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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150350#msg1150350 date=1281252731]
The owners can't block a sale. [/quote]

you're speculating, you don't know that for a fact.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150350#msg1150350 date=1281252731]
The owners can't block a sale. They have a vote, but in the end it's up to Broughton as he has the casting vote.

He has already stated this several times, that H&G can not block a sale. This right among others were something they had to do, when they got the 6 months expansion on the loan and debt.
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That's how I've seen it. But the Mirror are leading with a story claiming that H&G will take legal action to ensure the highest offer (supposedly Khirdi) is accepted.

I'm hoping that's speculative bullshit and that the legal issue around Kop Holdings and board decisions over the sale is watertight.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41235.msg1150351#msg1150351 date=1281252924]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150350#msg1150350 date=1281252731]
The owners can't block a sale. [/quote]

you're speculating, you don't know that for a fact.
[/quote]

No, I know it as a FACT.

Quizzed on the part owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks were playing, Broughton said: "The owners can't block the sale of the club. I read all too frequently numbers being floated about in the media, normally associated with Tom Hicks's name. I would like to make it clear there is no number. There is no base line.

"This is a willing buyer, willing seller auction. We will do a deal with what we consider to be the best bidder. The best bidder may not be the highest bidder. It's about more than just money. It's about stadium development, the team and the whole piece.

"Once we've been through the process, the best bidder gets it."
 
What people seem to be ignoring in this is that even though H&G can't block a sale, the other members on the board aren't going to undervalue the club either.
 
This is nothing more than brinksmanship though; if there are bids that are commensurate with the perceived value of the club, the sale should still happen.

Unfortunately, it's probably likely now that they're going to make handsome profits since even if Broughton and the rest of the board sans Yanks chooses a bid that lowers the Yanks potential profits, this would almost certainly trigger litigation since they weren't acting in the best interests of the shareholders.

The Board will want to avoid that, I'm sure..so some assurances will be made to the Yanks.

I really feel for Moores in a small way; he tried to do right by the club, but ultimately he probably sold us down the river.
 
I disagree to an extent Farky, look at what Broughton has said all along. It may not be the highest bidder, but the best bidder.

If Ayre, Purslow and Broughton agrees on this part, then the sale will be completed. Sure the bid has to cover the debt, partail outlay for the stadium and show how everything can be funded. But I have no doubt that the best bid will get the deal in the end.

Read Jim Boardmans piece about Kirdi, it's an excellent read and shows how BS that bid is.
 
LIVERPOOL legend Kenny Dalglish is poised to Kop a place on the Anfield board – and he could be joined by former team-mate Alan Hansen.


It’s part of the club’s mission to bring back old traditions in an era dominated by foreign ownership.

Unloved American co-owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks are attempting to sell up with interest coming from just about everywhere on the globe except the United Kingdom.

That’s why chairman Martin Broughton, mindful of Liverpool’s image, has warmed to suggestions that the club’s heritage should be protected by providing boardroom seats for Anfield legends like Dalglish and Hansen.

Dalglish has already been offered a significant role in the running of the club by manager Roy Hodgson, as head of football development.

There are also moves to involve former defender Hansen, though that could prove more difficult because the Scot is a BBC Match of the Day pundit and could deem it a clash of interests.
 
I hope the board do the right thing this time and research the potential buyer rather than what will make them the most money. we've been fooled once let's not be fooled again.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150359#msg1150359 date=1281254990]
I disagree to an extent Farky, look at what Broughton has said all along. It may not be the highest bidder, but the best bidder.

If Ayre, Purslow and Broughton agrees on this part, then the sale will be completed. Sure the bid has to cover the debt, partail outlay for the stadium and show how everything can be funded. But I have no doubt that the best bid will get the deal in the end.

Read Jim Boardmans piece about Kirdi, it's an excellent read and shows how BS that bid is.

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Yes it is an interesting bit of research.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150355#msg1150355 date=1281254082]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41235.msg1150351#msg1150351 date=1281252924]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150350#msg1150350 date=1281252731]
The owners can't block a sale. [/quote]

you're speculating, you don't know that for a fact.
[/quote]

No, I know it as a FACT.

Quizzed on the part owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks were playing, Broughton said: "The owners can't block the sale of the club.
"Once we've been through the process, the best bidder gets it."

[/quote]

I assume the bid is going to go to the vote? G&H will obviously go for the highest bid, broughton will be impartial as he is off regardless and then the rest of the board?
 
Broughton has the casting vote, Ayre and Purslow will hopefully do whats best for the club.
 
I wouldn't underestimate the part that future job assurances might play for Purslow and Ayres?
 
As much as any diehard LFC fan I desperately want to see the club under new ownership. Immediately. But only new ownership which is as responsible as it is ambitious, and with as much integrity as it is sincerely and significantly well enough resourced to compete in the long term.

History is there to learn from. But LFC’s Club Secretary clearly hasn’t when he claimed this week that we’d never played Trabzonspor before… Excuse me…?

When Hicks and Gillett arrived in L4 we were told that they satisfied all of the above forms of safe-hands-criteria by Moores and Parry. Uh uh. They either lied or they were just hoping. Either way, they did not do (enough) due diligence. And we all know what happened next. The club was the subject of a wretched LBO and is consequently currently financially screwed.

As WELL RED reported Well Red - a Liverpool FC blog: New owners at LIVERPOOL FC? Well just Huang on a minute... in an article entitled “New owners at LIVERPOOL FC? Well just Huang on a minute...†published on Friday “George Benson had it right, hindsight gives us 20/20 vision. And if we'd had that benefit, the throng of Liverpool fans that prevented Tom Hicks from entering Anfield the last time we faced Arsenal would have been present in even bigger numbers when, three and a half years ago, he first ventured into the vicinity of the postal district of L4.â€

Now... we’re led to believe Tom and Jerry will be – mercifully - heading back west again very soon, so alls well that ends well. Well sort of. Cue the possible entry of sparkly new owners who all claim to want to revitalize LFC rather like Sheik Mansour has done for Citeh. Great!

And this week there has been rampant speculation that the cavalry is this time coming from – of all places – China… Which I have to say, initially excited me.

But then I did some digging around. Some due diligence if you like. Because I don’t want to see us once again just blindly embracing bold Snoogy-Doogy claims with blind faith - which if we're honest - we did last time round.

As WELL RED further commented: “After the lies, the politics, the broken promises and our unwelcome crash course in accountancy, not to mention of the suffocating blanket of debt that has accompanied the American's time in charge, it's easy to see why many fans will look at prospective owners and say, 'They'll do'. Some fans are poised to unfurl their China flags and declare that Kenny's from heaven. Well just Huang on a minute.â€

And on that note, let’s get on to Kenny Huang!

Back on 24th April the Daily Mirror broke an Exclusive: “Chinese businessman Kenneth Huang has revealed he is in talks to buy Liverpool – and Rafa Benitez is at the heart of his £500million masterplan†[]Chinese bidder says he wants to keep Rafa Benitez as Liverpool boss if he buys the club - Exclusive - News - MirrorFootball.co.uk

Never happened!

Huang then very recently re-emerged supposedly preparing an offer of £450M - of which £300 would pay off the club’s debts and £150M would go to the players and stadium (would be some stadium). But at least none of the cash would go to Tom and Jerry.

So what of Huang? Well, The Wall Street Journal describes him as “an avid self-promoter†and “sports entrepreneur who runs a youth baseball league in China and is starting the country’s second basketball leagueâ€. []Does CIC Really Want to Own Liverpool? - China Real Time Report - WSJ

We were also told this week – presumably by Huang – that he was apparently working in tandem with three other parties:

(1) Guang Yang, a VP of investment bank Franklin Templeton. He and Huang would apparently operate as co-heads of QSL Sports - the vehicle which would supposedly own Liverpool if the bid was successful.

(2) Mark Ganis, an American who owns a Chicago based sports consulting firm called Sportscorp.

And, cue drum roll…

(3) CIC (China Investment Corporation) China’s sovereign wealth fund which has more than $300 BN in assets.

$300BILLION!!!!

Wow! Cue more than a little excitement...

But then as fast as “wow†came “whoa†with Ganis immediately contradicting all this by suggesting that CIC might merely only become a “passive investor†if the consortium is successful in buying the club.

And word on the street was that that a 20% interest might be the biggest stake that CIC might take.

So why the supposed immediate backpedal? Maybe because (a) it wasn’t true, (b) CIC don’t want to be in the spotlight until any deal is done, or (c) because a CIC connection with LFC doesn’t make much any sense on a few levels (despite some journalists best efforts to fan the flames of hope here).

As the WSJ reported: “Some of what’s been reported in the breathless coverage of the possible deal is simply off the mark. One article [http://gu.com/p/2tzm8/tw] posits that CIC has been raising money for its Liverpool purchase by selling part of its stake in Morgan Stanley…. equating to £351.4mâ€

Utter nonsense! CIC had $18.6 BN in cash at the end of last year, plus another $20.7BN in ‘cash management products’.

As the WSJ continued, CIC “probably has plenty of cash on hand to fund a relatively small deal like the Liverpool one–and if it needed cash, it could certainly raise it in a less high-profile way than selling down its single most prominent holding.â€

Then there’s the very conservative nature of CIC who have always tended to shy away from controversy and negative publicity, which as (again) the WSJ says: “are not things that foreign buyers of English Premier League teams can expect to avoid. It’s far from clear why CIC would want to involve itself in such a potentially dicey endeavor so it can deploy a measly $558 million.â€

And the chirping started immediately - Henry Winter tweeted on Thursday: “Liverpool cannot be owned by the Chinese Government. Or by any government.â€

But let’s get back to Huang. According to Sporting Intelligence []Kenny Huang denies any ‘formal bid’ for Liverpool; plot thickens amid rival claims « Sporting Intelligence “Huang owns a company in Hong Kong, QSL Sports, which describes itself as a “sports investment companyâ€. Its simple website hasn’t been updated in several months, and isn’t working at the time of writing. Adrian Cheng was Huang’s former partner is this enterprise, a vehicle mainly for development of youth sport.â€

Further ‘The Sport Briefing’’– a subsidiary of the UK’s Press Association – along with several other sources, [http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/20...t_9249893.htm] “continue to repeat that Huang owns a 15 per cent stake in the NBA basketball team, the Cleveland Cavaliers. This is simply not true.â€

So what of this supposed deal with the Cavs, because it’s pretty relevant to what Huang is proposing for LFC.

As David Tully wrote on [http://live4liverpool.com/2010/08/vi...epeat-itself?] “To promote ties between China and the Cavaliers further, it was rumoured last year that QSL were to buy a 15% stake in the NBA team. It was hoped that the strengthening of ties between China an the NBA could improve the profile of the sport in the Asian country, and NBA commissioner David Stern believed Huang’s 15% stake would be a “modest step†into worldwide investment for Basketball and a “logical second step†in promoting the sport in China. Marc Ganis at the time, who was not involved in the deal said that Huang’s attempt to buy a stake in the Cavaliers was “creating a platform in sports and entertainment that will include investments in the United States and business activities in China. If this deal is approved, there will be much more attention paid to the Cavaliers in China.†The motivation for the deal at the time was to keep Le Bron James at the Cavaliers to help improve the player’s individual marketability in China.â€

Sound familiar?

Tully: “The deal, like the Cavaliers attempts to keep James however, fell through and no such stake was acquired by QSL, despite the Associated Press stating the deal had been done. In a statement in April, QSL stated that they had not acquired the 15% stake in the Cavaliers and a month later Huang’s partner Adrian Cheng left the company to be replaced by Guang Yang.â€

There have also been some reports that Huang owns a share of the New York Yankees. But as Sporting Intelligence again reported: “This is untrue too. He does not and never has ever owned any share of the Yankees. One of his companies, the vehicle apparently for some of his Sino-US ventures, is the Aspen Infrastructure Investment Corporation, but the telephone number listed for its New York HQ is not in service.â€

Hardly inspiring stuff is it? So what’s Huang all about then? Why is Broughton taking him seriously?

SI: “From talking to people who have worked with Kenny Huang in America, in sport and business, and who know him via Chinese sport, Sporting Intelligence has been told he is a “nice guyâ€, a “deal makerâ€, and “well-connectedâ€. But there is no hard evidence he has substantial funds of his own, and there is skepticism within China that he has a Chinese sovereign wealth fund behind him. The notion that CIC, for example, is backing him is fanciful as can be established by reading the company’s own stated policies. Profit is essential for CIC; and football does not guarantee profit. [8.30pm update, 4 Aug: Huang is, we understand, telling Liverpool that CIC is the sovereign fund behind him but NO interested party in Liverpool has yet to provide proof of funds.]â€

David Tully also commented on SportsCorps association with another NBA team, the Houston Rockets: “Owned by Les Alexander, a business partner of Huang in investment company Rocket Capital, SportCorps helped the Rockets attain a sponsorship deal with leading Chinese Sports manufacturer Anta Sports Group. Alexander was advised by Mark Ganis†who subsequently said to the New York Times: “I wind up being a bridge for those activities there (in China) for people in the U.S. who want be more involved.â€

Hmmmmmm…..

Then there’s the matter of David Bick’s company Square One Consulting which just last week on August 2nd announced: “Square1 Consulting is acting on behalf of Mr Kenny Huang on all media matters in respect of his interest in Liverpool Football Club.â€

PR Week reported: “Bick is one of the leading names in football finance and has considerable experience of foreign takeovers of England’s top clubs. Square 1 also has past involvement in Liverpool itself, having worked on Dubai International Capital’s (DIC) unsuccessful pursuit of the club in 2008 via the agency’s association with Amanda Staveley of PCP Capital Partners who led DIC’s bid. Towards the end of last season Bick even wrote an article on Square 1’s website titled ‘Liverpool FC must act now or face permanent decline.†[]Rescuing Liverpool « Square1 Consulting

And here is where it gets interesting: Bick is also interviewed in the upcoming documentary about Liverpools plight called “The Potemkin League†which staunchly highlights the dire risks (and perils) of attempting to buy football clubs through risky LBO’s.

YouTube - ?The Potemkin league teaser??

Unfortunately for Huang, no more than a few days later, Bick was GONE. Why? Perhaps he came to the determination that what Huang was simply putting together nothing more than an LBO, and walked. Your guess is as good as mine...

Back to David Tully who concluded in his article: “So what can we conclude from all of these business dealings? Huang and Ganis are most likely intermediaries. For who we don’t know, but let’s hope it doesn’t turn out to be a charade like the deal for the Cleveland Cavaliers.â€

HEAR HEAR! And so please let’s hear it for those two magic little words again please Mr Broughton: Due diligence!

If CIC are really behind this deal with their $350Billion, and long term investment approach, then all well and good. I hope they are!

But if they are not, then who the heck is?

Because at the moment, this sniffs to me like just another potential LBO aimed at picking at Hicks and Gilletts financially crippled carcasses. Not that they don’t deserve to get picked to pieces. But WE don’t. Not again. Please!

http://poorscousertommy.blogspot.com....html?spref=tw

let's get it right this time, you only sell your family jewels once twice
 
The Huang bid has covered that base I think. Anyone read Bascombe's article today? The yanks are losing £10 m a month in the refinancing agreement they have in place.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=41235.msg1150376#msg1150376 date=1281257158]
I wouldn't underestimate the part that future job assurances might play for Purslow and Ayres?
[/quote]

isn't that what made parry go for G&H rather than the DIC in the first place?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41235.msg1150382#msg1150382 date=1281257889]
As much as any diehard LFC fan I desperately want to see the club under new ownership. Immediately. But only new ownership which is as responsible as it is ambitious, and with as much integrity as it is sincerely and significantly well enough resourced to compete in the long term.

History is there to learn from. But LFC’s Club Secretary clearly hasn’t when he claimed this week that we’d never played Trabzonspor before… Excuse me…?

When Hicks and Gillett arrived in L4 we were told that they satisfied all of the above forms of safe-hands-criteria by Moores and Parry. Uh uh. They either lied or they were just hoping. Either way, they did not do (enough) due diligence. And we all know what happened next. The club was the subject of a wretched LBO and is consequently currently financially screwed.

As WELL RED reported Well Red - a Liverpool FC blog: New owners at LIVERPOOL FC? Well just Huang on a minute... in an article entitled “New owners at LIVERPOOL FC? Well just Huang on a minute...†published on Friday “George Benson had it right, hindsight gives us 20/20 vision. And if we'd had that benefit, the throng of Liverpool fans that prevented Tom Hicks from entering Anfield the last time we faced Arsenal would have been present in even bigger numbers when, three and a half years ago, he first ventured into the vicinity of the postal district of L4.â€

Now... we’re led to believe Tom and Jerry will be – mercifully - heading back west again very soon, so alls well that ends well. Well sort of. Cue the possible entry of sparkly new owners who all claim to want to revitalize LFC rather like Sheik Mansour has done for Citeh. Great!

And this week there has been rampant speculation that the cavalry is this time coming from – of all places – China… Which I have to say, initially excited me.

But then I did some digging around. Some due diligence if you like. Because I don’t want to see us once again just blindly embracing bold Snoogy-Doogy claims with blind faith - which if we're honest - we did last time round.

As WELL RED further commented: “After the lies, the politics, the broken promises and our unwelcome crash course in accountancy, not to mention of the suffocating blanket of debt that has accompanied the American's time in charge, it's easy to see why many fans will look at prospective owners and say, 'They'll do'. Some fans are poised to unfurl their China flags and declare that Kenny's from heaven. Well just Huang on a minute.â€

And on that note, let’s get on to Kenny Huang!

Back on 24th April the Daily Mirror broke an Exclusive: “Chinese businessman Kenneth Huang has revealed he is in talks to buy Liverpool – and Rafa Benitez is at the heart of his £500million masterplan†[]Chinese bidder says he wants to keep Rafa Benitez as Liverpool boss if he buys the club - Exclusive - News - MirrorFootball.co.uk

Never happened!

Huang then very recently re-emerged supposedly preparing an offer of £450M - of which £300 would pay off the club’s debts and £150M would go to the players and stadium (would be some stadium). But at least none of the cash would go to Tom and Jerry.

So what of Huang? Well, The Wall Street Journal describes him as “an avid self-promoter†and “sports entrepreneur who runs a youth baseball league in China and is starting the country’s second basketball leagueâ€. []Does CIC Really Want to Own Liverpool? - China Real Time Report - WSJ

We were also told this week – presumably by Huang – that he was apparently working in tandem with three other parties:

(1) Guang Yang, a VP of investment bank Franklin Templeton. He and Huang would apparently operate as co-heads of QSL Sports - the vehicle which would supposedly own Liverpool if the bid was successful.

(2) Mark Ganis, an American who owns a Chicago based sports consulting firm called Sportscorp.

And, cue drum roll…

(3) CIC (China Investment Corporation) China’s sovereign wealth fund which has more than $300 BN in assets.

$300BILLION!!!!

Wow! Cue more than a little excitement...

But then as fast as “wow†came “whoa†with Ganis immediately contradicting all this by suggesting that CIC might merely only become a “passive investor†if the consortium is successful in buying the club.

And word on the street was that that a 20% interest might be the biggest stake that CIC might take.

So why the supposed immediate backpedal? Maybe because (a) it wasn’t true, (b) CIC don’t want to be in the spotlight until any deal is done, or (c) because a CIC connection with LFC doesn’t make much any sense on a few levels (despite some journalists best efforts to fan the flames of hope here).

As the WSJ reported: “Some of what’s been reported in the breathless coverage of the possible deal is simply off the mark. One article [http://gu.com/p/2tzm8/tw] posits that CIC has been raising money for its Liverpool purchase by selling part of its stake in Morgan Stanley…. equating to £351.4mâ€

Utter nonsense! CIC had $18.6 BN in cash at the end of last year, plus another $20.7BN in ‘cash management products’.

As the WSJ continued, CIC “probably has plenty of cash on hand to fund a relatively small deal like the Liverpool one–and if it needed cash, it could certainly raise it in a less high-profile way than selling down its single most prominent holding.â€

Then there’s the very conservative nature of CIC who have always tended to shy away from controversy and negative publicity, which as (again) the WSJ says: “are not things that foreign buyers of English Premier League teams can expect to avoid. It’s far from clear why CIC would want to involve itself in such a potentially dicey endeavor so it can deploy a measly $558 million.â€

And the chirping started immediately - Henry Winter tweeted on Thursday: “Liverpool cannot be owned by the Chinese Government. Or by any government.â€

But let’s get back to Huang. According to Sporting Intelligence []Kenny Huang denies any ‘formal bid’ for Liverpool; plot thickens amid rival claims « Sporting Intelligence “Huang owns a company in Hong Kong, QSL Sports, which describes itself as a “sports investment companyâ€. Its simple website hasn’t been updated in several months, and isn’t working at the time of writing. Adrian Cheng was Huang’s former partner is this enterprise, a vehicle mainly for development of youth sport.â€

Further ‘The Sport Briefing’’– a subsidiary of the UK’s Press Association – along with several other sources, [http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/20...t_9249893.htm] “continue to repeat that Huang owns a 15 per cent stake in the NBA basketball team, the Cleveland Cavaliers. This is simply not true.â€

So what of this supposed deal with the Cavs, because it’s pretty relevant to what Huang is proposing for LFC.

As David Tully wrote on [http://live4liverpool.com/2010/08/vi...epeat-itself?] “To promote ties between China and the Cavaliers further, it was rumoured last year that QSL were to buy a 15% stake in the NBA team. It was hoped that the strengthening of ties between China an the NBA could improve the profile of the sport in the Asian country, and NBA commissioner David Stern believed Huang’s 15% stake would be a “modest step†into worldwide investment for Basketball and a “logical second step†in promoting the sport in China. Marc Ganis at the time, who was not involved in the deal said that Huang’s attempt to buy a stake in the Cavaliers was “creating a platform in sports and entertainment that will include investments in the United States and business activities in China. If this deal is approved, there will be much more attention paid to the Cavaliers in China.†The motivation for the deal at the time was to keep Le Bron James at the Cavaliers to help improve the player’s individual marketability in China.â€

Sound familiar?

Tully: “The deal, like the Cavaliers attempts to keep James however, fell through and no such stake was acquired by QSL, despite the Associated Press stating the deal had been done. In a statement in April, QSL stated that they had not acquired the 15% stake in the Cavaliers and a month later Huang’s partner Adrian Cheng left the company to be replaced by Guang Yang.â€

There have also been some reports that Huang owns a share of the New York Yankees. But as Sporting Intelligence again reported: “This is untrue too. He does not and never has ever owned any share of the Yankees. One of his companies, the vehicle apparently for some of his Sino-US ventures, is the Aspen Infrastructure Investment Corporation, but the telephone number listed for its New York HQ is not in service.â€

Hardly inspiring stuff is it? So what’s Huang all about then? Why is Broughton taking him seriously?

SI: “From talking to people who have worked with Kenny Huang in America, in sport and business, and who know him via Chinese sport, Sporting Intelligence has been told he is a “nice guyâ€, a “deal makerâ€, and “well-connectedâ€. But there is no hard evidence he has substantial funds of his own, and there is skepticism within China that he has a Chinese sovereign wealth fund behind him. The notion that CIC, for example, is backing him is fanciful as can be established by reading the company’s own stated policies. Profit is essential for CIC; and football does not guarantee profit. [8.30pm update, 4 Aug: Huang is, we understand, telling Liverpool that CIC is the sovereign fund behind him but NO interested party in Liverpool has yet to provide proof of funds.]â€

David Tully also commented on SportsCorps association with another NBA team, the Houston Rockets: “Owned by Les Alexander, a business partner of Huang in investment company Rocket Capital, SportCorps helped the Rockets attain a sponsorship deal with leading Chinese Sports manufacturer Anta Sports Group. Alexander was advised by Mark Ganis†who subsequently said to the New York Times: “I wind up being a bridge for those activities there (in China) for people in the U.S. who want be more involved.â€

Hmmmmmm…..

Then there’s the matter of David Bick’s company Square One Consulting which just last week on August 2nd announced: “Square1 Consulting is acting on behalf of Mr Kenny Huang on all media matters in respect of his interest in Liverpool Football Club.â€

PR Week reported: “Bick is one of the leading names in football finance and has considerable experience of foreign takeovers of England’s top clubs. Square 1 also has past involvement in Liverpool itself, having worked on Dubai International Capital’s (DIC) unsuccessful pursuit of the club in 2008 via the agency’s association with Amanda Staveley of PCP Capital Partners who led DIC’s bid. Towards the end of last season Bick even wrote an article on Square 1’s website titled ‘Liverpool FC must act now or face permanent decline.†[]Rescuing Liverpool « Square1 Consulting

And here is where it gets interesting: Bick is also interviewed in the upcoming documentary about Liverpools plight called “The Potemkin League†which staunchly highlights the dire risks (and perils) of attempting to buy football clubs through risky LBO’s.

YouTube - ?The Potemkin league teaser??

Unfortunately for Huang, no more than a few days later, Bick was GONE. Why? Perhaps he came to the determination that what Huang was simply putting together nothing more than an LBO, and walked. Your guess is as good as mine...

Back to David Tully who concluded in his article: “So what can we conclude from all of these business dealings? Huang and Ganis are most likely intermediaries. For who we don’t know, but let’s hope it doesn’t turn out to be a charade like the deal for the Cleveland Cavaliers.â€

HEAR HEAR! And so please let’s hear it for those two magic little words again please Mr Broughton: Due diligence!

If CIC are really behind this deal with their $350Billion, and long term investment approach, then all well and good. I hope they are!

But if they are not, then who the heck is?

Because at the moment, this sniffs to me like just another potential LBO aimed at picking at Hicks and Gilletts financially crippled carcasses. Not that they don’t deserve to get picked to pieces. But WE don’t. Not again. Please!

http://poorscousertommy.blogspot.com....html?spref=tw

let's get it right this time, you only sell your family jewels once twice
[/quote]

Good article. Let's hope one of these bids is a good one.
 
Manchester City have the money but Liverpool the class in Fernando Torres
By Rory Smith
Published: 10:00PM BST 07 Aug 2010

The events of two weeks neatly encapsulate the story of the Premier League's 19th summer. First, the second week of July, which saw Manchester City finalising a £24 million deal for David Silva, the lavishly gifted Spanish playmaker as Liverpool considered making an offer for Luke Young, the 31-year-old full-back deemed surplus to requirements at Aston Villa.

That Young, erstwhile of Charlton and, in their darker moments, of England, felt that Liverpool could not pay him enough simply added to the impression that the old empire could not cope in the face of the new world order. This would be the summer, it seemed, when City were confirmed as the coming men, and Liverpool condemned as the faded force.

Vulgar though it may be, it all came down to money. Not greed, as is so lazily assumed, but access to funds. Silva's involvement, indeed, is apt: a year ago, he would have moved to Anfield, but Valencia, his previous employers, tried to prompt an auction Rafael Benítez could not afford to enter.

There were no such worries for City, of course; £24 million is just a quarter of their summer spending so far. Where Valencia proved truculent, hoping to elicit more money from Liverpool, a year ago, City simply blew all others out of the water. The two sides' relative places in the firmament were set.

Or they were, at least, until Sunday night. That was when the summer's narrative changed, as news first broke of Kenny Huang's interest in buying Liverpool.

It was followed by a miasma of information so contradictory that it is impossible to say what the outcome will be, but one thing all parties seem to agree on is that this, after three long, debt-ridden years, after seeing around £170 million paid to the Royal Bank of Scotland for the privilege of having Tom Hicks and George Gillett as owners, is the endgame.

Whoever Huang's backers are - the China Investment Corporation, Franklin Templeton, Dr Yang Guang, Marc Ganis, QSL - he is considered a serious contender to buy the club by Martin Broughton, the chairman, Barclays Capital, the bank appointed to run the sale, and RBS, the principal creditors. They have submitted an outline proposal, and a formal offer is expected to follow.

They may be joined in the bidding process by Yahya Kirdi, the Syrian-Canadian businessman apparently funded by money from Sharjah, one of the lesser Emirates. Rhone Group, the New York private equity firm, retain an interest. The Kuwaiti al-Kharafi family, too, are thought to have contacted Barcap.

Privately, sources acquainted with the deal admit it is hard to see Hicks and Gillett clinging on from here. They are due to refinance in October, and they will be asked to pay down a substantial portion of the debt. That seems beyond their means. The penury that forced Benítez to pull out of a deal for Silva, that allowed City their showpiece signing a year later, may soon be at an end.

And so to the second week which defined the summer. In the first few days of August, as City haggled with Aston Villa over whether James Milner, an essentially unproven midfielder, was worth £24 million or £30 million, Fernando Torres, the world's finest striker, pledged his continuing allegiance to Liverpool.

Cue rejoicing in the streets. If City capture Milner, as they seem set to in the next 48 hours, they would take their summer spending to £100 million for the second season running. Mario Balotelli's arrival would take that to £125 million. More may follow. Yet the impression remains that, despite spending just £3.9 million, and for all Joe Cole is a fine player, in Torres Liverpool have made the signing of the summer.

Here, too, is an illustration of the relative positions of each club. City have enjoyed a productive summer in the transfer market. Silva is the jewel in the crown, but Yaya Toure, Aleksandar Kolarov and Jerome Boateng are all intelligent additions. Milner and Balotelli, too, would contribute to making Mancini's squad the strongest in the league.

But none are players of the calibre of Torres or Steven Gerrard, another Liverpool loyalist whose devotion has been secured this summer. City have spent a huge sum under Arab ownership because of their relative position when Sheikh Mansour arrived: they needed to sign good Premier League players, and are now upgrading to Champions League versions.

That their progress has been incremental was both the correct approach and the only one. They will not, though, acquire a superstar until they are in the Champions League, possibly on a regular basis. Liverpool already have the loyalty of two, plus an array of respected internationals. Should they possess money, they would not need to spend it in the volumes that City have.

That Roy Hodgson last week alluded to his disinterest in a spree when asked who he would buy with a blank cheque and a blank canvas - as City have enjoyed - will come as a relief to those on the Kop, for all their weariness of American-induced poverty. It is most unbecoming of aristocrats to behave like arrivistes.

Mimicking City is simply not required, not least because Liverpool do not need a step-by-step approach. With money, they could aim straight for the stratosphere, if they so desired.

Perhaps, then, the week that posterity will judge the most pivotal is yet to arrive. It is the week Liverpool finally throw off their Yankee oppressors, the week that may define not just this summer or this season, but the old empire's future, and the new order's fate.
 
Perhaps the winning bid will be the one we didn't hear about, however it is very worrying for me that all of the bids have an air of hucksterism to them.
 
This whole bidding process reminds me of Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. Let's hope the rotten ones all get sucked down tubes and we're left with heroic Charlie.
 
where the fuck is DIC. They made a bid in 2008, and were apparently big Liverpool supporters. They offered 500mil for our club and now the club is going for cheaper and they arent even in the picture. FUCK!
 
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DIC had something of a financial calamity.
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?? details
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150431#msg1150431 date=1281270282]
Google Dubai and financial crisis
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Done. So then either way if we were bought by DIC instead of the joke american cunts we'd still be in the shits at the moment
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150431#msg1150431 date=1281270282]
Google Dubai and financial crisis
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Done. So then either way if we were bought by DIC instead of the joke american cunts we'd still be in the shits at the moment
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Wow!

Dude, do you live in a cave?
 
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[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=41235.msg1150433#msg1150433 date=1281270479]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1150431#msg1150431 date=1281270282]
Google Dubai and financial crisis
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Done. So then either way if we were bought by DIC instead of the joke american cunts we'd still be in the shits at the moment
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Wow!

Dude, do you live in a cave?
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yeah in zimbabwe.. how did you know?
 
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The owners can't block a sale. [/quote]

you're speculating, you don't know that for a fact.
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No, I know it as a FACT.

Quizzed on the part owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks were playing, Broughton said: "The owners can't block the sale of the club. I read all too frequently numbers being floated about in the media, normally associated with Tom Hicks's name. I would like to make it clear there is no number. There is no base line.

"This is a willing buyer, willing seller auction. We will do a deal with what we consider to be the best bidder. The best bidder may not be the highest bidder. It's about more than just money. It's about stadium development, the team and the whole piece.

"Once we've been through the process, the best bidder gets it."

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You're saying the owners can't block "a sale". Broughton says they can't block "the sale". This might appear to be splitting hairs to some, but they aren't really the same thing are they ?


The only facts are as below:

We know that because of the situation with RBS the Americans have to sell the club.

We know that the directors will have to pick a bid to put to the shareholders, at which point the shareholders are given a vote on whether to sell or not to that bidder.

We know that the directors are legally obliged to act in the best interests of the shareholders.

We know that if the directors don't act in the best interests of the shareholders that the shareholders can obtain an injunction restraining a sale, or they can seek rescission of a sale already completed.


My opinion of things hasn't changed recently, but for the sake of completeness here it is :
It seems pretty obvious what's going to happen here, the board won't try to force Hicks and Gillett to rubber stamp a deal that they aren't happy with. Therefore we won't see Huang's bid succeed unless it is the best one for them, so far it sounds like it isn't the best one for them. Someone else will succeed, and they'll become the new figure of hate for the SOS angry mob that didn't get the Chinese government ownership and unlimited wealth they wanted (despite it not really existing).
 
And I think you're wrong. I think the board will go for the best bid, which is what Broughton has said all along.
Gillett is almost bankrupt, as is Hicks. RBS can take the club from them in 2 months time, they have no say in the end imho. That is why they are sweating blood at the moment, they can't do anything.

The reason RBS gave them an extension this time was soley based on getting the club sold, and getting Broughton on board with a casting vote was to end the stalmate between the two parties. If what you're saying is correct, Broughton wouldn't be needed in the first place.

But enough. I've had it with this thread for a while. Let's hope it's resolved shortly so that we can argue about football instead.
 
Ros, That is a damn good summary of the situation.

Some on this board see the idea that Huang does not want to make a bid that lets the Americans have a profitable exit as a virtue. It is not. It panders to the fans ideal, because of the hatred for Statler and Waldorf. Huang panders to it because it is self serving.

But Huang has to value the club as per the current market valuation. If he is the messiah, then he has to pay for the club. If he is unable to or unwilling to, then he really isn't the messiah is he?

The Huang deal gives me the heebie jeebies. It feels more and more like H&G take over part two.
 
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