#msg1315377 date=1302765468]
If it was blind 'messiah' worship in the Newcastle mould to want to appoint Kenny I'd understand the lukewarm response to the idea of putting our faith in him. But he has been almost note perfect since he came to us, despite facing the greatest crisis in confidence the club has known in decades. People forget we were properly flirting with the relegation zone when he arrived. His knowledge of the Academy is going to be crucial in the coming seasons too, as our greatest crop of talent in generations begins to be integrated with the squad. Someone coming in could disrupt the delicate balance that Kenny has established, a balance that is largely based on the force of his personality.

I'm excited to see what Kenny will do given a full season at the club.
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I wouldn't say 'note perfect', some of kenny's tactics have been shocking (mainly in europe) and I'm not entirely sure that is because of the level of ability of the players at his disposal. not note perfect but pretty darn amazing when you think he hasn't managed for 20 years.
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What the fuck do you expect Neil? Miracles? He's turned it round and now 5th is an outside chance. We were flirting with relegation when he took over.

You astound me at times.
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stop making me out to be a bad guy, kenny's poor tactics in europe is more of anobservation than a critisism. there may be several reasons for the poor tactics; poor personnel, feeling his way in europe, lack of confidence, whatever, but they 'were' poor tactics and I was just pointed that out and nothing more.
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I'm not making you out to be a bad guy, soft arse 😉 I just don't get the need to be quite so critical. He's had a poor squad to work with, he hasn't managed for a long time and he had no benefit of bedding in because of the state of our league position, he had to more or less hit the ground running and besides a few hiccups (which you could attribute to flaws in the squad like a lack of pace and no real wide player, given the three results were on the road), he's been fantastic. We're playing good football and the front players look like they're developing a real understanding AND the team looks like it wants to play for eachother and the shirt.

 

[Judge Jules]

Excellent summary. Agree 100%.

 

[Oncy]

The results vs Arsenal, Chelsea and United, combined with the way the club feels, the two signings hes made, the promotion of youth, combined with some excellent posts by some excellent posters has me utterly convinced.
I want Kenny as our manager and noone else.
Its manifest destiny. Kenny WILL win the title again.
I dont want anyone else to even try.

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44818.msg1317413#msg1317413 date=1303117416]
The results vs Arsenal, Chelsea and United, combined with the way the club feels, the two signings hes made, the promotion of youth, combined with some excellent posts by some excellent posters has me utterly convinced.
I want Kenny as our manager and noone else.
Its manifest destiny. Kenny WILL win the title again.
I dont want anyone else to even try.
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:laugh: